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Vick is 'a god' in Atlanta too, but that doesn't necessarily make him a great QB.
They'd have to franchise tag him first, as he's a unrestricted free agent I believe.And to answer your question.... it won't happen.
Taking Young would probably be the worst thing that the team could do. The team has already invested heavily in David Carr and there's absolutely no guarantee that Young will be any better. I suppose you could argue that the team is also invested heavily in Domanick Davis and that there's absolutely no guarantee that Bush will be any better. That's true, but the consensus in scouting circles is that Bush is a can't miss player. I think you'd get a much wider variety of opinions about Young. Some teams will love him. Some teams will hate him. Most would agree that he carries more risk than Bush.
I agree it's horrible, but I don't think a #1 pick on a defensive player is worth it when they can get Bush ... Why not spend their 2, 3 & 4th picks on defensive players? I say just grab Bush while you have the chance!Is there a defensive player that stands out in your mind that they need? I don't follow college ball too much ...
And their offense is worst then their defense.
I don't want to hijack my own thread, but I think Vick IS an exciting player. Every time he touches the ball, something exciting is going to happen. A long TD run, or a scramble followed by an interception ran back for a TD.He's definitely a drawing card.
Wow - did not Dom Davis was the only player on the field - stupid comment by Traders
Preachin' to the choir Kleck!What's Houston's deal on attendance? Have they been selling out, or are they having problems filling their stadium?
Davis was the only bright spot on the entire team. Agreed he's an above-average injury risk, but that doesn't make him a bad RB, it make him an unreliable RB. I'd also argue that almost any QB behind that line is worthless. Do you honestly think Peyton would have been more than 500 yds and 2-3 TDs better than Carr? Carr < Manning, but no one can make throws from their back. Peyton behind that line = Archie. That said, I voted multiple picks. They have too many holes. Yes, Bush is as close to can't miss as you can get, but as you pointed out, where did DD take them? A good RB behind a bad OL with a bad D is the definition of worthless. No holes to run in, and no leads to protect means he does what DD did, only with less injuries. The Texans need to think like the early 90's Cowboys and use 2-3 drafts to get a lot of solid players.
I feel confident in saying that no NFL team in its right mind would trade a first round pick for Domanick Davis. I'm admittedly not a Davis fan, but I think his FF success has clouded peoples' minds regarding his NFL value. He's a good back, but he's been painfully inconsistent throughout his entire career. More importantly, he's never stayed healthy for an entire season. He managed to play 15 games in 2004, but he was slowed throughout a decent portion of the season by ankle injuries.NFL teams will occasional tolerate a fragile RB, but in those cases the player tends to be a truly special talent (Fred Taylor). Davis has had some big games and is a nice weapon as a receiver, but I don't think NFL teams consider him the type of gamebreaking talent that they want to invest heavily in.Davis was the only bright spot on the entire team. Agreed he's an above-average injury risk, but that doesn't make him a bad RB, it make him an unreliable RB. I'd also argue that almost any QB behind that line is worthless. Do you honestly think Peyton would have been more than 500 yds and 2-3 TDs better than Carr? Carr < Manning, but no one can make throws from their back. Peyton behind that line = Archie. That said, I voted multiple picks. They have too many holes. Yes, Bush is as close to can't miss as you can get, but as you pointed out, where did DD take them? A good RB behind a bad OL with a bad D is the definition of worthless. No holes to run in, and no leads to protect means he does what DD did, only with less injuries. The Texans need to think like the early 90's Cowboys and use 2-3 drafts to get a lot of solid players.
Maybe this only makes sense to me, but: if they do want to draft bush, why not trade DD to Indy? assuming they let Edge go, and they can't keep Saturday either, sign+trade Saturday and send that low 1st rounder to HOU. DD has good hands and won't want as many carries as edge, meaning Peyton gets to throw as much as he wants....
I'll give you inconsistent, but only as a result of his injuries. Considering the OL he played behind and lack of good QB play (due to OL or not), I think the success he has had is remarkable. Frankly, I think fragile freddy is the most apt comparison to DD. If you put DD in Taylor's situation (Brunell/JSmith/McCardell to take pressure off, decent OL), I think he puts up the same numbers and same missed time from injuries.I feel confident in saying that no NFL team in its right mind would trade a first round pick for Domanick Davis. I'm admittedly not a Davis fan, but I think his FF success has clouded peoples' minds regarding his NFL value. He's a good back, but he's been painfully inconsistent throughout his entire career. More importantly, he's never stayed healthy for an entire season. He managed to play 15 games in 2004, but he was slowed throughout a decent portion of the season by ankle injuries.NFL teams will occasional tolerate a fragile RB, but in those cases the player tends to be a truly special talent (Fred Taylor). Davis has had some big games and is a nice weapon as a receiver, but I don't think NFL teams consider him the type of gamebreaking talent that they want to invest heavily in.Davis was the only bright spot on the entire team. Agreed he's an above-average injury risk, but that doesn't make him a bad RB, it make him an unreliable RB. I'd also argue that almost any QB behind that line is worthless. Do you honestly think Peyton would have been more than 500 yds and 2-3 TDs better than Carr? Carr < Manning, but no one can make throws from their back. Peyton behind that line = Archie. That said, I voted multiple picks. They have too many holes. Yes, Bush is as close to can't miss as you can get, but as you pointed out, where did DD take them? A good RB behind a bad OL with a bad D is the definition of worthless. No holes to run in, and no leads to protect means he does what DD did, only with less injuries. The Texans need to think like the early 90's Cowboys and use 2-3 drafts to get a lot of solid players.
