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i realize i can just to this myself but just wondering has anyone else done out a ranking by VBD through the first 4 weeks?
steveski
Footballguy
Goldfinger007
Footballguy
I'm a Manning fan. He's as good as there ever has been when he has a clean pocket to throw from. So what he's doing so far isn't a surprise to me at all. That said, the toughest part of his schedule has for sure yet to be played. I'm not sold on his OL and I think he could see some real pressure in a few of these games coming up. From following him many years in Indy, I can tell you, he's a different QB with guys in his face. I still think he'll produce but I'm not so sure the gawdy numbers are going to be there all year.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Manning had some great weapons in Indy, but the quartet he has right now is unreal. Adding Welker and Julius to this mix is ridiculous. Still can't believe the Pats let Welker go for Glassendola.
DT/Welker/Decker/JT >>> Harrison/Wayne/Clark
That said, losing Clady for the season hurts a lot and I get what you are saying. No QB is immune to heavy pressure.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I'm in a keep one and I can see I will have a real dilemma next year: McCoy or Graham. I've never in 23 years seen a TE go round one but I might have to next year.
In all honesty, I think I'd take Graham number one if we were drafting today. This start is like Calvin's was two years ago. He won't keep this up but man it's an amazing advantage.
In all honesty, I think I'd take Graham number one if we were drafting today. This start is like Calvin's was two years ago. He won't keep this up but man it's an amazing advantage.
CalBear
Footballguy
Current top-11 VBD (PFR scoring):
Manning 51
Graham 51
Peterson 46
Charles 41
McCoy 40
Jordan Cameron 35
Cruz 31
Forte 31
Brees 29
Lynch 29
Demaryius Thomas 28
Adjusting for position and likely future production, I think it should go something like:
Peterson
Manning
Charles
McCoy
Graham
Lynch
Forte
D.Thomas
Brees
Rodgers
After that you get a tier with Cameron, Welker, J.Nelson, Rivers, R.Bush, D.Murray, J.Jones, A.Foster, C.Johnson, V.Cruz.
Manning 51
Graham 51
Peterson 46
Charles 41
McCoy 40
Jordan Cameron 35
Cruz 31
Forte 31
Brees 29
Lynch 29
Demaryius Thomas 28
Adjusting for position and likely future production, I think it should go something like:
Peterson
Manning
Charles
McCoy
Graham
Lynch
Forte
D.Thomas
Brees
Rodgers
After that you get a tier with Cameron, Welker, J.Nelson, Rivers, R.Bush, D.Murray, J.Jones, A.Foster, C.Johnson, V.Cruz.
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HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Tough call there. Add Edge to the Harrison/Wayne/Clark side. I'm not going to say that I'm not sold on DT/Decker/JT but they have hardly established themselves (possibly yet) as being among the best of their peers. I think you can say with the quartet of Harrision, Wayne, Clark, Edge that they were all considered top 5 (ish) at their position while they were together.
LawFitz
Footballguy
A. You're forgetting Welker.
B. Having a stud version of Edgerrin would be a negative for Manning's passing explosion this year. Having the Ro Sham Bo trio is a net positive to Manning's passing and fantasy prospects IMO. To maximize passing stats, you need the running game to be effective, but not too good.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
PPR Top 10:
ADP
Charles
Shady
Forte (Interchangeable with Shady)
Graham
Manning
Megatron
Julio (Mega, Julio, Cruz, & D Thomas) depending on who you like the most
Cruz
Thomas
Bush
ADP
Charles
Shady
Forte (Interchangeable with Shady)
Graham
Manning
Megatron
Julio (Mega, Julio, Cruz, & D Thomas) depending on who you like the most
Cruz
Thomas
Bush
buck naked
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Depends on scoring format, but with 6 pt TD passes, knowing what we know now about 2013, if I could go back, I'd pick in order:
Manning
Brees
Graham
Rodgers
Charles
Megatron
McCoy
AP
Demaryius
Dez
Forte
Cameron*
*This guy is a wildcard and would be higher if not such a new name and with a new QB. The Browns offense is a fantasy wildcard this season. Browns, Chargers, Raiders, Eagles, Chiefs, Titans have been the high return, low-cost offenses so far in 2013. Of that group, I would guess three will be real and three fraudulent by years' end.
