If Marion Barber has a good week... (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I already traded Barber this week for Matt Ryan and Jason Witten, but I probably should have waited until he produced again. In any case, I think it is wise to get rid of Barber ASAP, especially if he has a strong week, which he very well might with Romo back. My logic for this is very simple: all you have to do is look at weeks 14-16, which is vital for most people:

Steelers

Giants

Ravens

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I already traded Barber this week for Matt Ryan and Jason Witten, but I probably should have waited until he produced again. In any case, I think it is wise to get rid of Barber ASAP, especially if he has a strong week, which he very well might with Romo back. My logic for this is very simple: all you have to do is look at weeks 14-16, which is vital for most people:SteelersGiantsRavensWhat this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

In other news, trade for Tony Romo. He is coming back from his injury this week.

 

[poo flingin monkey]

Trade him - only for AP

 

[Interseptopus]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

 

[Don't Noonan]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

I seem to recall MJD's schedule looking pretty good except for this week.

 

[Biabreakable]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

So you didn't look at the schedule before?If you say the same thing in a different way a couple more times maybe you can convince yourself.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Trade him - only for AP

Which is exactly what I did

 

[Interseptopus]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

So you didn't look at the schedule before?If you say the same thing in a different way a couple more times maybe you can convince yourself.

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

 

[fatness]

Barber has not done well against the Redskins, so if your plan is to trade him when he has a good week then this may not be the week.

 

[Interseptopus]

I seem to recall MJD's schedule looking pretty good except for this week.

GB is the only real decent match up for him. IND looks better against the run with Sanders back. And GB is coming around a little better... (homer coming through)Like I said, I don't put much weight on SOS. I got rid of 2 guys who are very inconsistant for someone who is very consistant with his QB healthy. Hopefully it'll pay off. I had the depth to do it. CJ3/MJD don't do me any good with one of them on my bench every week, and I'm pretty certain Barber will out-perform each of them the rest of the way

 

[Burning Sensation]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

So you didn't look at the schedule before?If you say the same thing in a different way a couple more times maybe you can convince yourself.

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

You dont put much stock in SOS, but you traded MJD because his was difficult? Your arguments for Barber also apply to MJD(Goalline touches and receving threat). I prefer MJD over Barber from here on out, throw in CJ, and you took a beating on this trade.

 

[timschochet]

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

Sure. And for your sake, I hope you're right. I've already traded him, so I've got no beef and wish him well. But I don't think SOS is overplayed for a running back. The Steelers and the Ravens simply do not allow anyone to run on them, and the Giants are pretty tough as well. You're going to have to rely on him catching the balls and getting at least one TD to go into double digits in those games. While he very well might, that's not something I want to gamble on in the FF playoffs. I could easily see him in those games in the first half getting 8 carries for 10 yards, etc, and the Cowboys will go away from the running game altogether. I just didn't want to take that chance.

 

[teamroc]

I already traded Barber this week for Matt Ryan and Jason Witten, but I probably should have waited until he produced again. In any case, I think it is wise to get rid of Barber ASAP, especially if he has a strong week, which he very well might with Romo back. My logic for this is very simple: all you have to do is look at weeks 14-16, which is vital for most people:SteelersGiantsRavensWhat this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

I pretty much completely disagree.Romo, TO, Roy, Witten, Barber, Felix.Are you kidding me? That's probably the most powerful offense in the league. You really think they'll be shutdown when Romo is back?Romo has put up big numbers on almost everyone. And the offense moving means easy TDs for Barber. If the guy is a "shark" I'd suggest buying Barber low.

 

[Interseptopus]

SteelersGiantsRavens

Funny thing is, if you look at who those guys have all played, NYG is possibly the only team that has played legitimate RBs this season warranting them a top defense against the run. Baltimore has played maybe 2 teams with good rushing attacks and PIT maybe 3 or 4...

