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If You're Vince Young's Agent (1 Viewer)

Joe Bryant

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Big day for Vince Young. I've no doubt he'll be outstanding at all the physical stuff for his Pro Day.

But the elephant in the corner these guys will really want to talk about is the Wonderlic from the Combine.

If you're in charge of Vince Young's future here today, how do you handle today with regard to his mental capacity?

Address it directly with the scouts?

Have him converse a lot with the scouts to show he's plenty smart and he just had a bad test?

Act like the Wonderlic never happened?

Take some sort of test that could be proved wasn't staged?

What would you do?

J

 
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I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.

 
Act like the Wonderlic never happened?
Pretend it never happened and deal with it one on one with interested parties. If they keep bringing it up it will never die.
 
Joe, I think you have to act like it did not happen. Many times we see someone address an issue like this and all it does is validate the original incident. For example, I can imagine a scenario where the agent says, "I know it has been reported that Vince scored a 6 on the Wonderlic, but that is false. He really scored a 16."

I do not think that even helps. I think this just validates in some people's minds that he scored a 6.

 
Answer questions, but overall don't make a big deal of it - it isn't.

VY needs to play to his strengths, wow the crowd on field, interview well, etc.

I've heard him speak a few times, and he comes off fairly well. He has common sense, which many others lack.

 
I say you ignore the whole Wonderlic and play to his strenghts

I would have him bench, run, do all the drills..especially the shuttles

make him shine

 
I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.
How wild would it be if his agents had him take another Wonderlic at the Pro Day. Make it somehow where some totally legit 3rd party provided the test (I'm sure they could get the official Wonderlic people there to do it) and have him sit down and take it.If he could rip off a 28 there, he might make himself millions.

I'm sure it would never happen, but it could be easy money.

J

 
Answer questions, but overall don't make a big deal of it - it isn't.
Hi OZ, I'd agree this is what they'll probably do - play to his strengths. But I think I'd disagree that it's not a big deal. If he had posted a 27 Wonderlic at the combine, I think Houston would have a very interesting choice on their hands.

J

 
I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.
How wild would it be if his agents had him take another Wonderlic at the Pro Day. Make it somehow where some totally legit 3rd party provided the test (I'm sure they could get the official Wonderlic people there to do it) and have him sit down and take it.If he could rip off a 28 there, he might make himself millions.

I'm sure it would never happen, but it could be easy money.

J
I understand what you're saying, but even if that happened, even if the proctor from the Texas bar exam ran it, you'd have many people thinking this was staged.
 
I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.
How wild would it be if his agents had him take another Wonderlic at the Pro Day. Make it somehow where some totally legit 3rd party provided the test (I'm sure they could get the official Wonderlic people there to do it) and have him sit down and take it.If he could rip off a 28 there, he might make himself millions.

I'm sure it would never happen, but it could be easy money.

J
I understand what you're saying, but even if that happened, even if the proctor from the Texas bar exam ran it, you'd have many people thinking this was staged.
and what if he just isnt real smart and gets another low score...i think they stay away from the wonderlic...im sure his agents arnt even quite sure how he would score on it if he were to take it again...
 
I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.
How wild would it be if his agents had him take another Wonderlic at the Pro Day. Make it somehow where some totally legit 3rd party provided the test (I'm sure they could get the official Wonderlic people there to do it) and have him sit down and take it.If he could rip off a 28 there, he might make himself millions.

I'm sure it would never happen, but it could be easy money.

J
I understand what you're saying, but even if that happened, even if the proctor from the Texas bar exam ran it, you'd have many people thinking this was staged.
and what if he just isnt real smart and gets another low score...i think they stay away from the wonderlic...im sure his agents arnt even quite sure how he would score on it if he were to take it again...
That is the risk for sure.I could absolutely work it out where there was no worry of tampering or staging. That's not an issue.

The issue is scoring another 6.

The risk that would make him millions would be posting a 27.

