If he is really healthy...... (1 Viewer)

[Brewtown]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow.

Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats.

*The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year).

*You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.

*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.

*He has to be very motivated.

*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.

Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).

He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

 

[Wingnut]

Plus, hes a f'n soldier!!!!!!!

 

[KCC]

 

[BGP]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game. Droughns should be targetted. Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds. And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

 

[Godsbrother]

I am staying away from all Browns players. The team has had bad karma ever since they beat the Baltimore Colts in 1964's NFL Championship Game on a couple of controversial calls and didn't apologize.

 

[wadegarrett]

If you ever want to win your league, never draft anyone on the Browns. Ever.

 

[Jon_Moore]

This is one of those threads you bring back at the end of the year if he does well, and hope everyone forgets if he sucks....

I'm as high on the guy as anyone, and projected he'd have stats comparable to what Heap and Crumpler did this past year. I'd put him around 8-10.

 

[BGP]

If you ever want to win your league, never draft anyone on the Browns. Ever.

Its definitely changed. The improvements to the OL this offseason have been pretty dramatic. They are gonna be able to blow open holes to run through now. This is easily the best offensive line I have ever seen the Browns have. The Browns in 2006:+ Strong (maybe not dominant, but strong) running game.

+ Good defense.

+ Limited passing game, Frye eased into his role.

My focus wouldn't be on Winslow here.

 

[zamboni]

I'm targeting Joe J as a big value play this year.

 

[MLBrandow]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game. Droughns should be targetted. Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds. And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

With Suggs actually healthy, Droughns isn't even a lock to be the starter. I'd throw a late-round flier on Suggs, not Green. He'll be that 15th round guy that mysteriously rushes for 1000 yards.

 

[BGP]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game.  Droughns should be targetted.  Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds.  And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

With Suggs actually healthy, Droughns isn't even a lock to be the starter. I'd throw a late-round flier on Suggs, not Green. He'll be that 15th round guy that mysteriously rushes for 1000 yards.

Could be. I'm not a fan of Suggs injury history. My point is you are drafting the Browns new OL. You are trying to find the RB that gets to run behind it. There's a lotta upside here.

 

[The Jerk]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game.  Droughns should be targetted.  Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds.  And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

With Suggs actually healthy, Droughns isn't even a lock to be the starter. I'd throw a late-round flier on Suggs, not Green. He'll be that 15th round guy that mysteriously rushes for 1000 yards.

Could be. I'm not a fan of Suggs injury history. My point is you are drafting the Browns new OL. You are trying to find the RB that gets to run behind it. There's a lotta upside here.

The Browns in general appear to be headed in the right direction, with the improvements made to their offensive line representing one aspect. However, be careful in 2006 with Browns skill players. The OL, while improved, is probably only average (ranked 16th in Fantasy Index mag). Plus, continuity is a big part of OL play, so even though the free agent signings represent a significant upgrade in talent, it might be awhile before the OL integrates and fully asserts itself. Couple that with two top receivers recovering from injury, a still-green QB and the 8th most difficult SoS for RB (courtesy of Clayton Gray), and you just might want to temper your enthusiasm here. 2007 might be a different story, but you cannot just ignore the factors listed above in terms of 2006 expectations.

 

[Buckna]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game.  Droughns should be targetted.  Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds.  And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

With Suggs actually healthy, Droughns isn't even a lock to be the starter. I'd throw a late-round flier on Suggs, not Green. He'll be that 15th round guy that mysteriously rushes for 1000 yards.

Could be. I'm not a fan of Suggs injury history. My point is you are drafting the Browns new OL. You are trying to find the RB that gets to run behind it. There's a lotta upside here.

I'm high on the Browns as well, but I still think they are a year or two away. They are definitely a team on the rise though. Droughns just signed an extension and I feel his off the field problems while important, aren't distracting enough to negatively hurt his performance or the faith the coaching staff has in him. He'll be the man in Cleveland for at least the next 2 seasons.If Winslow is healthy and comes back with most of the talent that made the Browns trade up to get him, I think he's a nice value play this year as a late round TE. Lots of yardage and receptions, but I don't see the Browns scoring a lot of TD's this year, so the pie to divy up his share from will be small.