 

[Interseptopus]

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

Sure. And for your sake, I hope you're right. I've already traded him, so I've got no beef and wish him well. But I don't think SOS is overplayed for a running back. The Steelers and the Ravens simply do not allow anyone to run on them, and the Giants are pretty tough as well. You're going to have to rely on him catching the balls and getting at least one TD to go into double digits in those games. While he very well might, that's not something I want to gamble on in the FF playoffs. I could easily see him in those games in the first half getting 8 carries for 10 yards, etc, and the Cowboys will go away from the running game altogether. I just didn't want to take that chance.

Baltimore...Not to hard to keep Chris Perry, Jamal Lewis, Rashard Mendenhall, D. Rhodes, R. Brown (pre-wildcat-formation), Justin Fargas, Ryan Moats/Ahman Green at bay...

Steelers...

not much better. They've made more of a case, but even so they havne't played many great RBs this season... Buckhalter? Fred Taylor?

People forget that SOS goes both ways. A team may be ranked #1 against the rush, but has the easiest SOS against the rush...

Neither of these teams have faced a player with Barber's talent, nor an offense as potent as the Cowboys. It'll be real fun to watch!

 

[sparkky]

I agree his schedule is tough so I picked up Westy to go with Gore and MB. I can kind of play match ups now. it is TOUGH to leave one of them on the bench ANY week tho.

 

[Biabreakable]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

So you didn't look at the schedule before?If you say the same thing in a different way a couple more times maybe you can convince yourself.

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

Sure.Just so you know. Through 10 weeks of play the defenses that have allowed the fewest average points to RBs are:

Ravens

Giants - Barbers last game against them 19 carries 54 yards 1 catch -12 yards. Total 42 yards. I don't think that is RB2 level in most leagues.

Steelers

Redskins - 8 carries 26 yards 2 catches 11 yards. Total 37 yards. I don't think that is RB2 level in most leagues.

Bucs - Barber did pretty decent against them 25 carries 71 yards 6 catches 29 yards. Total 100 yards. Not bad probably RB2 level.

Good Luck.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Wouldn't a good game today provide reassurance to roll with this guy? Washington is ranked right up there with those defenses that Barber faces down the stretch. A good game today let's you know that Barber is a player who rises above on-paper matchups.

 

[Interseptopus]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

So you didn't look at the schedule before?If you say the same thing in a different way a couple more times maybe you can convince yourself.

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

Sure.Just so you know. Through 10 weeks of play the defenses that have allowed the fewest average points to RBs are:

Ravens

Giants - Barbers last game against them 19 carries 54 yards 1 catch -12 yards. Total 42 yards. I don't think that is RB2 level in most leagues.

Steelers

Redskins - 8 carries 26 yards 2 catches 11 yards. Total 37 yards. I don't think that is RB2 level in most leagues.

Bucs - Barber did pretty decent against them 25 carries 71 yards 6 catches 29 yards. Total 100 yards. Not bad probably RB2 level.

Good Luck.

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

Those Ravens are doing so good aganist the rush this far against a team that has a decent rushing attack...http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2968...=tab_gamecenter

Wouldn't a good game today provide reassurance to roll with this guy? Washington is ranked right up there with those defenses that Barber faces down the stretch. A good game today let's you know that Barber is a player who rises above on-paper matchups.

 

[Burning Sensation]

What this says to me is that, just when you need Barber the most, he's unlikely to perform up to RB1 standards, much less elite standard. Seems like the Shark Move is to trade him now, when there is great value. Anybody agree with this?

Could he perform to RB2 standards? With a healthy Bush that's all I'll need...I just traded for him. CJ3 and MJD... MJD's schedule is brutal and CJ3 is so up and down I need someone more consistant.

I highly disagree with the OP. Barber does have tough running match ups, but we forget that he is very effective in the passing game. In a PPR league Barber will still post RB1 numbers.

