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If you're born with a woo-woo, it's sex. If you identify, it's simply a choice. Now pick your bathroom to dump in. (1 Viewer)

rockaction

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Gender is a pernicious concept, one adopted and rejected by even the government when identifying biologically by genitalia. True story. Look it up. 

 
Pooping and politics is the wheelhouse for a lot of posters in here. This topic is good for about 20 pages IMO.

 
VandyMan said:
What feeling is that clause meant to instill into the reader?
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Great point. I meant to point out that even as progressive as our bureaucratic government has gotten -- and it's quite obvious they have == even they reneged upon the sloppy logic that tied identity up with biological sex. It was a heady moment in the nineties for radical, third-wave LGBT advocates, and even the government wouldn't withstand it in the later aughts. It's front-and-center in the Wiki argument about transgender stuff, last I read. The FDA allowed a "gender" identification, the government doesn't. 

That is not to cite authority. It simply points out the problems with co-ed bathrooms.  

 
McGarnicle said:
Woo-woo?
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Yeah, it's colloquial for ###### where I'm from. My woo-woo. That's what the girls call it at times. 

So, if you're born (or intersexed) with one, you use the women's room, if you identify, you go to the women's room as a male but as an identifying woman. That's the thread title, in a nutshell. 

 
rockaction said:
Yeah, it's colloquial for ###### where I'm from. My woo-woo. That's what the girls call it at times. 

So, if you're born (or intersexed) with one, you use the women's room, if you identify, you go to the women's room as a male but as an identifying woman. That's the thread title, in a nutshell. 
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We used to call it the baby hole.

 
Walking Boot said:
We need 13 separate bathrooms:

Cis Male
Cis Female
Trans M to F
Trans F to M
Cross-dressing M as F
Cross-dressing F as M
Cis Male (stands while wiping)
Cis Female (stands while wiping)
Trans M to F (stands while wiping)
Trans F to M (stands while wiping)
Cis Male (side wiper)
Cis Male (spits in the urinal before peeing)
Jews
 
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:lmao: Do they pass the plate?  

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
People sure do care a lot about stupid ####.
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I agree, but it's important simply because of induction and experience and biological determination. 

Gender as a qualifier led to these public accommodation issues, and it deserves to be discussed as a function of language and definitions, IMO. 

 
rockaction said:
I agree, but it's important simply because of induction and experience and biological determination. 

Gender as a qualifier led to these public accommodation issues, and it deserves to be discussed as a function of language and definitions, IMO. 
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Son, I didn't understand a word you just said.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Son, I didn't understand a word you just said.
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Substituting the traditional notions of "sex" for "gender" caused a movement from biological determinism to identity determinism. It caused this bathroom problem. 

For instance, if bathrooms are based on "sex," those people with penises have to use the men's room. 

If bathrooms are based on "gender," then it becomes self-defined. Gendered people can use whatever bathrooms they want at their whim. 

That's why the movement from determinism, i.e., sex, to identity, i.e., gender, made public accommodations law problematic. 

It's also why the government does not ask you for your gender anymore, but rather, your sex.  

 
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I hope FBGs is keeping track of these thread title last all youze bastids should be appreciative.

 
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rockaction said:
Substituting the traditional notions of "sex" for "gender" caused a movement from biological determinism to identity determinism. It caused this bathroom problem. 

For instance, if bathrooms are based on "sex," those people with penises have to use the men's room. 

If bathrooms are based on "gender," then it becomes self-defined. Gendered people can use whatever bathrooms they want at their whim. 

That's why the movement from determinism, i.e., sex, to identity, i.e., gender, made public accommodations law problematic. 

It's also why the government does not ask you for your gender anymore, but rather, your sex.  
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Well, here's my two cents, since you didn't ask:

Any individual has every right to look, dress, act, and feel however they want without the fear of persecution, belittlement, or intimidation.  They have the right to take hormones, get surgery, and do whatever else they feel necessary to feel comfortable in their bodies and mind.

That being said...bathrooms, dressing rooms, locker rooms, etc. should be restricted to and defined by a person's sex.  I'm speaking anatomically here.  To paraphrase Johnny Cochran, "If the dong hangs low, to the men's room you go".  At that point, you're no longer talking about just your comfort, but the comfort of others.  Just as others respect your feelings, you must respect others. 

