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If St. Louis and Seattle lose today.... (1 Viewer)

gianmarco

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If StL and Seattle lose today, we'll be heading into week 11 with a division that doesn't have a single team with a winning record. St. Louis, Seattle, and Arizona will all be 4-5 at this point.

Has this ever happened before this late into the season? Could one of these teams really make the playoffs with a losing record?

 
NFL Rules, Section 7, Rule 122:8

A team that wins their division without an overall winning record is not automatically granted a playoff spot.

(wishful thinking)

 
Easy everyone....remember two years ago....9-7 Cards considered the worst playoff team ever....what did they do, oh yea crushed a 12-4 undefeated at home Carolina team on the road, then beat Philly...then came within seconds of winning the Superbowl. You never know.

 
Easy everyone....remember two years ago....9-7 Cards considered the worst playoff team ever....what did they do, oh yea crushed a 12-4 undefeated at home Carolina team on the road, then beat Philly...then came within seconds of winning the Superbowl. You never know.
Exactly. Glad I'm not the only one not seeing a problem here
 
Easy everyone....remember two years ago....9-7 Cards considered the worst playoff team ever....what did they do, oh yea crushed a 12-4 undefeated at home Carolina team on the road, then beat Philly...then came within seconds of winning the Superbowl. You never know.
Good post. Cleveland made the playoffs 20 years ago, and I think they were 8-8. Somehow, the NFL survived. A bad team making the playoffs isn't the end of the world. In fact, it usually happens almost every year.
 
NFC West = NFC representative in 2 of the last 4 superbowls... 3 of the last 8 and 4 of the last 10.

 
NFL Rules, Section 7, Rule 122:8A team that wins their division without an overall winning record is not automatically granted a playoff spot. (wishful thinking)
Hypothetically, Tampa Bay might be the team that just misses the playoffs because they are in a tough division. Yet Tampa is 2-0 vs NFC West so far.
 
There will always be some bad teams in the NFL. Fortunately, which teams are bad should vary from year to year, but there will be times when - just by chance - you end up with a weak division that has all underperforming teams in it. It's just randomness in the data and isn't a big deal.

 
Cleveland won the AFC Central in 1985 with an 8-8 record (and they would have won the division with a losing record).

 
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NFC West = NFC representative in 2 of the last 4 superbowls... 3 of the last 8 and 4 of the last 10.
Just came to post this. The NFC west gets a bad rap but the reality is Sea, Stl, and Ari have all represented the NFC four times in a ten year span from 00 to 09. NFC east three times over that same span.
 
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NFC West = NFC representative in 2 of the last 4 superbowls... 3 of the last 8 and 4 of the last 10.
Just came to post this. The NFC west gets a bad rap but the reality is Sea, Stl, and Ari have all represented the NFC four times in a ten year span from 00 to 09. NFC east three times over that same span.
Your off 1 game. I have two in the last 5 and three in the last 9 and four in the last 11.
 
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2008 when San Diego came back to win the AFC west at 8-8 over Denver who was 8-5 and blew the 3 game lead with 3 to go comes to mind for me. San Diego then won their home playoff divisional game.

 
Ladies and gentlemen, the 2010 NFC West after Week 11:

St. Louis: 5-6

Seattle: 5-6

San Francisco: 4-7

Arizona: 3-8

We could end up with the first 7-9 division winner in NFL history.

 
Ladies and gentlemen, the 2010 NFC West after Week 11:

St. Louis: 5-6

Seattle: 5-6

San Francisco: 4-7

Arizona: 3-8

We could end up with the first 7-9 division winner in NFL history.
This is highly unlikely, but if the games go as below:St. Louis plays Arizona-L, New Orleans-L, Kansas City-L, San Fran-L, Seattle-L - 5-11

Seattle plays Carolina-L, San Fran-L, Atlanta-L, Tampa-L, St. Louis-W - 6-10

San Fran plays Green Bay-L, Seattle-W, San Diego-L, St. Louis-W, Arizona-L - 6-10

Arizona plays St. Louis-W, Denver-L, Carolina-L, Dallas-L, San Fran-W - 5-11

Division winner would be 6-10.

Last game of the season could have Seattle vs St. Louis with both teams at 5-10 and fighting for the division.

 
This is highly unlikely, but if the games go as below:

St. Louis plays Arizona-L, New Orleans-L, Kansas City-L, San Fran-L, Seattle-L - 5-11

Seattle plays Carolina-L, San Fran-L, Atlanta-L, Tampa-L, St. Louis-W - 6-10

San Fran plays Green Bay-L, Seattle-W, San Diego-L, St. Louis-W, Arizona-L - 6-10

Arizona plays St. Louis-W, Denver-L, Carolina-L, Dallas-L, San Fran-W - 5-11

Division winner would be 6-10.