- He's effective in the passing game, 4-5 receptions a game with potential to have 8+

- He's got no one to steal goal line carries, thus he'll get TDs

- With Felix Jones coming back it will keep defenses from getting comfortable, setting up Barber to be more effective (With Felix he's averaging 4.0 ypc with 3 TDs in 5 games, without he's averaging 3.5 ypc with 1 TD in 4 games)

- With Tony Romo back that should open up the passing game, and make things a little easier to run (only 1 TD without Romo)

Sure he won't post crazy ridiculous numbers, but he'll be a very solid option from here on out. It's not like he's not going to break double digits in the playoffs... he'll have tough matchups but he'll be solid regardless. He's a RB you can count on every week because he doesn't have someone stealing critical carries from him. The only people I could see trading Barber for would be Forte or ADP...

So you didn't look at the schedule before?If you say the same thing in a different way a couple more times maybe you can convince yourself.

I did look at the schedule before, and did not hesitate. As I said, he's not just a runner- and if you've seen any Dallas games this year you'd realize he's possibly the best RB in the league. Not statistically, but talent wise. He's amazing. I think with talent comes numbers. I don't put too much weight onto SOS. I think that's grossly over-played. If someone is talented they will over come tough matchups and still post respectable numbers. I'm very excited to see him put up stats for my team. I think he's going to be huge down the stretch. I'll book mark this and we can come back to it after week 16. Deal?

Sure.Just so you know. Through 10 weeks of play the defenses that have allowed the fewest average points to RBs are:

Ravens

Giants - Barbers last game against them 19 carries 54 yards 1 catch -12 yards. Total 42 yards. I don't think that is RB2 level in most leagues.

Steelers

Redskins - 8 carries 26 yards 2 catches 11 yards. Total 37 yards. I don't think that is RB2 level in most leagues.

Bucs - Barber did pretty decent against them 25 carries 71 yards 6 catches 29 yards. Total 100 yards. Not bad probably RB2 level.

Good Luck.

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

Those Ravens are doing so good aganist the rush this far against a team that has a decent rushing attack...http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2968...=tab_gamecenter

Wouldn't a good game today provide reassurance to roll with this guy? Washington is ranked right up there with those defenses that Barber faces down the stretch. A good game today let's you know that Barber is a player who rises above on-paper matchups.

Decent rushing attack? The Giants are the #1 rushing team in the NFL, and Jacobs is averaging 1.4 YPC more than Barber this year. Like i said, you couldnt pick a worse 3 game stretch for a RB to face than Barber will in the FF playoffs. That doesnt mean he wont have some success, but i wouldnt want my #1 RB facing those teams, no matter who it was.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Why wouldn't you wait until after the games v SEA and SF?

 

[Chadstroma]

The whole argument is based on the schedule against good D's. But when you have TO, Roy Williams and Witten to worry about as a D and have Romo who is not an easy target behind the lackluster line- you are not able to focus on the running game. With the passing game back aka Romo is back and Felix Jones back to keep D's from focusing on just stopping Barber- I am not worried about Barber performing well enough to be a #1 and there is a good chance of at least one elite game.

 

[Interseptopus]

Barber's got 5.6 YPC and a score in the first half versus the 4th best rushing defense in the NFL...

I'd say Barber owners have nothing to worry about, maybe lack of carries (8 in the first half), but that's about it

Not to mention, 6.2 points off of the receiving game

 

[KellysHeroes]

I will never trade this man in dynasty in the next 3 or 4 yrs

 

[Interseptopus]

I understand, yes, he's got one of, if not the toughest rushing schedule for the playoffs of any RB, but that's no reason to trade him. Sure, trade him if you're getting an upgrade, but absolutely no reason to downgrade from him. He'll score TDs and he'll get receptions. He won't go for 200+ yards, but if you're banking your playoff dreams on SOS giving you 200 yards, then you won't go very far. In the end it's who has the best players. This week NO had a very favorable matchup for their rushing attack... didn't do anything spectacular. Ryan Grant had a real tough matchup, he looked amazing (first 100+ yard game this season), then Miami had an easy matchup and they did well. Carolina went nuts with their matchup. It's a crap shoot. Sometimes SOS works out, sometimes it doesn't

 

[Bolted]

Barber is as close to a stud running back as you have in the leauge this year. Trading him is a HUGE mistake. You were smart when you drafted him, The boys will be fighting for their playoff lives those weeks. Use him.

