If Minny goes 15-1 (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

P. Manning - Unbeaten , many comebacks , having a manning type year. w/o Manning Colts are a 2-14 team

D. Brees - unbeaten - great numbers , without Brees NoLa isn't near a playoff team .

B. Favre - 1 loss @ Pitt , great numbers , 40 YO , comback kid , considered one of if not GOAT , way to totally go out on top for a all time great athlete not just QB.

Personally if you can only give it to 1 I go Favre just based on the storybook elements and the fact it is so razor close. But IMO I think all 3 should have it.

thoughts?

 

[John Windle]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

 

[sho nuff]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

 

[gianmarco]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

What if CJ3 breaks the rushing record but the Titans miss the playoffs? Is he still a consideration?Btw, as great as Favre has been, that team still makes the playoffs without him, IMO. Indy and NO don't stand a chance without their QBs.

 

[teamroc]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

I still think they should have kept Favre and extended Rodgers. They would have saved money, and no way Rodgers turns down a 30 million extension. Sure he'd still be sitting, but the packers would be 9-2. Ted Thompson should probably still be fired for screwing it all up.

 

[parasaurolophus]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

What if CJ3 breaks the rushing record but the Titans miss the playoffs? Is he still a consideration?Btw, as great as Favre has been, that team still makes the playoffs without him, IMO. Indy and NO don't stand a chance without their QBs.

how can you say Indy and NO dont make the playoffs without their QBs?Have you seen the different ways NO is scoring every week?Have you seen how few points Indy's defense is giving up?

 

[gianmarco]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

What if CJ3 breaks the rushing record but the Titans miss the playoffs? Is he still a consideration?Btw, as great as Favre has been, that team still makes the playoffs without him, IMO. Indy and NO don't stand a chance without their QBs.

how can you say Indy and NO dont make the playoffs without their QBs?Have you seen the different ways NO is scoring every week?Have you seen how few points Indy's defense is giving up?

Watch every NO game, chief. I've seen it. That team goes through Brees. The variety of players scoring is made possible only because of Brees. As for Indy, have you seen how many comebacks Peyton has mounted so far this year? Do you think Sorgi is going to turn Collie and Garcon into all-stars? Seriously?

 

[sho nuff]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

I still think they should have kept Favre and extended Rodgers. They would have saved money, and no way Rodgers turns down a 30 million extension. Sure he'd still be sitting, but the packers would be 9-2. Ted Thompson should probably still be fired for screwing it all up.

If Rodgers would be extended...and as much flack as Ted Thompson takes...how many people would still be bashing him if he extended a QB for 30 million that he never saw play?First off...had Favre played like he did last year...GB does not make the playoffs, just like the Jets. There is no guarantee after this that Favre would have come back for this season. nor any guarantee he would play anything near like he is now, behind GB's Oline and with Grant behind him rather than Peterson.Ted Thompson might get fired, but going with Rodgers over Favre should not, and will not be the reason.its not even a failure at this point...his failure has been his inability to draft and build a quality offensive line.

 

[sho nuff]

What do you do if Chris Johnson ends up rushing for 2200 yards and Titans comeback from an 0-6 start?

What I was about to post.Really, if Brees keeps throwing INTs and they just barely keep squeaking by, I don't think he will be in the conversation.QBs usually get the nod and it will be between Favre and Manning.But how could anyone ignore Johnson if he even approaches 2000 yards and somehow the Titans make the playoffs after starting 0-6?

What if CJ3 breaks the rushing record but the Titans miss the playoffs? Is he still a consideration?Btw, as great as Favre has been, that team still makes the playoffs without him, IMO. Indy and NO don't stand a chance without their QBs.

how can you say Indy and NO dont make the playoffs without their QBs?Have you seen the different ways NO is scoring every week?Have you seen how few points Indy's defense is giving up?

Watch every NO game, chief. I've seen it. That team goes through Brees. The variety of players scoring is made possible only because of Brees. As for Indy, have you seen how many comebacks Peyton has mounted so far this year? Do you think Sorgi is going to turn Collie and Garcon into all-stars? Seriously?