 

[BGP]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game.  Droughns should be targetted.  Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds.  And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

With Suggs actually healthy, Droughns isn't even a lock to be the starter. I'd throw a late-round flier on Suggs, not Green. He'll be that 15th round guy that mysteriously rushes for 1000 yards.

Could be. I'm not a fan of Suggs injury history. My point is you are drafting the Browns new OL. You are trying to find the RB that gets to run behind it. There's a lotta upside here.

The Browns in general appear to be headed in the right direction, with the improvements made to their offensive line representing one aspect. However, be careful in 2006 with Browns skill players. The OL, while improved, is probably only average (ranked 16th in Fantasy Index mag). Plus, continuity is a big part of OL play, so even though the free agent signings represent a significant upgrade in talent, it might be awhile before the OL integrates and fully asserts itself. Couple that with two top receivers recovering from injury, a still-green QB and the 8th most difficult SoS for RB (courtesy of Clayton Gray), and you just might want to temper your enthusiasm here. 2007 might be a different story, but you cannot just ignore the factors listed above in terms of 2006 expectations.

Yeah that pretty much is not in disagreement with what I said. A 16th ranking overall is probably fair. This is an OL that will be very strong in the running game but has questions marks in pass-blocking. I believe analysts put way too much emphasis on SoS and continuity, however. 8th most difficult SoS for RB? Personnel change so much in today's NFL that I just don't think that tells me anything. I know in my practical expreience of being a fantasy GM, when I weighing my options and thinking of starting one RB over another, I look at their opponents that week and see how that defense has performed over the past 3-4 games at most. What happened week 1 in 2005 hsould not have a bearing on my decision.

 

[The Jerk]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

The value on the Browns' offense in 2006 is NOT in the passing game - its in the running game.  Droughns should be targetted.  Also I would recommend targetting his backup - William Green - somewhere in the late rounds.  And keep an eye on the running game as a whole, the main backup may change as the year progresses.

With Suggs actually healthy, Droughns isn't even a lock to be the starter. I'd throw a late-round flier on Suggs, not Green. He'll be that 15th round guy that mysteriously rushes for 1000 yards.

Could be. I'm not a fan of Suggs injury history. My point is you are drafting the Browns new OL. You are trying to find the RB that gets to run behind it. There's a lotta upside here.

The Browns in general appear to be headed in the right direction, with the improvements made to their offensive line representing one aspect. However, be careful in 2006 with Browns skill players. The OL, while improved, is probably only average (ranked 16th in Fantasy Index mag). Plus, continuity is a big part of OL play, so even though the free agent signings represent a significant upgrade in talent, it might be awhile before the OL integrates and fully asserts itself. Couple that with two top receivers recovering from injury, a still-green QB and the 8th most difficult SoS for RB (courtesy of Clayton Gray), and you just might want to temper your enthusiasm here. 2007 might be a different story, but you cannot just ignore the factors listed above in terms of 2006 expectations.

Yeah that pretty much is not in disagreement with what I said. A 16th ranking overall is probably fair. This is an OL that will be very strong in the running game but has questions marks in pass-blocking. I believe analysts put way too much emphasis on SoS and continuity, however. 8th most difficult SoS for RB? Personnel change so much in today's NFL that I just don't think that tells me anything.

I've heard many players themselves comment on the importance of continuity specifically to the offensive line. In a very real sense, five players (or six if you count a TE) need to function as one body. You might be right that it's overrated, but that doesn't mean it is not a factor. I agree with you on SoS, especially in the preseason, but again I'd rather have a RB with the easier schedule. After Week 9, then the SoS numbers have much greater legitimacy.

 

[Marc Levin]

So you don't get Gates this year.  Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. 

Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. 

*The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). 

*You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.

*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.

*He has to be very motivated.

*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.

Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).

He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates.  Otherwise just wait on TE.  There are sooooooooo many average TE!

I do not believe there is enough analysis here to warrant a top-3 ranking for a player who has yet to put up an NFL statistic (i'm sorry - he has 5 catches for 50 yards in 2 games in 2004).Tony Gonzales, Antonio Gates, Todd Heap, and Jeremy Shockey not only have proven 1G/8 TD ability - they are LIKELY to be shooting for those goals this year.

It is definitely not "likely" by any stretch that Cleveland will produce even ONE 1G receiver, let alone an inexperienced TE.

If this was

then you got me - either way, I'd like to see some more meaningful analysis before making a statement like was made here.