Last game of the season could have Seattle vs St. Louis with both teams at 5-10 and fighting for the division.
A Rams hater? I wouldn't necessarily chalk up losses in the 3 matches above.ARZ is dead in the water, SFF was just shut out (last week?), and SEA is "beatable" at least.

I think the young Rams win the West.

 
This is highly unlikely, but if the games go as below:

St. Louis plays Arizona-L, New Orleans-L, Kansas City-L, San Fran-L, Seattle-L - 5-11

Seattle plays Carolina-L, San Fran-L, Atlanta-L, Tampa-L, St. Louis-W - 6-10

San Fran plays Green Bay-L, Seattle-W, San Diego-L, St. Louis-W, Arizona-L - 6-10

Arizona plays St. Louis-W, Denver-L, Carolina-L, Dallas-L, San Fran-W - 5-11

Division winner would be 6-10.

Last game of the season could have Seattle vs St. Louis with both teams at 5-10 and fighting for the division.
A Rams hater? I wouldn't necessarily chalk up losses in the 3 matches above.ARZ is dead in the water, SFF was just shut out (last week?), and SEA is "beatable" at least.

I think the young Rams win the West.
To be fair, I think he just wanted to come up with the most ludicrous possible scenario. Personally, I think 8-8 will win the division, and I think the Rams have a great shot. Seems to be the one team trending upward and getting better with time. I don't know what to make of the Niners, but losing Frank Gore is huge.
 
This is highly unlikely, but if the games go as below:

St. Louis plays Arizona-L, New Orleans-L, Kansas City-L, San Fran-L, Seattle-L - 5-11

Seattle plays Carolina-L, San Fran-L, Atlanta-L, Tampa-L, St. Louis-W - 6-10

San Fran plays Green Bay-L, Seattle-W, San Diego-L, St. Louis-W, Arizona-L - 6-10

Arizona plays St. Louis-W, Denver-L, Carolina-L, Dallas-L, San Fran-W - 5-11

Division winner would be 6-10.

Last game of the season could have Seattle vs St. Louis with both teams at 5-10 and fighting for the division.
A Rams hater? I wouldn't necessarily chalk up losses in the 3 matches above.ARZ is dead in the water, SFF was just shut out (last week?), and SEA is "beatable" at least.

I think the young Rams win the West.
To be fair, I think he just wanted to come up with the most ludicrous possible scenario. Personally, I think 8-8 will win the division, and I think the Rams have a great shot. Seems to be the one team trending upward and getting better with time. I don't know what to make of the Niners, but losing Frank Gore is huge.
Your right, my bad... and fixed.Stickin' by the rest. :goodposting:

 
This is highly unlikely, but if the games go as below:

St. Louis plays Arizona-L, New Orleans-L, Kansas City-L, San Fran-L, Seattle-L - 5-11

Seattle plays Carolina-L, San Fran-L, Atlanta-L, Tampa-L, St. Louis-W - 6-10

San Fran plays Green Bay-L, Seattle-W, San Diego-L, St. Louis-W, Arizona-L - 6-10

Arizona plays St. Louis-W, Denver-L, Carolina-L, Dallas-L, San Fran-W - 5-11

Division winner would be 6-10.

Last game of the season could have Seattle vs St. Louis with both teams at 5-10 and fighting for the division.
A Rams hater? I wouldn't necessarily chalk up losses in the 3 matches above.ARZ is dead in the water, SFF was just shut out (last week?), and SEA is "beatable" at least.

I think the young Rams win the West.
To be fair, I think he just wanted to come up with the most ludicrous possible scenario. Personally, I think 8-8 will win the division, and I think the Rams have a great shot. Seems to be the one team trending upward and getting better with time. I don't know what to make of the Niners, but losing Frank Gore is huge.
Agreed. I just posted what was possible. I think the Rams have a great shot and it may just come down to the final week of the season.
 
Traders2001 said:
No team in this division should be allowed in the playoffs, those teams are a disgrace for the league ...
AFC South isn't much better and I don't hear anyone complaining about Jacksonville hosting a playoff game...
 
Traders2001 said:
No team in this division should be allowed in the playoffs , those teams are a disgrace for the league ...
That's EXACTLY what the "experts" were saying about the Cardinals a few years ago... and they managed to hold their own in the post season.
 