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Well, here's my two cents, since you didn't ask:

Any individual has every right to look, dress, act, and feel however they want without the fear of persecution, belittlement, or intimidation.  They have the right to take hormones, get surgery, and do whatever else they feel necessary to feel comfortable in their bodies and mind.

That being said...bathrooms, dressing rooms, locker rooms, etc. should be restricted to and defined by a person's sex.  I'm speaking anatomically here.  To paraphrase Johnny Cochran, "If the dong hangs low, to the men's room you go".  At that point, you're no longer talking about just your comfort, but the comfort of others.  Just as others respect your feelings, you must respect others. 
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I couldn't agree more. I think we're on the same page. My "pick the bathroom you dump in" was getting at sex reassignment.  

 
All I know is that if I'm pooping in a public stall,  I get weirded out if someone sits down in the stall next to me. I don't care if it's a male, female, tran, or whatever other options there are.  Just go away and let me drop bombs in peace. 

 
Nah.  I really don't care.  I was just amused by the glitches in the new board software.

On co-ed, is the question whether we care who hears our poops plop, or about the appropriateness of using a non-deterministic function to distinguish who should go where?

 
VandyMan said:
Nah.  I really don't care.  I was just amused by the glitches in the new board software.

On co-ed, is the question whether we care who hears our poops plop, or about the appropriateness of using a non-deterministic function to distinguish who should go where?
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It's really about this, and about time we had a debate about fluidity, choice, determinism, and the public sphere when it comes to accommodations.  

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Well, here's my two cents, since you didn't ask:

Any individual has every right to look, dress, act, and feel however they want without the fear of persecution, belittlement, or intimidation.  They have the right to take hormones, get surgery, and do whatever else they feel necessary to feel comfortable in their bodies and mind.

That being said...bathrooms, dressing rooms, locker rooms, etc. should be restricted to and defined by a person's sex.  I'm speaking anatomically here.  To paraphrase Johnny Cochran, "If the dong hangs low, to the men's room you go".  At that point, you're no longer talking about just your comfort, but the comfort of others.  Just as others respect your feelings, you must respect others. 
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This will hopefully make things more comfortable.

We should teach people good ways to enforce this law, too.  "I'm sorry, I don't believe you belong in here.  Please show me your vag."

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Well, here's my two cents, since you didn't ask:

Any individual has every right to look, dress, act, and feel however they want without the fear of persecution, belittlement, or intimidation.  They have the right to take hormones, get surgery, and do whatever else they feel necessary to feel comfortable in their bodies and mind.

That being said...bathrooms, dressing rooms, locker rooms, etc. should be restricted to and defined by a person's sex.  I'm speaking anatomically here.  To paraphrase Johnny Cochran, "If the dong hangs low, to the men's room you go".  At that point, you're no longer talking about just your comfort, but the comfort of others.  Just as others respect your feelings, you must respect others. 
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The clown actually has some sense?  Who knew?

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Well, here's my two cents, since you didn't ask:

Any individual has every right to look, dress, act, and feel however they want without the fear of persecution, belittlement, or intimidation.  They have the right to take hormones, get surgery, and do whatever else they feel necessary to feel comfortable in their bodies and mind.
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Can we do a carve out for guys with scarves, man buns or Vespas?

 
I don't care who is dumping in the stall next to me.  Assuming the stall is doing its job of separating us.  

 
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Henry Ford said:
Your opinion is that we should restrict access based on an unenforceable standard?
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What's unenforceable about it? And at what point does unenforceability become a standard for the invalidity of statutory (drafted) law. See, you still think legalisms and judiciary extension of analogy. You forget the potential for drafting laws. If we want to, sure we can have the TSA at the bathroom. 

*Is it practical? No. Is it sane? Probably not. But is a 6'4" guy named Dirty Delta that Japanese businessmen #### in the closet of a (cat) piss-stained Vegas room who snorts all your cocaine and lolls around naked (with penis) in your suite at the Stardust to wake up in the morning and put a red high heel into a cab while wearing camo clothing and walk back to the bar to buy more cocaine and then loll around in your suite tub naked some more sane? 

Probably not.

The women scared of these guys are not shrinking wallflowers. These guys can be big.  

*eta no hyperbole -- true story 

 
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