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I'm sure any PHI fans are hoping for Garcia as well.
I agree that the choice was obvious.Two months ago, going into the training camps, Kolb was on the roster and Garcia was on the street, and the Eagles were rolling with Kolb.One month ago, going into the preseason, Kolb was on the roster and Garcia was on the street, and the Eagles were rolling with Kolb.One week ago, going into the season, Kolb was on the roster and Garcia was on the street, and the Eagles were rolling with Kolb.If Eagles brass really preferred Jeff Garcia, why the hell didn't they sign him at any point within the last three months? It might be helpful if the guy you imagined as your top backup was... you know... actually on the team. Learning the playbook. Working with the receivers. Little stuff like that.
The bolded one is the only one that is true. Garcia was a Raider all preseason.
And it's only true by 4 days, as Garcia was just cut on the 5th.
edit: I still agree with the crux of SSOG's point: there's a reason they kept Kolb and not Garcia.
It had nothing to do with the fact that they may have had ONE QB healthy for the game if they didn't sign somebody? PU-LEASE! 
Only a fool would assume Garcia will last more then 2 weeks on the roster (barring another injury)Garcia is over-rated at this point in his career. Kolb has shown nothing to this point, but he was supposed to be the heir-apparent. It's kind of silly to write him off before he has a single start where he's practiced with the 1's all week instead of running the scout team.I like the insurance Garcia represents, but Kolb needs this start. Let's not pretend this is the Ravens or Giants defense he's playing...the Saints may be a good team, but their strengths aren't in the pass rush or secondary.
:whoosh: If you start Garcia, then your officially giving up on Kolb and honestly would just e a wasted space on the team/practice field. The kid has only played in two games and albeit they were both bad you need a bigger sample size to evaluate if he can be successful.It had nothing to do with the fact that they may have had ONE QB healthy for the game if they didn't sign somebody? PU-LEASE!
Only a fool would assume Garcia will last more then 2 weeks on the roster (barring another injury)Garcia is over-rated at this point in his career. Kolb has shown nothing to this point, but he was supposed to be the heir-apparent. It's kind of silly to write him off before he has a single start where he's practiced with the 1's all week instead of running the scout team.I like the insurance Garcia represents, but Kolb needs this start. Let's not pretend this is the Ravens or Giants defense he's playing...the Saints may be a good team, but their strengths aren't in the pass rush or secondary.
This.I hope Kolb will play well this weekend. If for nothing else, then he will raise his trade value. But I think he has the physical tools to be a good QB. Garcia when he was here a few years ago couldn't throw past 20 yards.
I don't feel bad for him one bit. For one, he's getting paid very well to play a game he loves. The Eagles had him ranked higher than a lot of other teams so it wasn't like he would have gone higher and gotten more money with another team. Also, I agree that he hasn't had a lot of time in real game play but he hasn't shown the team that he's really ready to be the guy (in practice, offseason, etc.), as shown by the Vick signing. He had a whole year to learn the system. It's time for him to show that he's ready to play.Regarding the question, I would hope that they start Garcia, assuming that he can get on the same page with the receivers/Oline in this short period of time, but the system shouldn't have changed much at all.
Vick is a project plain and simple. Reid saw the chance to add a playmaker and a player that other teams have to game plan around no matter who the QB is. If you saw the final preseason game, you would know that Vick is not ready to be a full time QB. He is on the Eagles because of his potential, not because anybody else was bad. Therefore, the Vick signing is not evidence of anything other than Reid trying to improve the team. On practice.... Kolb has never prepared to be a starter for a real NFL game because McNabb always practices with the starters. Do not underestimate the value of practicing with the players you are going to play with on Sundays.
I disagree. I think Vick was brought in to be the #2 because the team didn't think Kolb was ready for the #2 role.
You understand that that makes no sense whatsoever?Vick is essentially on a 1 year deal (the 2nd is at $5 mil per so they probably intend to trade him unless something catastrophic happens to McNabb). They went into preseason with nothing but Feely and Kolb for #2 and 3. Andy is stubborn to a fault with his draft picks, good or bad. Why on earth would he bring ion Vick for 1 year as the #2, admit he messed up with the Kolb pick and destroy any confidence Kolb had as the #2?Even my psycho wife understand this.