J

 
I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.
How wild would it be if his agents had him take another Wonderlic at the Pro Day. Make it somehow where some totally legit 3rd party provided the test (I'm sure they could get the official Wonderlic people there to do it) and have him sit down and take it.If he could rip off a 28 there, he might make himself millions.

I'm sure it would never happen, but it could be easy money.

J
I understand what you're saying, but even if that happened, even if the proctor from the Texas bar exam ran it, you'd have many people thinking this was staged.
and what if he just isnt real smart and gets another low score...i think they stay away from the wonderlic...im sure his agents arnt even quite sure how he would score on it if he were to take it again...
That is the risk for sure.I could absolutely work it out where there was no worry of tampering or staging. That's not an issue.

The issue is scoring another 6.

The risk that would make him millions would be posting a 27.

J
You're assuming Young is even capable of a 27, but even if he is there's too much risk for him to take it again. If he scores a 27, teams will still consider the original 6 (or 16) a warning not to take him. However, if he scores poorly again it will cause teams who are borderline right now to run away and mark him off their draft boards.
 
Interesting point, Joe about re-taking the test.

......and what if he were to score a 15 again?

I'd say that his draft status wouldn't really be affected.

You only re-test him if you KNEW he was going to post a considerably higher score.

 
If you're in charge of Vince Young's future here today, how do you handle today with regard to his mental capacity?
If anyone has any questions about it, smile and hand them a DVD of offensive footage from the 2004 Kansas and Ok State games, the 2005 Rose Bowl, the 2005 Ohio State, Oklahoma, CU (x2), and Kansas games, and the 2006 Rose Bowl.I would say just give them a DVD breaking down all 20 wins in the streak, but that'd be overkill.
 
If he had posted a 27 Wonderlic at the combine, I think Houston would have a very interesting choice on their hands.
I'd say the Texans still have a very interesting decision to make, regardless of whether Vince Young is involved or not.
 
I don't see much point in dealing with the issue either from the scout's perspective or the agent's. Any scout in his right mind knows that Vince took the thing twice, getting a 6/7 and a 15. They know his agent is a liar, denying the first test and having the gall to publicly embellish his 2nd score as a 16. Either the low wonderlic matters to a particular scout or it is unimportant in light of Young's clear ability. I'm confident that any dunderhead who feels he needs more info on this situtation will get a "no comment/water under the bridge" response. This day will be about displaying that VY's athletic ability makes everything else irrelevant.

 
I say you ignore the whole Wonderlic and play to his strenghts

I would have him bench, run, do all the drills..especially the shuttles

make him shine
Sorry, but thats the worst idea in this thread. Vince running well won't do a thing to help him...everyone knows he can run. He can only hurt himself by doing the above. If he runs a 4.4, he still goes 3-7. If he runs a 4.6+, he risks falling to 10.

 
I would react to the audience. My guess is team's have THOROUGHLY vetted the Wonderlic issue by now if they've got VY on their radar. They all have the test results in hand, they know he got a 15, and likely they've heard a lot more about what happened [bs or not] that led to the controversy.
How wild would it be if his agents had him take another Wonderlic at the Pro Day. Make it somehow where some totally legit 3rd party provided the test (I'm sure they could get the official Wonderlic people there to do it) and have him sit down and take it.If he could rip off a 28 there, he might make himself millions.

I'm sure it would never happen, but it could be easy money.

J
:lmao: whats the point of retaking the test?? lol.. lets allow everyone to retake it !!

its the 2000 election, and we're having everyone in the state of Florida re-vote...

forget those hanging chads!! step right up, cast your vote again!!

you get one test,one test only..no special treatment..he took the test,and bombed..

this isn't the Bar, or the CPA exam. Why is everyone making excuses for this kid or trying to paint a rosey picture here? He's not splitting atoms in the NFL, he's throwing a football..if he can do that better than most other guys, he'll be a pro bowler for years to come..