 

[Andy Herron]

Anybody looking to unload Barber is an absolute fool...period.

 

[timschochet]

He's having a big night. But if you watched the Steelers and Giants lately, teams are just not able to run the ball against them. They're not able to throw much against them, either. Sure, it's possible Barber has a big game against one or both, but the odds say he will be a drawback on your team in weeks 14 and 15, and you won't get to week 16 to see how he'll do then. Simply sticking your head in the sand and saying "he's an elite running back, you can't trade him" makes very little sense to me.

 

[Interseptopus]

He's having a big night. But if you watched the Steelers and Giants lately, teams are just not able to run the ball against them. They're not able to throw much against them, either. Sure, it's possible Barber has a big game against one or both, but the odds say he will be a drawback on your team in weeks 14 and 15, and you won't get to week 16 to see how he'll do then. Simply sticking your head in the sand and saying "he's an elite running back, you can't trade him" makes very little sense to me.

Simply saying "He's got tough matchups he's going to suck" makes equal little sense to me! Look at him versus the FOURTH best rushing D in the league... should give indication what he can do against good rushing defenses

 

[Interseptopus]

4th rushing defense... Barber's final stats:

24 rushes

114 rushing yards (4.75 YPC)

6 receptions

39 receiving yards (team leader)

1 TD

27.30 fantasy points (2nd amongst RBs this week, only to Addai)

Can't wait when Romo proves he's fully healthy and teams have to start defending the pass and let up on the run

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

This is true.What's also true is that Barber runs as hard as an RB possibly can. He is, bar none, the most exciting RB to watch in the NFL today, IMHO.He has great shifty moves in the open field. He runs like the four horsemen of the apocalypse combined up the middle. He has soft hands and is a dependable outlet. He runs hard and turns the corner on a dime on sweeps and swings. He SEEKS contact -- both when he has the ball, and when he is in blocking schemes. And he's smart, coupling great field vision with incredible game, down and distance awareness. Time and time again I see him stay in bounds whan he needs to, get out of bounds when it's necessary, and give 300% for the extra quarter yard to get a first down.Yes, he's up against a tough schedule. But he is someone who can produce simply by being on the field.

 

[duece2626]

LOL @ the talk of trading this guy!!!

 

[Burning Sensation]

He's having a big night. But if you watched the Steelers and Giants lately, teams are just not able to run the ball against them. They're not able to throw much against them, either. Sure, it's possible Barber has a big game against one or both, but the odds say he will be a drawback on your team in weeks 14 and 15, and you won't get to week 16 to see how he'll do then. Simply sticking your head in the sand and saying "he's an elite running back, you can't trade him" makes very little sense to me.

Simply saying "He's got tough matchups he's going to suck" makes equal little sense to me! Look at him versus the FOURTH best rushing D in the league... should give indication what he can do against good rushing defenses

Usually you quote things other people said, not stuff you make up to make your argumant sound better.

 

[Moe Green]

OH HELL NO!

 

[timschochet]

He's having a big night. But if you watched the Steelers and Giants lately, teams are just not able to run the ball against them. They're not able to throw much against them, either. Sure, it's possible Barber has a big game against one or both, but the odds say he will be a drawback on your team in weeks 14 and 15, and you won't get to week 16 to see how he'll do then. Simply sticking your head in the sand and saying "he's an elite running back, you can't trade him" makes very little sense to me.

Simply saying "He's got tough matchups he's going to suck" makes equal little sense to me! Look at him versus the FOURTH best rushing D in the league... should give indication what he can do against good rushing defenses

Washington might be #4 on paper but you can't watch them and tell me they're the same as Steelers and Giants. It's not close. Those two teams, along with the Titans, are playing at a different level right now.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Wouldn't a good game today provide reassurance to roll with this guy? Washington is ranked right up there with those defenses that Barber faces down the stretch. A good game today let's you know that Barber is a player who rises above on-paper matchups.

Thanks self. I got all the confirmation I needed to ride the horse that got me here.

 

[teamroc]

Ravens got ### blasted.