Have anything to back up your claim? I seriously doubt that Vick would be starting now if he was active. Did you see the final preseason game? There is no comparision between Kolb and Vick right now. I would feel less confident with Vick in as the QB now.Anyhow, here is what Reid had to say on the issue, he seems pretty adamant about Kolb being the number two:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2009...s__No_2_QB.html
How does it not make sense?You even say "nothing but Feely and Kolb for #2 and 3" so you adknowledge the fact that after McNabb, their back-ups suck. Now, maybe Vick won't be listed right now as the #2 due to his suspension and all, but I really think that if this was an important game and they had to choose between Vick and Kolb, they would choose Vick.You understand that that makes no sense whatsoever?Vick is essentially on a 1 year deal (the 2nd is at $5 mil per so they probably intend to trade him unless something catastrophic happens to McNabb). They went into preseason with nothing but Feely and Kolb for #2 and 3. Andy is stubborn to a fault with his draft picks, good or bad. Why on earth would he bring ion Vick for 1 year as the #2, admit he messed up with the Kolb pick and destroy any confidence Kolb had as the #2?Even my psycho wife understand this.
It doesn't surprise me that Reid would say that. Vick is still the new guy and Reid wants to save face. Kolb was his pick. Give it time.
I really, really, REALLY don't get all the Vick love. Guy's barely touched a football in two+ years, and was not exactly a stellar passer then. I love the mismatches and packages Vick brings to the table...but no way on God's green earth would I want to see him starting at QB this early in his comeback.
You haven't been paying much attention then.
well, I think they need to start Kolb, but for different reasons.Garcia may be the better player, but he still needs to bring himself up to speed on the new twists to the offense.if you want to have an actual game plan, Kolb is the man and has to be for this week anyways. If he does not perform, Garcia may be the man in the second half or in week 3 (unless the team decides to go with Vick in week 3)
I agree. and I dont think he's yet fully in tune with Andy Reid's version of the west coast offense. He may be a superior athlete in every way to Garcia, but I wouldnt be surprised if Garcia remains ahead of him on the depth chart for at least another 2-3 weeks.the progress Vick makes is going to be directly related to his ability to absorb & learn the west coast offense and his ability to shake the rust off. I'm sure when Philly signed him, they were thinking they wouldnt have to play him much this year (if at all) and that he may be ready to actually play by mid season. Obviously with McNabb out, this plan has gone sideways. I guess we will have to wait & see. If Kolb performs next week Reid wont Play anyone else in week 3 unless McNabb is ready to play. If he plays poorly, we will see Garcia or Vick. My money is on Garcia based on my rationale for Vick noted above.Keep in mind, I'm not saying Garcia is better. I'm saying he knows the Philly offense better than Vick and I think Reid would prefer to have a full playbook going into week 3.
That never happened. Garcia signed a 1-year deal, played well when McNabb got hurt, and then left because Tampa gave him a starting job.
I can explain the Vick love, it's rather simple, broken down by segment. Note that logic & clear thinking isn't required, this is just what the segments are thinking:Group A: McNabb haters
That would be the best move, cause 2 qb's breathing down Mcnabbs neck. That will just be to much for Mcnabb and as soon as things do not go good in Philly it will all start. Not to mention what is Vick thinking if they keep Garcia. He will not be happy. Not sure why Philly put themselves in this situation cause they have great team chemistry and this puts that in question. Drop Garcia once Mcnabb is back if not big trouble is looming as it may with just Vick being on the roster. Take it from someone who knows about team chemistry problems.
Agreed, but it doesn't completely explain all of the non-Eagles fans and their irrational postions. I'm astounded at how many ridiculous claims and schools of thought there are on this topic.
Agreed, but it doesn't completely explain all of the non-Eagles fans and their irrational postions. I'm astounded at how many ridiculous claims and schools of thought there are on this topic.
I hate the fact that you're 100% correct. It's an embarrassment as an Eagles fan.