Manning is Indy. Sorgi might win 5-6 games with that team.Brees though needs to cut down the INTs or even undefeated he will pace himself out of the MVP talk.Without Favre, the Vikings still likely win 10 games (hell, they won 10 without him last year with Gus and Tarvaris).He is playing great, no doubt....but is not the clear cut favorite as long as Indy keeps winning and Peyton keeps delivering.

 

[mystykoekaki]

Favre should get it regardless ... look what he is doing ... geez.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Favre should get it regardless ... look what he is doing ... geez.

Many defensive players for the Vikings have stated at how much Favre has energized that team. Yet many of the Favre haters stated the Packers did not miss his leadership last season. Not to mention the haters that stated Favre would divide the Vikings heading into this season! Tony Dungy just stated Favre for MVP at halftime on NBC.

 

[JuniorNB]

Favre and it isn't close. His TD:INT ratio is sick. One of the best ever and he's having his best season.

 

[jon_mx]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

 

[jon_mx]

Favre and it isn't close. His TD:INT ratio is sick. One of the best ever and he's having his best season.

I'd put $50 on Manning winning it against the field and give 2-1 odds.

 

[JuniorNB]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

 

[gianmarco]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

MVP = Most Valuable Player. There's a reason it's not called MIS (Most Impressive Stats). It's meant to represent which player has meant the most to his team (usually through impressive stats). Minnesota is still an 8-9 win team with or without Favre. There is no doubt he's been phenomenal. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching him play. However, both New Orleans nor Indy are anywhere close to being where they are without Brees and Manning. Likewise, if Tenn ends up making the playoffs, Chris Johnson deserves SERIOUS consideration, 2000 yds or not.

 

[Jason Wood]

This is shaping up to be a truly excellent MVP race. As others have mentioned, 2,000-yard rushers are always going to be in the mix as are QBs who manage Top 5 offenses with great records. Tony Dungy just said he would opt for Favre over Manning which is a HUGE endorsement all things considered. The great thing is that this kind of stuff usually works itself out. We won't have two undefeated teams, and we probably won't have three teams with 15-1 or better records. Assuming one of the QBs does go undefeated, I think they get the nod. Otherwise I suspect Favre will take home the trophy.

 

[wilked]

I agree with the others, Brett's gonna have to make room on the trophy case for his 4th MVP award

 

[sho nuff]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

Dwarf?How so?TDs? same.INTs...yup, Manning has more.Yards per attempt...have not redone the stats yet to include this week, but prior to this week, Manning's was higher.Favre has fewer INTs, and a better rating.Manning had more yards, same TDs...oh, and an extra win with what I believe is a tougher schedule statistically.How is that dwarfing anything?

 

[gianmarco]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.

Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

Huh? Favre's stats dwarf Manning's?Manning has thrown for 500 more yds.

Manning has a higher completion %.

Manning has a higher yards/attempt.

Manning has the same # of TDs.

The ONLY stat that Favre has over Peyton is INTs and QB rating (as a result of the INTs).

You and I have a different definition of dwarf. We also have a different way of looking at stats if you think Favre's are better.

 

[jon_mx]

I agree with the others, Brett's gonna have to make room on the trophy case for his 4th MVP award

Team MVP?

 

[certificate]

If Chris Johnson breaks the rushing record and doesn't get it, the award is a joke.

 

[gianmarco]

Has the winner of the MVP ever been on a team that didn't make the playoffs?

 

[CrossEyed]

Might end up being Vince Young.

 

[Jimmy James]

If the Saints and Colts go 16-0, the Vikings go 15-1, and Johnson breaks the rushing record, they can give the award to any of Brees, Manning, Favre, and Johnson and in any combination, and anybody without an agenda will have no room to say boo about it.

That said, I am guessing only 1 or maybe two of the above will happen.

 

[Phlash]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

 

[sho nuff]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

With others having similar or better stats and better records...probably not at this point.

 

[John Windle]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

Correct. Brady does not have a shot. Between the 18-1 season and cheating scandals... no one other than the refs are pulling for Brady.