 

[BGP]

I will say I just looked at the FBG staff rankings and Droughns is very underrated. Great value.

 

[Marc Levin]

I will say I just looked at the FBG staff rankings and Droughns is very underrated.  Great value.

Complete and total agreement - problem is, while I think he might outshine some of the backs ahead of him on my rankings, it is hard to see enough UPSIDE to Droughns to warrant ranking him above the other guys.He will make a fine (and steady) RB2 for your squad - and an optimal pairing with a top-notch RB - or the epitomal flex RB if you draft near the bottom of the first and are bable to snag him in the 3rd/4th turn

 

[Mungo Burrows]

If you ever want to win your league, never draft anyone on the Browns. Ever.

Its definitely changed. The improvements to the OL this offseason have been pretty dramatic. They are gonna be able to blow open holes to run through now. This is easily the best offensive line I have ever seen the Browns have. The Browns in 2006:+ Strong (maybe not dominant, but strong) running game.

+ Good defense.

+ Limited passing game, Frye eased into his role.

My focus wouldn't be on Winslow here.

So the upside for Phil Savage's new team look a lot like his old team. Welcome to the new Ravens, i.e., maybe a tier 2 TE, a WR3, and a RB2. Fantasy :X

 

[Marc Levin]

If you ever want to win your league, never draft anyone on the Browns.  Ever.

Its definitely changed. The improvements to the OL this offseason have been pretty dramatic. They are gonna be able to blow open holes to run through now. This is easily the best offensive line I have ever seen the Browns have. The Browns in 2006:+ Strong (maybe not dominant, but strong) running game.

+ Good defense.

+ Limited passing game, Frye eased into his role.

My focus wouldn't be on Winslow here.

So the upside for Phil Savage's new team look a lot like his old team. Welcome to the new Ravens, i.e., maybe a tier 2 TE, a WR3, and a RB2. Fantasy :X

Hmmm - those of us who play fantasy a lot look for these players regardless of what team they may be on.and Charlie Frye is valuable in 2-QB starter and dynasty leagues. Braylon Edwards looked fabulous before he was injured - he may have a strong second half of the year.

In short, blanket statements about any team are misplaced - bias and smart fantasy drafting don't mix.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

If you ever want to win your league, never draft anyone on the Browns. Ever.

Its definitely changed. The improvements to the OL this offseason have been pretty dramatic. They are gonna be able to blow open holes to run through now. This is easily the best offensive line I have ever seen the Browns have. The Browns in 2006:+ Strong (maybe not dominant, but strong) running game.

+ Good defense.

+ Limited passing game, Frye eased into his role.

My focus wouldn't be on Winslow here.

So the upside for Phil Savage's new team look a lot like his old team. Welcome to the new Ravens, i.e., maybe a tier 2 TE, a WR3, and a RB2. Fantasy :X

Hmmm - those of us who play fantasy a lot look for these players regardless of what team they may be on.and Charlie Frye is valuable in 2-QB starter and dynasty leagues. Braylon Edwards looked fabulous before he was injured - he may have a strong second half of the year.

In short, blanket statements about any team are misplaced - bias and smart fantasy drafting don't mix.

I'm not saying they don't have individual value. Every player has his place. I just noticed the similarity between the two situations based on BGP's description of their strengths and it occurred to me that it may be wise to temper thoughts of having "The #1 guy for a team" when the team itself is looking to be very conservative overall. Part of the evaluation of any individual has to be how many opportunities that offense is going to give him to succeed.Edit to add:

- Guys like Todd heap and Jamal Lewis have had years where they were very valuable if gotten at the right price. That doesn't mean the Ravens weren't an overall fantasy :X as well during those years.

- ANY starting QB has a lot of value in start-2 QB leagues (I can't believe you used that!)

- Edwards has certainly showed promise and has potential, but his injury probably puts him a year away from making a big impact, especially with Frye still learning the ropes.

 

[Bankerguy]

This is one those cases where people project what they want to see, not what is likely to happen. Predicting a top 3 performance from KW is foolish.

If it happens...good stuff. However banking on it is a quick way to lose your FF entry fee in a hurry.

 

[Marc Levin]

- ANY starting QB has a lot of value in start-2 QB leagues (I can't believe you used that!)

I also said "dynasty" leagues.