He faces the Giants and Ravens AT HOME. Pitt is a tough matchup, week 14 which is a bye week for some. =)

Dallas will get things ramped up against SF/Sea next two weeks, this offense will not be shut down by Pitt/Ravens/Gaints. I have no problem starting Barber against anyone, esp at home which he is for the FF playoffs.

 

[teamroc]

Anybody looking to unload Barber is an absolute fool...period.

Yeah you don't trade Barber if you're planning to win some $$$ next month.

 

[timschochet]

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

This is true.What's also true is that Barber runs as hard as an RB possibly can. He is, bar none, the most exciting RB to watch in the NFL today, IMHO.He has great shifty moves in the open field. He runs like the four horsemen of the apocalypse combined up the middle. He has soft hands and is a dependable outlet. He runs hard and turns the corner on a dime on sweeps and swings. He SEEKS contact -- both when he has the ball, and when he is in blocking schemes. And he's smart, coupling great field vision with incredible game, down and distance awareness. Time and time again I see him stay in bounds whan he needs to, get out of bounds when it's necessary, and give 300% for the extra quarter yard to get a first down.Yes, he's up against a tough schedule. But he is someone who can produce simply by being on the field.

I have NO argument with any of this.I love MBIII. He's probably my favorite offensive player in the league. This has nothing to do with his skills, or the fact that he is an elite player. And I wish him and his owners nothing but good (so long as I don't have to play against him, that is.)I'm just playing the odds, that's all. NY and Pittsburgh are special defenses. The Steelers are allowing the lowest yards per play of any team since 1979. The Giants are shutting down the run completely. I just don't like the look of it.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

This is true.What's also true is that Barber runs as hard as an RB possibly can. He is, bar none, the most exciting RB to watch in the NFL today, IMHO.He has great shifty moves in the open field. He runs like the four horsemen of the apocalypse combined up the middle. He has soft hands and is a dependable outlet. He runs hard and turns the corner on a dime on sweeps and swings. He SEEKS contact -- both when he has the ball, and when he is in blocking schemes. And he's smart, coupling great field vision with incredible game, down and distance awareness. Time and time again I see him stay in bounds whan he needs to, get out of bounds when it's necessary, and give 300% for the extra quarter yard to get a first down.Yes, he's up against a tough schedule. But he is someone who can produce simply by being on the field.

No doubt he is a good RB, but i will take AD over him, especially considering playoff matchups.

 

[timschochet]

Last year I warned Tom Brady and Randy Moss owners to be prepared for cold weather that would hurt their teams in weeks 14-16. The response I got was similar to what I am getting now. Just saying.

 

[Interseptopus]

We'll see. Right now this is all speculation. So far he looks great. We'll see in a couple weeks!

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Washington might be #4 on paper but you can't watch them and tell me they're the same as Steelers and Giants. It's not close. Those two teams, along with the Titans, are playing at a different level right now.

I notice you dropped any mention of Baltimore from your argument. The Ravens had given up the fewest points in FF to RBs coming into today. Could it be because they got steamrolled by the Giants on the ground today? And Tomlinson had some success against the vaunted Steelers today as well. The bottom line is if the Giants, Steelers, and Ravens were facing offenses like the Cowboys at full strength each week, they would be yielding plenty of points to RBs.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

I dont care how you spin it, the Ravens, Steelers and Giants is as hard as it gets for a RB.

This is true.What's also true is that Barber runs as hard as an RB possibly can. He is, bar none, the most exciting RB to watch in the NFL today, IMHO.

He has great shifty moves in the open field. He runs like the four horsemen of the apocalypse combined up the middle. He has soft hands and is a dependable outlet. He runs hard and turns the corner on a dime on sweeps and swings. He SEEKS contact -- both when he has the ball, and when he is in blocking schemes. And he's smart, coupling great field vision with incredible game, down and distance awareness. Time and time again I see him stay in bounds whan he needs to, get out of bounds when it's necessary, and give 300% for the extra quarter yard to get a first down.