Manning
Brees
Graham
Rodgers
Charles
Megatron
McCoy
AP
Demaryius
Dez
Forte
Cameron*
*This guy is a wildcard and would be higher if not such a new name and with a new QB. The Browns offense is a fantasy wildcard this season. Browns, Chargers, Raiders, Eagles, Chiefs, Titans have been the high return, low-cost offenses so far in 2013. Of that group, I would guess three will be real and three fraudulent by years' end.
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Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Welker over Demaryius?Khy said:
I disagree.
Thomas has more catches, yards, targets, ypc...Welker does have 2 more tds....for now.
CalBear
Footballguy
I don't see how you can possibly put any RB over Peterson. He's leading the league in RB touches and is tops among top RBs in production per touch. And he's the best RB in the league. You'd really rather have McCoy, who's scored 2 touchdowns in 4 games? I see absolutely no reason to value Forte above Peterson, and even Charles is a tough case.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'd take any of the three, Charles, McCoy, AP without stressing one way or the other. Any of them could be the #1 this year and the other two shouldn't be too far behind, assuming health for each. Charles in PPR has been a beast. He is Andy Reid's new McCoy. AP is the best pure RB, but I grade his coach and QBs well below the other two and admittedly, I value situation more than most.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I look forward to seeing the list in 4 more weeks. People totally dismissing AJ Green because of his lockdowns with Ike Taylor and Joe Haden. He's gonna blow up.
CalBear
Footballguy
Let me check...is Andy Dalton still his QB? [Checks]
Sorry, no, he doesn't make the Calvin Johnson/Jordy Nelson/Wes Welker tier.
encaitar
Footballguy
Last year the Vikings used a fullback in front of Peterson on a high percentage of his rushing plays for the first time in his career. He had over 2000 yards. The first 3 games of this year Peterson looked good, but seemed to not have any running lanes. This week, the Vikings got Jerome Felton back from his DUI suspension and Peterson exploded for 140 running behind his fullback again. Coincidence?
There is no better situation for a RB in this league. He's the best RB in the league. His coach knows it. His QB sucks so the team will run it 25 times a game. Anyone without AP on the top of his list of RBs for fantasy is doing it for reasons other than fantasy reality. He's almost a lock for 100 yards and a score and his ceiling is 200 and 3 scores(or more).
Anyway, my top ten if drafting right now would be:
Peterson
Charles
Manning
McCoy
Forte
Graham
Bush
Megatron
Dez
D Thomas
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jurb26
Footballguy
PPR Rankings for me;
1. Charles, this dude is on pace to catch 92 passes... NINETY TWO!
2. Peterson
3. McCoy
4. Graham
5. Manning
6. Calvin
7. Bush
8. Green
9. D. Thomas
10. Forte
11. Jordan
12. D. Bryant
13. Brees
14. Lynch
15. J. Jones
16. Weaker
17. Murray
18. Cruse
19. Rivers
20. Marshall
1. Charles, this dude is on pace to catch 92 passes... NINETY TWO!
2. Peterson
3. McCoy
4. Graham
5. Manning
6. Calvin
7. Bush
8. Green
9. D. Thomas
10. Forte
11. Jordan
12. D. Bryant
13. Brees
14. Lynch
15. J. Jones
16. Weaker
17. Murray
18. Cruse
19. Rivers
20. Marshall
Run It Up
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
I'm guessing you don't have the KC D.... Lol. Seriously, they are like a top 10 overall scorer in all my leagues.Why am I 2-2
Short Corner
Footballguy
CalBear
Footballguy
Tell me about it: 2-2 with Brees, Peterson, Charles, D.Thomas, and J.Cameron (auction keeper league before anyone starts in on that). #1 scorer by 60 points. Shizzle happens.Why am I 2-2
Run It Up
Footballguy
Same, auction league.Tell me about it: 2-2 with Brees, Peterson, Charles, D.Thomas, and J.Cameron (auction keeper league before anyone starts in on that). #1 scorer by 60 points. Shizzle happens.Why am I 2-2
Danny Amendola, Shane Vereen my WR2 and RB3 out of commission since week 1.
To make matters even worse, its a start 2TE league and I own Graham, Julius and Cook - 2nd in points for, 1st in points against. Thems the breaks.