If VY takes it again, lets say he scores a 12 this time, he's doubled his previous score!! yippie!! If we let everyone else re-take the test, they will do better as well, so its all relative..VY's score goes up, but so does Leinart's, Cutlers, Maroney's...

as for VY, `stupid is as stupid does` - Forrest Gump..what if he takes it,and scores a 3 this time?!?! coudl happen..think about it..no guarantee it'll go up, is there? no.

might hurt him in the long run to have to read a WCO playbook or Mike Martz' crazy system, but if he goes to Baltimore, hey, you never know..remember, Billick KNOWS qb's...

:lmao:

 
I would make a joke about it, and then never bring it up again.

"Vince Young is not a test taker, he is a QB." next question.

"I can't remember a time with two minutes left in the game the refs said take out your pens and paper and then wound the clock, you need a leader and a playmaker during the last two minutes of the game, Vince Young is a national champion, leader, and winner." next question.

 
I say you ignore the whole Wonderlic and play to his strenghts

I would have him bench, run, do all the drills..especially the shuttles

make him shine
Sorry, but thats the worst idea in this thread. Vince running well won't do a thing to help him...everyone knows he can run. He can only hurt himself by doing the above. If he runs a 4.4, he still goes 3-7. If he runs a 4.6+, he risks falling to 10.
I don't agree. :no: Vince can run a 4.6 in his sleep. Likely he'd be in the 4.4-4.5 range. But refusing to run could turn into a big PR nightmare. Then you've taken one of his biggest strengths (that should help restore positive buzz) and turned it into another friggin question mark and provided something for nay-sayers to harp on. I think he needs to run and it would be best if he could run 4.45 or better which I think he can.

 
I say you ignore the whole Wonderlic and play to his strenghts

I would have him bench, run, do all the drills..especially the shuttles

make him shine
Sorry, but thats the worst idea in this thread. Vince running well won't do a thing to help him...everyone knows he can run. He can only hurt himself by doing the above. If he runs a 4.4, he still goes 3-7. If he runs a 4.6+, he risks falling to 10.
I don't agree. :no: Vince can run a 4.6 in his sleep. Likely he'd be in the 4.4-4.5 range. But refusing to run could turn into a big PR nightmare. Then you've taken one of his biggest strengths (that should help restore positive buzz) and turned it into another friggin question mark and provided something for nay-sayers to harp on. I think he needs to run and it would be best if he could run 4.45 or better which I think he can.
Either way, Rotoworld is reporting he'll run. I think its a huge mistake. I doubt anyone would have expected to see him run.
Vince Young will work out for pro scouts Wednesday.

He'll throw, run the 40, and retake the Wonderlic. Everything but the latter is true. The former Texas star quarterback's stock has been falling, but an impressive pro day performance wouldn't hurt.
 
Interesting point, Joe about re-taking the test.

......and what if he were to score a 15 again?

I'd say that his draft status wouldn't really be affected.

You only re-test him if you KNEW he was going to post a considerably higher score.
Exactly Nemesis.If he's got a decent agent, you know what he'll score next time as he's been working and practicing on it.

I'd be shocked if Leinart or Bush (or anyone with a real agent) was surprised one bit with the score they posted on the Wonderlic. They knew what they'd post as well as they knew what 40 time they'd run our how many times they were going to bench 225.

If he could post a 27 on the Wonderlic today, I'd take it again in front of the scouts to show them and earn myself a few million more bucks.

J

 
If you're in charge of Vince Young's future here today, how do you handle today with regard to his mental capacity?
If anyone has any questions about it, smile and hand them a DVD of offensive footage from the 2004 Kansas and Ok State games, the 2005 Rose Bowl, the 2005 Ohio State, Oklahoma, CU (x2), and Kansas games, and the 2006 Rose Bowl.I would say just give them a DVD breaking down all 20 wins in the streak, but that'd be overkill.
Hi HS,Show them that on the field expertise sort of like they did with Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch or....