 

[Phlash]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

Correct. Brady does not have a shot. Between the 18-1 season and cheating scandals... no one other than the refs are pulling for Brady.

Brady won the MVP award the year they went 18-1, the year after the Spygate charade.

 

[thatguy]

For my money, Favre and Manning should share the award. Johnson and Brees are close seconds.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

I think last year put things into perspective. We saw exactly how Valuable Brady was to the Pats' success. Pretty Valuable, but not incrediblyAs for the discussion, I think it's Manning/Favre in a toss up right now, with Johnson rising and Brees falling.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Has the winner of the MVP ever been on a team that didn't make the playoffs?

Here are all of them since 1950:

1954	NFL	upimvp	sfo	Joe Perry		  7-4-11955	NFL	neamvp	chi	Harlon Hill		8-4-01957	NFL	neamvp	clt	Johnny Unitas	  7-5-01960	AFL	appoy	 kan	Abner Haynes	   8-6-01962	AFL	appoy	 buf	Cookie Gilchrist   7-6-11963	NFL	upimvp	cle	Jim Brown		 10-4-01963	NFL	neamvp	cle	Jim Brown		 10-4-01963	NFL	bba	   cle	Jim Brown		 10-4-01964	AFL	appoy	 nwe	Gino Cappelletti  10-3-11965	NFL	bba	   phi	Pete Retzlaff	  5-9-01966	AFL	appoy	 nwe	Jim Nance		  8-4-21967	NFL	upimvp	clt	Johnny Unitas	 11-1-21967	NFL	neamvp	clt	Johnny Unitas	 11-1-21967	NFL	bba	   clt	Johnny Unitas	 11-1-21967	NFL	apmvp	 clt	Johnny Unitas	 11-1-21973	NFL	neamvp	buf	O.J. Simpson	   9-5-01973	NFL	bba	   buf	O.J. Simpson	   9-5-01973	NFL	apmvp	 buf	O.J. Simpson	   9-5-01977	NFL	bba	   mia	Bob Griese		10-4-0

If you're only into post-merger or AP MVP type stuff, then O.J. Simpson in the year he set the NFL record for rushing yards per game would be the only answer.

 

[sho nuff]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

I think last year put things into perspective. We saw exactly how Valuable Brady was to the Pats' success. Pretty Valuable, but not incrediblyAs for the discussion, I think it's Manning/Favre in a toss up right now, with Johnson rising and Brees falling.

And Im not saying its the case (before a few certain people saying I am taking away from Favre).But what you are saying about Brady and last year...wouldn't the same be said for Favre with the Vikings? They went 10-6 and won the division with pretty much the same team (hell, they added Harvin to the mix) and Tarvaris and Gus at the helm.My point is not to downplay Favre, but to say I don't think that is the reasoning Brady is not in the discussion at this point.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

I think last year put things into perspective. We saw exactly how Valuable Brady was to the Pats' success. Pretty Valuable, but not incrediblyAs for the discussion, I think it's Manning/Favre in a toss up right now, with Johnson rising and Brees falling.

But what you are saying about Brady and last year...wouldn't the same be said for Favre with the Vikings? They went 10-6 and won the division with pretty much the same team (hell, they added Harvin to the mix) and Tarvaris and Gus at the helm.

Very good point. I don't know what I was thinking... I think I was enamored with the 3 INT thing, and the great games Favre has had as of late. (And Dungy's comments)After thinking about it more, it's got to be Manning with the edge this year. I have a hard time believing this team would be very successful with a "normal" QB playing for them.

 

[Phlash]

So, Brady has no chance at this? His stats are excellent this season and he's finally back to form - he could likely hit 5k passing yards at his current pace, is on pace for 35 TDs and only 10 INTs. He's absolutely on fire right now.

I think last year put things into perspective. We saw exactly how Valuable Brady was to the Pats' success. Pretty Valuable, but not incrediblyAs for the discussion, I think it's Manning/Favre in a toss up right now, with Johnson rising and Brees falling.

