If they re-picked the 2004 NFL Draft (1 Viewer)

[Borat]

I was watching something the other day and someone (I believe it was Mortenson, but I could be wrong) said that he talked to a number of pro scouts, and the consensus was that if the teams could re-pick the 2004 draft, the top 3 QBs off the board would still get drafted in the same order (Manning first, Rivers second, Roethlisberger third). I'm not sure I agree with that, and I was curious as to what you guys thought.

For clarification purposes, we're imagining that the year is 2004, you are the GM with the #1 pick in the draft, and you know now what you didn't know then about these quarterbacks. And also, Eli Manning is not acting like a little girl and is willing to play for your team.

For the second question, I've pretty much ignored JP Losman and jumped right to Matt Schaub because I don't think anyone would rank Losman higher than any of these guys at this point.

 

[-OZ-]

Would all 3 go below Tommie Harris?

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I was watching something the other day and someone (I believe it was Mortenson, but I could be wrong) said that he talked to a number of pro scouts, and the consensus was that if the teams could re-pick the 2004 draft, the top 3 QBs off the board would still get drafted in the same order (Manning first, Rivers second, Roethlisberger third). I'm not sure I agree with that, and I was curious as to what you guys thought.For clarification purposes, we're imagining that the year is 2004, you are the GM with the #1 pick in the draft, and you know now what you didn't know then about these quarterbacks. And also, Eli Manning is not acting like a little girl and is willing to play for your team.For the second question, I've pretty much ignored JP Losman and jumped right to Matt Schaub because I don't think anyone would rank Losman higher than any of these guys at this point.

I would tend to agree with the pro scouts.

 

[Borat]

Would all 3 go below Tommie Harris?

I'm sure we could all name some players that would go higher, and some that would go lower. But that's not what this thread is about.

 

[my man otis]

Hate to bust the party but I think it's too early to answer re: Rivers.

I'd still say Eli before Ben but the SB win certainly throws a wrench in the machine.

 

[Iron_Far]

Would all 3 go below Tommie Harris?

I'm sure we could all name some players that would go higher, and some that would go lower. But that's not what this thread is about.

Way to put him in his place.

 

[-OZ-]

Would all 3 go below Tommie Harris?

I'm sure we could all name some players that would go higher, and some that would go lower. But that's not what this thread is about.

Way to put him in his place.

Gee, I'm so embarrassed. Let's ask the same question every year until these 3 retire.

 

[cstu]

I think it's just as confusing as it was then. Manning has had the most chances to throw the ball but has been up and down doing so. Ben was great up until the SB at managing the game but hasn't been nearly as good as he was. Rivers is just getting a chance and has looked good in the limited chances he's had to throw.

Ben makes it hard to say because the way he's easily the first choice playing the way he did his first two years. I think it's a toss up between Manning and Rivers.

 

[Blick]

You would have to be very short sighted to put Rivers ahead of Ben at this point? Rivers has only done for 5 games what Ben did for over 2 dozen.

I think have to vote for Manning, Ben, Rivers. But the jury is still way out on all three of them, especially Rivers.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Do we know the motorcycle accident happened and destroys it Roethlisberger's pocket presence?

 

[Borat]

Do we know the motorcycle accident happened and destroys it Roethlisberger's pocket presence?

No, but we do know that he's enough of a knucklehead to get on the motorcycle helmetless.

 

[wharf rat]

I am convinced at this point that Manning > Ben. The jury is still out on Rivers but at this point if I had to throw to win I'd probably take Rivers over Ben.

 

[ren hoek]

I went Rivers/Manning/Roethlisberger.

I love Rivers' energy and accuracy, and in time I think he'll ultimately be regarded as the best quarterback out of this group. Manning is an excellent passer, but I still think he's a femaledog for not going to SD. Roethlisberger has definitely regressed/deteriorated since the injury, and before we got a chance to see Rivers play I may have rated him #2 in this argument, but I feel pretty assured in saying that he's the clear #3 out of this group up to this point.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Very interesting. Amazing how 3-4 games can change public perception. You guys do realize that Elisha and Rivers have never won a playoff game right? Ben almost single-handedly won playoff games at Cincy, at Indy and at Denver last year. Manning has had many games like Roethlisberger's last three. The jury is still out on Rivers. Roethlisberger has played like a dog in three games this year but lets not forget his first 31. Manning and Rivers may end up being great QBs but until they go 27-7 or win a Super Bowl I'm not sure how you can put them ahead of Roethlisberger.