The wonderlic bomb is a big negative for Young. He'll still go way high. I'm saying he might go #1 if they could overcome that wonderlic.

J

 
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whats the point of retaking the test?? lol.. lets allow everyone to retake it !!.....you get one test,one test only..no special treatment..he took the test,and bombed..this isn't the Bar, or the CPA exam.
Wrong.Again...Players can take the exam repeatedly, and many have done so.
He's not splitting atoms in the NFL, he's throwing a football..if he can do that better than most other guys, he'll be a pro bowler for years to come..
Right.That's what makes this all the more ridiculous.
If VY takes it again, lets say he scores a 12 this time, he's doubled his previous score!! yippie!! If we let everyone else re-take the test, they will do better as well, so its all relative..VY's score goes up, but so does Leinart's, Cutlers, Maroney's...
Wrong.He would be doing worse than his best score. Other guys have taken the test multiple times and have all been given credit for their best score, and again, they do let everyone retest. It's just that not everyone chooses to do so.
as for VY, `stupid is as stupid does
Right.But not in the way you meant it. Just look at what the kid does on the football field and then tell me who looks stupid...Young, or the defense?
 
I would make a joke about it, and then never bring it up again.

"Vince Young is not a test taker, he is a QB." next question.

"I can't remember a time with two minutes left in the game the refs said take out your pens and paper and then wound the clock, you need a leader and a playmaker during the last two minutes of the game, Vince Young is a national champion, leader, and winner." next question.
Hi sea,That's probably the surest way to handle it and the way I'd guess they'll go.

J

 
If you're in charge of Vince Young's future here today, how do you handle today with regard to his mental capacity?
If anyone has any questions about it, smile and hand them a DVD of offensive footage from the 2004 Kansas and Ok State games, the 2005 Rose Bowl, the 2005 Ohio State, Oklahoma, CU (x2), and Kansas games, and the 2006 Rose Bowl.I would say just give them a DVD breaking down all 20 wins in the streak, but that'd be overkill.
Hi HS,Show them that on the field expertise sort of like they did with Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch or....

The wonderlic bomb is a big negative for Young. He'll still go way high. I'm saying he might go #1 if they could overcome that wonderlic.

J
You could be right, but I never saw him #1. The Texans need to trade that pick, but I don't think they're smart enough to trade it and I don't think they were ever gonna take VY regardless of his test score.
 
If you're in charge of Vince Young's future here today, how do you handle today with regard to his mental capacity?
If anyone has any questions about it, smile and hand them a DVD of offensive footage from the 2004 Kansas and Ok State games, the 2005 Rose Bowl, the 2005 Ohio State, Oklahoma, CU (x2), and Kansas games, and the 2006 Rose Bowl.I would say just give them a DVD breaking down all 20 wins in the streak, but that'd be overkill.
Hi HS,Show them that on the field expertise sort of like they did with Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch or....

The wonderlic bomb is a big negative for Young. He'll still go way high. I'm saying he might go #1 if they could overcome that wonderlic.

J
You could be right, but I never saw him #1. The Texans need to trade that pick, but I don't think they're smart enough to trade it and I don't think they were ever gonna take VY regardless of his test score.
Hi HS,I would have traded it to New Orleans 5 minutes after the Rose Bowl. Young was #1 then I think.

Should be interesting.

I really don't care how it pans out as long as the Jets don't trade up to #2 and get Leinart. I'm not sure I can handle Mike Greenberg if that happens... ;)

J

 
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I say you ignore the whole Wonderlic and play to his strenghts

I would have him bench, run, do all the drills..especially the shuttles

make him shine
Sorry, but thats the worst idea in this thread. Vince running well won't do a thing to help him...everyone knows he can run. He can only hurt himself by doing the above. If he runs a 4.4, he still goes 3-7. If he runs a 4.6+, he risks falling to 10.
I don't agree. :no: Vince can run a 4.6 in his sleep. Likely he'd be in the 4.4-4.5 range. But refusing to run could turn into a big PR nightmare. Then you've taken one of his biggest strengths (that should help restore positive buzz) and turned it into another friggin question mark and provided something for nay-sayers to harp on. I think he needs to run and it would be best if he could run 4.45 or better which I think he can.
Either way, Rotoworld is reporting he'll run. I think its a huge mistake. I doubt anyone would have expected to see him run.
Vince Young will work out for pro scouts Wednesday.