Yes, he's up against a tough schedule. But he is someone who can produce simply by being on the field.

I have NO argument with any of this.I love MBIII. He's probably my favorite offensive player in the league. This has nothing to do with his skills, or the fact that he is an elite player. And I wish him and his owners nothing but good (so long as I don't have to play against him, that is.)

I'm just playing the odds, that's all. NY and Pittsburgh are special defenses. The Steelers are allowing the lowest yards per play of any team since 1979. The Giants are shutting down the run completely. I just don't like the look of it.

Understood. Don't blame you for trying to adjust and tweak your roster based on FF playoff matchups. But I'm saying, odds are Barber will produce even against special defenses. Put another way, there would be no way I would sit Barber if he was on my squad, regardless of matchup.

 

[Interseptopus]

Washington might be #4 on paper but you can't watch them and tell me they're the same as Steelers and Giants. It's not close. Those two teams, along with the Titans, are playing at a different level right now.

I notice you dropped any mention of Baltimore from your argument. The Ravens had given up the fewest points in FF to RBs coming into today. Could it be because they got steamrolled by the Giants on the ground today? And Tomlinson had some success against the vaunted Steelers today as well. The bottom line is if the Giants, Steelers, and Ravens were facing offenses like the Cowboys at full strength each week, they would be yielding plenty of points to RBs.

as I said above, not hard to stop Buckhalter, Jamal Lewis, and others of that similar talent... when they get real talent (Jacobs, LT) you see that they are vulnerable

 

[timschochet]

Washington might be #4 on paper but you can't watch them and tell me they're the same as Steelers and Giants. It's not close. Those two teams, along with the Titans, are playing at a different level right now.

I notice you dropped any mention of Baltimore from your argument. The Ravens had given up the fewest points in FF to RBs coming into today. Could it be because they got steamrolled by the Giants on the ground today? And Tomlinson had some success against the vaunted Steelers today as well. The bottom line is if the Giants, Steelers, and Ravens were facing offenses like the Cowboys at full strength each week, they would be yielding plenty of points to RBs.

I didn't bring up the Ravens because they're week 16. And if you are a Barber owner, and you get to week 16, either I will already be totally wrong in my speculation, or your team is otherwise very talented, and if I am right about weeks 14 and 15, you will hesitate at that point to start him. So we needn't worry about Baltimore. The key teams are Steelers and Giants. And let's take it a step further. Suppose you own Barber and have a bye, and the Steelers completely shut him down week 14. Are you really going to start him with full confidence against the Giants? I'd be awfully nervous at that point.

 

[Interseptopus]

Washington might be #4 on paper but you can't watch them and tell me they're the same as Steelers and Giants. It's not close. Those two teams, along with the Titans, are playing at a different level right now.

I notice you dropped any mention of Baltimore from your argument. The Ravens had given up the fewest points in FF to RBs coming into today. Could it be because they got steamrolled by the Giants on the ground today? And Tomlinson had some success against the vaunted Steelers today as well. The bottom line is if the Giants, Steelers, and Ravens were facing offenses like the Cowboys at full strength each week, they would be yielding plenty of points to RBs.

I didn't bring up the Ravens because they're week 16. And if you are a Barber owner, and you get to week 16, either I will already be totally wrong in my speculation, or your team is otherwise very talented, and if I am right about weeks 14 and 15, you will hesitate at that point to start him. So we needn't worry about Baltimore. The key teams are Steelers and Giants. And let's take it a step further. Suppose you own Barber and have a bye, and the Steelers completely shut him down week 14. Are you really going to start him with full confidence against the Giants? I'd be awfully nervous at that point.

Yes, new team, new game, new chance to succeed. Always start your studs in the playoffs. Playing the matchup game just leaves you pounding your head on your desk Monday morning

 

[timschochet]

Of course if I am wrong about this, I will come back to this thread with plenty of mea culpas. I have been plenty wrong before, and I will be again.

 

[Chadstroma]

LOL @ the talk of trading this guy!!!

Exactly. Laugh at the fool for trading him away and laugh while counting all the points in trading for him.