Brady was the difference between the best offense of all time, being nearly undefeated and a playoff/Superbowl berth versus 11-5 and no playoffs.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Too early to say. Manning, Favre, Brees, Rivers, Brady and CJ4.24 are all in the running. Manning, Favre and Brees are the clear frontrunners, and understandably so, but there's about 1/3 of the season left.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

If you just want to look at it from a statistical perspective, let me fix your post...

Brady was the difference between the best statistical offense of all time, 16-0 being nearly undefeated and a playoff/Superbowl berth versus 11-5 and no playoffs.

Brady is the difference between 11-5 versus 7-3 (and counting).

 

[pollardsvision]

P. Manning - Unbeaten , many comebacks , having a manning type year. w/o Manning Colts are a 2-14 team

D. Brees - unbeaten - great numbers , without Brees NoLa isn't near a playoff team .

B. Favre - 1 loss @ Pitt , great numbers , 40 YO , comback kid , considered one of if not GOAT , way to totally go out on top for a all time great athlete not just QB.

Personally if you can only give it to 1 I go Favre just based on the storybook elements and the fact it is so razor close. But IMO I think all 3 should have it.

thoughts?

You think the Colts would win 14 fewer games without Manning and you think someone else should get the nod? That doesn't make much sense. I feel similarly to your thoughts on Peyton, which is why I think he's the MVP, followed very closely by Brees. At this point, I think those are the only 2 that should be seriously considered. CJ could creep in too, but I'm not big on RBs as MVP candidates.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

first notion i go with Favre

thinking it thru............still go with Favre

please stop using the "Colts would be #### without Peyton" ideal. its retodded

 

[Bad_Mo]

Everybody should get the award...just like in little kids sports.

 

[travdogg]

If Chris Johnson breaks the rushing record and doesn't get it, the award is a joke.

I agree with this. Although the award is kind of a bit of a joke already, all awards kind of are.Someone mentioned MVP=most valuable player to his team. I feel very strongly that the Titans would be 0-11 right now without Johnson and Jeff Fisher would be unemployed.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Since four different guys are worthy of discussion (and not just to be nice-- all legitimate MVP candidates) I think we should conclude that we're watching a pretty awesome season. At the end of week 11, there's even a shot for two undefeated teams to meet in the Super Bowl.

I can't pick between any of them right now. But I will say that if the Saints or Colts (or both) go undefeated, the QB has to get at least a piece of that award.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

first notion i go with Favre

thinking it thru............still go with Favre

please stop using the "Colts would be #### without Peyton" ideal. its retodded

The MVP is based on who's most valuable to their team. One way to determine this is by hypothetically removing that person from their team.

 

[Sabertooth]

If everybody wins the MVP, nobody does. I vote for Manning right now.

 

[JuniorNB]

If Chris Johnson breaks the rushing record and doesn't get it, the award is a joke.

It's pretty obvious that he isn't even the MVP of his team.

 

[JuniorNB]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.

Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

Huh? Favre's stats dwarf Manning's?Manning has thrown for 500 more yds.

Manning has a higher completion %.

Manning has a higher yards/attempt.

Manning has the same # of TDs.

The ONLY stat that Favre has over Peyton is INTs and QB rating (as a result of the INTs).

You and I have a different definition of dwarf. We also have a different way of looking at stats if you think Favre's are better.

NFL.com hasn't updated the stats yet, but isn't the interception difference 11 to 3? That's EIGHT turnovers more for Manning. You can't just throw that away as 'just one stat'. Interceptions are one of the most important stats a QB has. And it's not 7-6. It's a landslide.

 

[Pnishthm]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

MVP = Most Valuable Player. There's a reason it's not called MIS (Most Impressive Stats). It's meant to represent which player has meant the most to his team (usually through impressive stats). Minnesota is still an 8-9 win team with or without Favre. There is no doubt he's been phenomenal. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching him play. However, both New Orleans nor Indy are anywhere close to being where they are without Brees and Manning. Likewise, if Tenn ends up making the playoffs, Chris Johnson deserves SERIOUS consideration, 2000 yds or not.