He'll throw, run the 40, and retake the Wonderlic. Everything but the latter is true. The former Texas star quarterback's stock has been falling, but an impressive pro day performance wouldn't hurt.
If Young doesn't run it only adds to the questions teams have about him. Even if he runs a 4.5 it gives team more information about him. As investors know, it's better to have disappointing information than no information at all.
 
I say you ignore the whole Wonderlic and play to his strenghts

I would have him bench, run, do all the drills..especially the shuttles

make him shine
Sorry, but thats the worst idea in this thread. Vince running well won't do a thing to help him...everyone knows he can run. He can only hurt himself by doing the above. If he runs a 4.4, he still goes 3-7. If he runs a 4.6+, he risks falling to 10.
I don't agree. :no: Vince can run a 4.6 in his sleep. Likely he'd be in the 4.4-4.5 range. But refusing to run could turn into a big PR nightmare. Then you've taken one of his biggest strengths (that should help restore positive buzz) and turned it into another friggin question mark and provided something for nay-sayers to harp on. I think he needs to run and it would be best if he could run 4.45 or better which I think he can.
Either way, Rotoworld is reporting he'll run. I think its a huge mistake. I doubt anyone would have expected to see him run.
Vince Young will work out for pro scouts Wednesday.

He'll throw, run the 40, and retake the Wonderlic. Everything but the latter is true. The former Texas star quarterback's stock has been falling, but an impressive pro day performance wouldn't hurt.
If Young doesn't run it only adds to the questions teams have about him. Even if he runs a 4.5 it gives team more information about him. As investors know, it's better to have disappointing information than no information at all.
Do you really think anyone has questions about his running?I must be in bizarro world or something, where a 40 time means more than what happens on the field.

All you need to see is the dude pulling away from corners...over and over and over, or running through LBs, or standing there in the pocket completing passes with safeties or LBs draped around his legs, trying like hell to bring him down, or juking Ernest Shazor's All-American Jock RTF off his body on the way to a score.

If the personnel people of these NFL teams haven't seen enough of Young in the running department, then they're in serious need of a career change.

I'm not saying he won't run, but not running won't hurt him, imho. I just don't see how it could. If he does run though, he could wow 'em even more with incredible numbers, or it could backfire, with worse-than-expected numbers taking some of the luster off his game performances.

Best not to run, unless he's been practicing these specific events and has been blowing them away.

We'll see.

 
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BTW, it's currently 50F and overcast here in Austin, after having been in the 70s and 80s for several days.

I wouldn't think that would be great weather for loosening up to sprint, but some have said the pro day will be held mostly indoors at the "bubble" practice facility.

Again, we'll see.

 
whats the point of retaking the test?? lol.. lets allow everyone to retake it !!
Everyone is allowed to retake it.To answer Joe's question, I wouldn't address the Wonderlic issue at his pro day. I would make him available to take any tests NFL teams want to give him privately (including the Wonderlic if that's what they want), but I wouldn't have him do it for the public as part of his pro day. I'm not sure that NFL teams would even be interested in additional Wonderlic results.