Khy
Footballguy
I'd kill to be 2-2... I'm currently 0-4 with the 3rd highest point total in the league. Everyone that's played me has out performed their season average (even taking into account the week they played me) by over 20 points. Mind you, this is a low scoring league where the 'average' weekly score in the league is around 75-80 and the top end scores where the whole teams blow up are around 115... so outscoring your average by 20 points is pretty amazing. Sitting in this redraft with Charles (#2 RB), Graham (#1 TE), Antonio Brown (#5 WR) and somehow I'm 0-4. It's been real rough these past few weeks.Tell me about it: 2-2 with Brees, Peterson, Charles, D.Thomas, and J.Cameron (auction keeper league before anyone starts in on that). #1 scorer by 60 points. Shizzle happens.Why am I 2-2
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I just figured I would use this to drop a note on a couple guys I wish I had focused more on:
- Antonio Brown - for some reason since they came into the league I have always liked Sanders better, always thought he would be the better pro (Sanders kept getting injured), thought he ran better routes (but it was Brown who actually did), would have the breakout season (it was Brown), and then would get Wallace's deep role (it was Brown anyway). I give up, Brown is awesome. - Now Haley is probably going to leave, doesn't matter, right?
- Julian Edelman - as Gronk insurance. I worked on this during the offseason, trying to figure out who would be getting the Hernandez, Lloyd and Gronk numbers while Gronk was out. I guess I and others hit on Vereen, and I think the evidence was there last year to see Edelman was the one who benefited when Gronk was out last year, but he got repeatedly ignored for Thompkins, Amendola, Dobson and Boyce (even Sudfeld) at draft time. I hate it when the answer is right there in front of your face and you refuse to see it.
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Timmay
Footballguy
I wish I would have drafted more rookie RB's. After seeing Alfred Morris and Doug Martin last year run rampant, I figured it wasn't bound to happen 2 years in a row, so I stayed away from the likes of Lacy, Gio, and Bell-who all came on after a few weeks. Thank God I was able to pickup Zac Stacy off waivers to save my season.
17seconds
root of all aliai
I'm looking back at ADP going into the season. Since it was a strange year for RBs, I like to look at that to see what would have been the safest position to take in the 1st. IMO this should be a goal of more experienced FF owners because you are going to have a value advantage in the later round picks and managing the team throughout the season. It's the early round busts that can really kill your advantage over other owners.
Here are the groups of players by position who, within reason, you could have taken in the first round:
RB
Peterson *
Martin -
Richardson -
Spiller -
Charles *
McCoy *
Rice -
Morris
Lynch *
Foster -
Forte *
WR/TE
Calvin *
Graham *
AJ Green *
QB
Brees *
Rogers -
Manning *
I've got * if they performed in the ballpark of expectations or better and a - if they were a bust. Alf I had neither because he was below expectations but not a bust.
If you look at it this way, you had a 50% chance of your 1st round RB meeting or exceeding expectations, a 100% chance of your 1st round WR meeting or exceeding expectations, and a 66% chance of your 1st round QB meeting or exceeding expectations.
If your goal is to avoid your #1 pick being a bust, then RB 1st round may not be the best choice.
Thoughts?
Here are the groups of players by position who, within reason, you could have taken in the first round:
RB
Peterson *
Martin -
Richardson -
Spiller -
Charles *
McCoy *
Rice -
Morris
Lynch *
Foster -
Forte *
WR/TE
Calvin *
Graham *
AJ Green *
QB
Brees *
Rogers -
Manning *
I've got * if they performed in the ballpark of expectations or better and a - if they were a bust. Alf I had neither because he was below expectations but not a bust.
If you look at it this way, you had a 50% chance of your 1st round RB meeting or exceeding expectations, a 100% chance of your 1st round WR meeting or exceeding expectations, and a 66% chance of your 1st round QB meeting or exceeding expectations.
If your goal is to avoid your #1 pick being a bust, then RB 1st round may not be the best choice.
Thoughts?
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CalBear
Footballguy
Here's my rule: Draft good players.
Good RBs are worth more than good WRs or QBs, but drafting marginal RBs just because they're RBs makes no sense. I think Charles, Peterson, and Forte were obvious solid picks going into the season; after that the rest of the first-round RBs all had questions, so you have to look at sure(ish) things at other positions. The really top QBs, WRs and TEs are all more solid picks than second-tier RBs.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Yes, but the implied premise of what I wrote is that we had about 10 RBs that were all at the same level. First round RBs were a crapshoot this year and we even knew it going into the draft. If you had a middle pick you were just throwing a dart at the RB list.CalBear said:
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