 

[ren hoek]

Very interesting. Amazing how 3-4 games can change public perception. You guys do realize that Eli and Rivers have never won a playoff game right? Ben almost single-handedly won playoff games at Cincy, at Indy and at Denver last year. Manning has had many games like Roethlisberger's last three. The jury is still out on Rivers. Roethlisberger has played like a dog in three games this year but lets not forget his first 31. Manning and Rivers may end up being great QBs but until they go 27-7 or win a Super Bowl I'm not sure how you can put them ahead of Roethlisberger.

Isn't Kyle Orton like 9-3 as a starter or something?Certainly the Steelers have won with Roethlisberger's help rather than in spite of him, but let's not forget that football is as much a team sport as any other and wins and losses are decided in great part by the strength of the team around the QB..

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Very interesting. Amazing how 3-4 games can change public perception. You guys do realize that Elisha and Rivers have never won a playoff game right? Ben almost single-handedly won playoff games at Cincy, at Indy and at Denver last year. Manning has had many games like Roethlisberger's last three. The jury is still out on Rivers. Roethlisberger has played like a dog in three games this year but lets not forget his first 31. Manning and Rivers may end up being great QBs but until they go 27-7 or win a Super Bowl I'm not sure how you can put them ahead of Roethlisberger.

Ben is a good QB, but don't forget he was put in the perfect situation for a rookie QB.I would say Manning first, and than it would be a toss up (jury is still out on Rivers).

 

[TitusIII]

From a pure talent standpoint, the order wouldn't change.

 

[Da Guru]

Atlantas WRs would actually be worth something is Schaub was the starter.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Very interesting. Amazing how 3-4 games can change public perception. You guys do realize that Eli and Rivers have never won a playoff game right? Ben almost single-handedly won playoff games at Cincy, at Indy and at Denver last year. Manning has had many games like Roethlisberger's last three. The jury is still out on Rivers. Roethlisberger has played like a dog in three games this year but lets not forget his first 31. Manning and Rivers may end up being great QBs but until they go 27-7 or win a Super Bowl I'm not sure how you can put them ahead of Roethlisberger.

Isn't Kyle Orton like 9-3 as a starter or something?Certainly the Steelers have won with Roethlisberger's help rather than in spite of him, but let's not forget that football is as much a team sport as any other and wins and losses are decided in great part by the strength of the team around the QB..

I think it would be difficult to argue that Roethlisberger has more offensive talent around him than either Eli Manning or Philip Rivers.

 

[gocats]

Rivers > Ben

 

[ren hoek]

Very interesting. Amazing how 3-4 games can change public perception. You guys do realize that Eli and Rivers have never won a playoff game right? Ben almost single-handedly won playoff games at Cincy, at Indy and at Denver last year. Manning has had many games like Roethlisberger's last three. The jury is still out on Rivers. Roethlisberger has played like a dog in three games this year but lets not forget his first 31. Manning and Rivers may end up being great QBs but until they go 27-7 or win a Super Bowl I'm not sure how you can put them ahead of Roethlisberger.

Isn't Kyle Orton like 9-3 as a starter or something?Certainly the Steelers have won with Roethlisberger's help rather than in spite of him, but let's not forget that football is as much a team sport as any other and wins and losses are decided in great part by the strength of the team around the QB..

I think it would be difficult to argue that Roethlisberger has more offensive talent around him than either Eli Manning or Philip Rivers.

I'd agree with that. I'm just saying that the W-L argument is flawed in my honest opinion. It's not like you can just plug Roethlisberger into the Texans and then they go 27-7 and make it to the Super Bowl.

 

[ren hoek]

I'm not sure I agree with that, and I was curious as to what you guys thought.

what was your opinion?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Interesting that as well as Eli played early and as poorly as Ben played early their QB ratings are now almost identical for 2006.

Eli 81.0

Ben 78.1

 

[EBF]

Tough to argue against Roethlisberger at this point.

I can't understand the Eli Manning love around here. He has to be one of the more overrated QBs in the game.

 

[dwarfboy]

Atlantas WRs would actually be worth something is Schaub was the starter.

Atlanta wide receivers would be worth something if they could catch the football consistently. I think Schaub is still a project, but he will eventually get his chance. It won't be in Atlanta unless Vick gets hurt.

 

[Kai's Hero]

Do we know the motorcycle accident happened and destroys it Roethlisberger's pocket presence?

Not sure, but what we do know, is that you can't put a sentence together.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Tough to argue against Roethlisberger at this point.

I can't understand the Eli Manning love around here. He has to be one of the more overrated QBs in the game.

 

[Cowboys#1]

if i know that ben will win a superbowl in 2 years

im taking him #1 regardless of eli or rivers

no way would any owner not take a superbowl win if they can take it

 

[Borat]

I'm not sure I agree with that, and I was curious as to what you guys thought.

what was your opinion?

I think my order at this point in time would be: Big Ben, Rivers, Eli.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I would package one in a deal where I recieved Tony Romo and a couple more picks....