 
whats the point of retaking the test?? lol.. lets allow everyone to retake it !!
Everyone is allowed to retake it.To answer Joe's question, I wouldn't address the Wonderlic issue at his pro day. I would make him available to take any tests NFL teams want to give him privately (including the Wonderlic if that's what they want), but I wouldn't have him do it for the public as part of his pro day. I'm not sure that NFL teams would even be interested in additional Wonderlic results.
Best answer so far, imho...(and yes, that includes mine...but I'd still give 'em the DVD... :D )
 
whats the point of retaking the test?? lol.. lets allow everyone to retake it !!
Everyone is allowed to retake it.To answer Joe's question, I wouldn't address the Wonderlic issue at his pro day. I would make him available to take any tests NFL teams want to give him privately (including the Wonderlic if that's what they want), but I wouldn't have him do it for the public as part of his pro day. I'm not sure that NFL teams would even be interested in additional Wonderlic results.
Culpepper took the test three times. :o
 
whats the point of retaking the test?? lol.. lets allow everyone to retake it !!
Everyone is allowed to retake it.To answer Joe's question, I wouldn't address the Wonderlic issue at his pro day. I would make him available to take any tests NFL teams want to give him privately (including the Wonderlic if that's what they want), but I wouldn't have him do it for the public as part of his pro day. I'm not sure that NFL teams would even be interested in additional Wonderlic results.
Culpepper took the test three times. :o
So did Marino.
 
I think retaking the test is a lose-lose scenario. I happen to think that's it's a bit like OJ trying on the gloves, as you think it's the nail in the coffin and instead it turned out to be the undoing of the case.

If VY takes the test again and does well, everyone will suggest it was staged, rigged, unfair taking it weeks later, etc. Net result: no one cares, his stock stays the same.

If VY took the test and bombed, then he would never get past it and his stock would take another big hit. Net result, he loses.

So his stock probably wouldn't improve even if he did well on the test.

 
Wow, 4.57. I'm surprised. I was expecting a 4.47 maybe, not a 4.57.

He has to be the fastest 4.57 on the field that I can recall. Derrick Johnson ran a 4.51 at the combine last year, and having watched both for 4 years, I'd have bet money that Vince could beat him in a footrace, or at least tie him. And I know Vince always looked faster than Cedric Benson who posted a similar time at the Texas pro day last year. Interesting.

 
The media is the only one that thinks this wonderlic means anything. If radio takes the stupid thing again and gets a 30 he isn't going to move up any more than if he proves he can actually win games with his arm.

He's still going high. And in the end what's the difference between a 3rd and 5th pick? Not some multiple choice exam.

 
Wow, 4.57. I'm surprised. I was expecting a 4.47 maybe, not a 4.57.

He has to be the fastest 4.57 on the field that I can recall. Derrick Johnson ran a 4.51 at the combine last year, and having watched both for 4 years, I'd have bet money that Vince could beat him in a footrace, or at least tie him. And I know Vince always looked faster than Cedric Benson who posted a similar time at the Texas pro day last year. Interesting.
I'm not sure I'm all that surprised. Often a guy who's very quick off the blocks can beat a guy in the 40 who has a higher top end, a la Young. It's funny, though, when none of those 4.4 DBs can ever catch up to Vince in the open field.This is yet another reason I wouldn't have had him run.

 
The media is the only one that thinks this wonderlic means anything. If radio takes the stupid thing again and gets a 30 he isn't going to move up any more than if he proves he can actually win games with his arm.

He's still going high. And in the end what's the difference between a 3rd and 5th pick? Not some multiple choice exam.
Did you see the Texas-OU game...or Texas-Ohio State? I could go on, but I'll stop there.Radio? Cute. Are you an aggie or just a wannabe?

 
I know if I was an NFL GM and I was considering taking someone in the top 5 that was not hurt in any way, I would want him to run. What would be the point in not running at your Pro-day?

Might as well have him not throw then too since he has an awkward delivery.

The Pro-day allows an athlete to train and be great at these specific tests instead of being herded into them at the combine. Unless injured, this day should represent months of working out to specifically do well on this day.

An athlete unwilling to do the combine drills on his day, at his track is someone I would immediately cross off my list as a player worthy of a top 5 selection.

 
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The media is the only one that thinks this wonderlic means anything.
Hi culdeas,Couldn't disagree more. This was a major story because the teams put a lot of stock in the wonderlic.

J

 

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