So the Titans would be 5-6 without Johnson? Ohhhh wait, they are. Remember they had Johnson when they went 0-6 also. If you are going to give meaning to MVP you have to give the same meaning both ways. By defining MVP as "which player means most to his team" Johnson isn't even first on his own team right now. Tenn=5-6 with Johnson. Tenn=5-0 with Young and 0-6 withouth Young. So maybe it is "most impressive stats".

 

[harryhood]

Yea I am a little shuked by the CJ love as well, rushing pace aside. Someone mentioned if they make the playoffs he will need to be a top the conversation. Yet, if they do indeed make the playoffs(longshot), it will be because their QB came in and guided an 0-6 team to the playoffs, something that has never been done before.

How would CJ be anymore deserving than VY?

My vote would go to Manning at this point. They are an undefeated team that could have had 3 L's by now. But Manning just doesn't quit and that team just keeps on comin'. It's the reason they are undefeated.

 

[corpcow]

Favre should get it regardless ... look what he is doing ... geez.

Many defensive players for the Vikings have stated at how much Favre has energized that team. Yet many of the Favre haters stated the Packers did not miss his leadership last season. Not to mention the haters that stated Favre would divide the Vikings heading into this season! Tony Dungy just stated Favre for MVP at halftime on NBC.

How does the difference (positive or otherwise) between Favre and Rodgers compare to the difference between Tavaris and Favre, in both ability and leadership?Would Favre be playing as well as he is if he didn't have an elite running game and an elite defense, neither of which GB has?I'm not suggesting that he does or doesn't deserve the MVP, but it's simplistic to look at a situation and assume it would transfer. Indy would be lost without Manning and the Saints might be lost without Brees, but that's because those teams are pretty much built around those guys. And in both cases, their defenses are playing great as well, which has been a big part of the wins. In Favre's case, it's silly to think that he would be playing this well on a team with a bad defense. Hell, part of the reason he has thrown so many INTs over the years is that he tries to force plays sometimes. This year, he looks content to trust the defense and doesn't force things as much.

 

[gianmarco]

Right now it is Manning's to lose.

Manning has more interceptions in the least two weeks than Favre does all year.

Favre's stats dwarf Manning's.

Huh? Favre's stats dwarf Manning's?Manning has thrown for 500 more yds.

Manning has a higher completion %.

Manning has a higher yards/attempt.

Manning has the same # of TDs.

The ONLY stat that Favre has over Peyton is INTs and QB rating (as a result of the INTs).

You and I have a different definition of dwarf. We also have a different way of looking at stats if you think Favre's are better.

NFL.com hasn't updated the stats yet, but isn't the interception difference 11 to 3? That's EIGHT turnovers more for Manning. You can't just throw that away as 'just one stat'. Interceptions are one of the most important stats a QB has. And it's not 7-6. It's a landslide.

1st of all, I"m not throwing away any stats. YOU are the one that claimed Favre's stats dwarf Manning's. They don't. Not even close. He's actually behind in some of them. 2nd of all, just having an INT advantage isn't enough to say Favre has been better. I can say Manning has FIVE HUNDRED more yards. You can't just throw that away as 'just one stat'. That, and Peyton's team is still undefeated and Peyton has mounted a few comebacks already. In the end, if you remove Favre from Minnesota, that team is still an 8 or 9 win team. They showed that last year already with Gus Frerotte at the helm. If this team goes far or wins the whole thing, he'll be a big part of that, but not where they are now. If you remove Peyton from Indy, that team is lucky to be .500. The Minnesota team goes through its run game and through its defense. Indy runs through Peyton. Period.

If that stats were lopsided in Favre's favor, then I can see the argument for him. But they aren't. Peyton's are just as good if not better essentially in all areas except INTs. And it's not as if 11 INTs is an exorbitant amount. And it's also not as if those INTs are costing the Colts games.

Ask yourself this: If Minnesota were to lose AP, do you think Favre does as well as he is? Do you think this team can make it through the playoffs without AP? Now pick ANY player you want in Indy and remove him. Wayne, Clark, Addai......anyone. Do you think Indy still can't make it through the playoffs?