 

[walkmac]

I'm not looking to hijack or spark a political debate, but I really despite athletes who invoke god in explaining difficult situations caused by inappropriate personal choices. KW2 recently stated as follows in an interview concerning the accident:

Emotionally, there were a lot of long nights. I can't even really explain it. It was a hard time when my teammates were out there playing a game and I was at home with my leg up. But God put me in this place for a reason, because it wasn't my time yet.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...coming-te_x.htm

Unless god forced him to buy a bike that he had never ridden and was to powerful for a beginner and then further forced him to pop wheelies in a parking lot, responsibility is with KW2.

I thought personal responsibility was a big thing for soliders?

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm not looking to hijack or spark a political debate, but I really despite athletes who invoke god in explaining difficult situations caused by inappropriate personal choices. KW2 recently stated as follows in an interview concerning the accident:

Emotionally, there were a lot of long nights. I can't even really explain it. It was a hard time when my teammates were out there playing a game and I was at home with my leg up. But God put me in this place for a reason, because it wasn't my time yet.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...coming-te_x.htm

Unless god forced him to buy a bike that he had never ridden and was to powerful for a beginner and then further forced him to pop wheelies in a parking lot, responsibility is with KW2.

I thought personal responsibility was a big thing for soliders?

Nice - I have always seen KWII as one more spoiled athlete who is ready to blame the rest of the world when things go wrong rather than looking at his own two hands.

And I am a big UM fan. I also believe that (genarally) the UM players come out ready to handle the responsibility of being a pro athlete - KWII seems like he reserved some of his "growing up" for the NFL.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

Let's just hope the Browns have leaned a lesson and will keep KW2 off the damn specialty teams this year. He should be top 10 TE but top 2 is saying a lot. Browns will be a run first team especially if there defense can keep opponets out of end zone!

 

[redman]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

Any line that adds Winslow at the end spot constitutes "retooled".

 

[Marc Levin]

The Browns retooled OL will be a very good run-blocking unit.

Any line that adds Winslow at the end spot constitutes "retooled".

Or "tooled up"

 

[Brewtown]

Teammates seem to think he is looking good?

"... I've never seen anything like him. He is in the same mold as (Antonio) Gates and (Tony) Gonzalez, and eventually, he can be better." Center LeCharles Bentley commenting on Kellen Winslow Jr.

Browns quarterback Charlie Frye: "He's basically running every route, cutting, going deep, whatever. He's one of the fastest guys on the team."

Receiver Braylon Edwards said, "K2 (Winslow) is ready... I'm telling you, K2 is going to have a big year ..."

 

[KCC]

Teammates seem to think he is looking good?

"... I've never seen anything like him. He is in the same mold as (Antonio) Gates and (Tony) Gonzalez, and eventually, he can be better." Center LeCharles Bentley commenting on Kellen Winslow Jr.

Browns quarterback Charlie Frye: "He's basically running every route, cutting, going deep, whatever. He's one of the fastest guys on the team."

Receiver Braylon Edwards said, "K2 (Winslow) is ready... I'm telling you, K2 is going to have a big year ..."

If I adjusted all my numbers based on positive comments from teammates this early in the summer, every player's projections would increase. The rankings would still be in the same order, however, and Winslow would be nowhere near the #2 TE position. (FWIW, I do admire the guts it takes to post a bold prediction like this. )

 

[Brewtown]

Don't say that you were not warned!

 

[Brewtown]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. *The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). *You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.*He has to be very motivated.*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

Don't say that you were not warned!

 

[Bristol]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. *The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). *You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.*He has to be very motivated.*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

Don't say that you were not warned!

It's one game. Please revisit in another 3 to 4 before you stick out your chest.

 

[Kleck.]

It's a great start and I was pleased to finally get some payoff for the first rounder I spent on him 2 years ago.

 

[Borat]

I looked past the Ben Watson hype and grabbed this guy instead, a few rounds later. So far, so good.

 

[Statorama]

He's going to have great games against teams that think an LB can cover him. He's A LOT faster than I thought.

 

[TheFanatic]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. *The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). *You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.*He has to be very motivated.*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

Don't say that you were not warned!

It's one game. Please revisit in another 3 to 4 before you stick out your chest.

I grabbed this guy in the initial draft of a dynasty league this last summer and am giddy he went off, but I want to wait more than a week before he gets the start over Crumpler. I see the potential and the youth but I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket. Got ole reliable in Alge. Wait a few weeks before you bump your own thread again. It;s bad form....