So if St. Louis and Seattle lose this week and SF wins, then the 6-8 49ers would actually hold the division lead due to tiebreakers. That's absurd.

The fact that a team that started 0-5 has a shot to win a DIVISION (not just a wildcard spot) says it all.

 
I think the winner of this division will be 7-9.
And the Packers, even if they make 10-6 will stay home for the playoffs. That's just wrong.
SD, Jax, NYG, NYJ, Miami all kinds of teams will have a better record than that and miss.
Oh, I agree - I just was pointing to one I knew. Although, the Giants will proabably make it (both they and GB can't stay home - someone has to be the other WC - the Giants hold the tie-breaker...or will).
 
I think the winner of this division will be 7-9.
And the Packers, even if they make 10-6 will stay home for the playoffs. That's just wrong.
SD, Jax, NYG, NYJ, Miami all kinds of teams will have a better record than that and miss.
Oh, I agree - I just was pointing to one I knew. Although, the Giants will proabably make it (both they and GB can't stay home - someone has to be the other WC - the Giants hold the tie-breaker...or will).
Tampa down?
 
I think the winner of this division will be 7-9.
And the Packers, even if they make 10-6 will stay home for the playoffs. That's just wrong.
SD, Jax, NYG, NYJ, Miami all kinds of teams will have a better record than that and miss.
Oh, I agree - I just was pointing to one I knew. Although, the Giants will proabably make it (both they and GB can't stay home - someone has to be the other WC - the Giants hold the tie-breaker...or will).
Tampa down?
Not really. I think Tampa drops 2 of the last 3. I think they lose to Detroit and get crushed by N.O. I also could see the Packers winning one of the last three (especially if the Bears game doesn't mean anything for the Bears). I'm too lazy to figure out the other tie breakers. I think the Giants are easily in. They should win at least 2 of the last 3. Even the Giants don't win the division, the Eagles will make it over Tampa or GB. Basically, what I'm saying is Tampa and GB will likely both be watching the playoffs from their couches. Even if TB takes 2 od 3, they either have to have the Giants drop 2 of 3 (which I don't think will happen) or have the Saints lose out (which is even less likely, IMHO). Either GB or TB could end up 10-6 - and either would likely be home for post season.
 
So if St. Louis and Seattle lose this week and SF wins, then the 6-8 49ers would actually hold the division lead due to tiebreakers. That's absurd.

The fact that a team that started 0-5 has a shot to win a DIVISION (not just a wildcard spot) says it all.
More absurdity:- even if all 3 teams lose this week, San Francisco can STILL win the division as long as Seattle loses to either Tampa or St. Louis.

- Arizona can still win the division, but only if St. Louis and Seattle TIE in Week 17

- don't forget about the AFC Central and the AFC West: we could still end up with 8-8 playoff teams in both divisions -- each could end up hosting 11-5 wild card teams while two other 11-5 teams stay home. (linky)

 
TommyGilmore said:
gianmarco said:
So if St. Louis and Seattle lose this week and SF wins, then the 6-8 49ers would actually hold the division lead due to tiebreakers. That's absurd.

The fact that a team that started 0-5 has a shot to win a DIVISION (not just a wildcard spot) says it all.
More absurdity:- even if all 3 teams lose this week, San Francisco can STILL win the division as long as Seattle loses to either Tampa or St. Louis.

- Arizona can still win the division, but only if St. Louis and Seattle TIE in Week 17

- don't forget about the AFC Central and the AFC West: we could still end up with 8-8 playoff teams in both divisions -- each could end up hosting 11-5 wild card teams while two other 11-5 teams stay home. (linky)
The tie part is not true with Arizona.If they finish tied for first with St Louis at 7-9 (and the other teams are 6-10 or worse) they get the tiebreaker.

-QG

 
TommyGilmore said:
- even if all 3 teams lose this week, San Francisco can STILL win the division as long as Seattle loses to either Tampa or St. Louis.
SEA is on the road at TB, they are a horrible road team.sadly, SF has a great shot to keep Singletary and A.Smith next year.....ugh
 
TommyGilmore said:
- Arizona can still win the division, but only if St. Louis and Seattle TIE in Week 17
The tie part is not true with Arizona.If they finish tied for first with St Louis at 7-9 (and the other teams are 6-10 or worse) they get the tiebreaker.
:thumbup: The Yahoo Scenario Generator gives the division title to St. Louis in that situation. St. Louis would have a 3-3 division record to Arizona's 2-4 record. I can't find a way to bring St. Louis' division record down to 2-4 without giving the division title to San Francisco or Seattle.
 

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