Maybe this only makes sense to me, but: if they do want to draft bush, why not trade DD to Indy? assuming they let Edge go, and they can't keep Saturday either, sign+trade Saturday and send that low 1st rounder to HOU. DD has good hands and won't want as many carries as edge, meaning Peyton gets to throw as much as he wants....
Football fans in general are morons especially when it comes to their own teams; I'm not sure I see your point. That doesn't make much difference when it comes to putting butts in the seat. I have seen Houston area Texans fans on a couple of other boards that I frequent that say they are already so fed up with the Texans terrible start to the franchise that if the Texans do not draft Vince that they will cancel their season tickets now and not even wait.
I'm going to disagree with you there. Davis has had some monster games, but he has a surprisingly high number of games in which he averages under 4.0 and 3.0 YPC. His career YPC is significantly lower than Taylor's and he hasn't shown the same kind of ability to make big plays. In three seasons, Davis has only managed one play of 50+ yards. In eight seasons, Taylor has at least 7 plays of 60+ yards.Anyhow, I think you're selling Fred Taylor short. He's getting old, but when he was in his prime he was considered one of the most talented RBs in the league. I don't think anyone (aside from his FF owners) really thinks Domanick Davis is in that same elite class. If you actually look at the other starting RBs around the league, I think you'll find that it's tough to say that DD is any better than average.
We'll definately have to agree to disagree on this one. You said yourself HOU designed their gameplans around him; opposing DC's did likewise. He was the only guy you had to stop for the Texans last year. Still, he has averaged more than 100 yds from scrimmage every year so far (FF was 2/3 his first 3 years). Fred has a little more speed, DD has much better hands; thus FF will have a few longer plays, DD will have more catches. Each equally valuable. IMHO, the quality of the talent around them is the only difference. For the record, I'm not a DD owner for the same reason I'm not a FF owner. I hate screaming at the T.V. when they're rolling on the ground
. I had freddy in '99 when he missed 6 games and swore I'd stay away from constantly injured players.
What impact would that be? Dom Davis is the starter. The only impact Bush is going to make is against the salary cap.
Exactly what I was saying. They have the talent, they need protection for it. They need some defense so if they do happen to score, they have a chance to win. Did the defense even have double digit sacks as a team?
If you all ready have a probowl back on your roster? Drafting a 5th year pro bowl LT is the answer.
You really think Davis is going to keep Bush off the field? How do you figure that a moderately above average RB is going to hold a starting job over a guy who most scouts feel is in the Marshall Faulk/Gale Sayers class as a prospect? Anything can happen, but if the Texans use 1.01 money on Bush then you'd better believe they're going to give him every chance to pay some dividends.
Actually, no, its the wrong answer. Drafting at a position where you already have a pro-bowler under contract is dubious at best. Lets say they draft Bush this year, suck again because their OL, WR2, WR3, and entire D are the same crap as last year, and end up with a top 3 pick again. If the next Gale Sayers declares for the draft, should they draft him too? Our imaginary RB is touted more highly than any RB ever, will be twice as good as Bush, etc, so by that logic, HOU grabs him too. If you want to be the Detroit Lions, go ahead and draft players you don't need. If you want to win football games, draft players that will fill the glaring holes you have on both sides of the ball. Bold prediction: Reggie Bush will never lead the NFL in tackles, interceptions, sacks, pancake blocks, or any other category the Texans need more of than they need rushing yards.
You can hate Reggie Bush all you want, but hating his talent and abilities is a mistake. Bush would make an obvious upgrade at RB. If, and I would expect and hope, Kubiak keeps Davis involved in the running game that does not mean Bush is sitting on the bench. He is equally dangerous as a WR and in order to use all of Bush's talents I'd be lining him up at WR quite a few times a game. You even stated above that a #2 WR was "absolutely" a need. Bush would not be an every down #2 WR for them, but when called on, I sure like the idea of Davis in the backfield with Johnson, Bush and whoever out wide.I wouldn't be shocked if the addition of Bush could possibly will help Carr from being sacked as often. Not from Bush blocking, but from Bush demanding atleast one player stay on him. That's one less LB or DB to be blitzing and would help give Carr more time. If you look at all the players who sacked Carr you might be surprised at just how many of those sacks came from LB's and blitzing DB's.
You said we were wrong and then totally supported what we said....I am confused.
Both of us said to draft an offensive lineman.