 

[thayman]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. *The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). *You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.*He has to be very motivated.*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

Don't say that you were not warned!

It's one game. Please revisit in another 3 to 4 before you stick out your chest.

I grabbed this guy in the initial draft of a dynasty league this last summer and am giddy he went off, but I want to wait more than a week before he gets the start over Crumpler. I see the potential and the youth but I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket. Got ole reliable in Alge. Wait a few weeks before you bump your own thread again. It;s bad form....

 

[Raging Alpaca]

I grabbed him to back up Shockey, and given Shockey's injury history (and the way he was already hobbling around yesterday), I get the sense he'll be in my lineup at some point this year.

 

[TheFanatic]

I grabbed him to back up Shockey, and given Shockey's injury history (and the way he was already hobbling around yesterday), I get the sense he'll be in my lineup at some point this year.

And this is a good plan. Grab a reliable guy and roll the dice on the guy with the huge upside. If it doesn't work out you have the reliable guy

 

[zoos]

i grabbed winslow to back up troupe and uh...i think i am going to drop troupe today.

i wanted winslow to show me something and he did.

i am not expecting him to be gates, but i saw that frye will look his way and that he has the ability to make plays and that he will be a part of the offensive game plan.

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I grabbed him to back up Shockey, and given Shockey's injury history (and the way he was already hobbling around yesterday), I get the sense he'll be in my lineup at some point this year.

I intended to go that direction....but TEs fell early and often in my redraft this year. I refused to bite. Long about round 10 Randy McMichael and LJ Smith were on their way back to me nicely, but both got narc'd just a few picks before I got a shot at them. I punted TE for another round and nabbed KWII(and was the last team to take a starting TE. One of my less savvy leaguemates had taken 2 by then). I had pretty much zero confidence at that point I'd be getting much of anything from him.After this pre-season and game one, I feel a bit better about it. If nothing else, Frye seems to look his direction a bunch. Having no real OL doesn't hurt either. Should be many quick drops then dumps to the TE or RBs in that offense. I don't expect top 5 #s or anything, but if he can be top 9 then I really made out. I didn't check on it yet, but does anyone know how many total targets did he have yesterday?I'll be holding my breath on him most of the year, I'd assume, expecting some other freak injury though.

 

[Brewtown]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. *The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). *You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.*He has to be very motivated.*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

Learn to take my advice!

 

[jurb26]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow. Clevelend is an ideal setup for great TE stats. *The WRs will start out the season weak without Braylon (he may not be 100% all year). *You would think the coaching staff and GM would want to really find out what they have in Winslow.*Apparently Charlie Frye and he have been inseparable.*He has to be very motivated.*He has been humbled and has had some time to think, grow and study the playbook.Lets not forget the bloodlines, the talent, the contract (he has to work to acheive performance bonuses).He is the ONLY TE I would reach for if I don't get Gates. Otherwise just wait on TE. There are sooooooooo many average TE!

Learn to take my advice!

I did one better and took my own and grabbed Heap.

 

[Wingnut]

So you don't get Gates this year. Your Plan B should be to grab Winslow.Lets not forget the bloodlines

Does he have AKC papers?

 

[renesauz]

OK...somebody top this....I took him VERY late in the draft (about the 14th) to back up Gates. I traded Gates straight up for Reggie Wayne a couple of weeks ago. I figured that Winslow might actually end a top five TE, and adding Wayne might give me a second top five or ten wr.

 

[pinequick]

OK...somebody top this....I took him VERY late in the draft (about the 14th) to back up Gates. I traded Gates straight up for Reggie Wayne a couple of weeks ago. I figured that Winslow might actually end a top five TE, and adding Wayne might give me a second top five or ten wr.

"Well, this one time in band camp. . ."

 

[slinky]

OK...somebody top this....I took him VERY late in the draft (about the 14th) to back up Gates. I traded Gates straight up for Reggie Wayne a couple of weeks ago. I figured that Winslow might actually end a top five TE, and adding Wayne might give me a second top five or ten wr.

"Well, this one time in band camp. . ."

 

[bigupsetter]

kw2 was the last te taken in my league, by me. cant argue with the value (31 or #2 te in all the land), but that creaky knee is worrisome