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Ike Bruce = Criminally undervalued (1 Viewer)

Jason Wood

Jason Wood

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Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.

 
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
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Jason - I'm in a bit of a pickle with my WR's. Bruce is on the WW (yes, undrafted!) along with Kevin Curtis. Would you rather have Bruce then Curtis this season?
 
He's the new Rod Smith. People will always ignore the steady veteran who is a lock for solid, if not spectacular numbers while they reach for some young wr whose ceiling is likely no higher than the old guy's floor.

Isaac Bruce isn't sexy.

 
I was looking to pair him with Holt in the Staff vs. MB auction last night; there was some pressure from others in the auction, but I managed to get him for $7 ($200 cap). $7 was a fair amount of money at that point (my max bid was $9, and I was above the median in terms of money left), so I think there is some understanding among the sharks that he represents value. But it's also a bit odd that no one nominated him until that point in the auction; I personally avoided him because I wanted to wait until people were out of money (which worked), but even a year or two ago, both Rams starting WRs would be among the early nominations.

Bennett went for $4.

 
I agree Jason and I've posted this in some other threads as well. You can get Bruce as a WR5 in a lot of drafts and that's insane value for a player who should be no worse than a solid WR3. I think people are getting way too caught up in Bennett Hype and forgetting that while Bennett will be involved Bruce can still play and is still a productive part of the Rams' offense. He is squarely in my sights as a late-round pick in my draft because it seems like people are just ignoring him. He represents outstanding value at his current ADP. What makes this even better is that if his ADP hasn't risen dramatically by now (and it hasn't) there's no reason to expect it to change anytime soon.

 
vichawkfan said:
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
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Jason - I'm in a bit of a pickle with my WR's. Bruce is on the WW (yes, undrafted!) along with Kevin Curtis. Would you rather have Bruce then Curtis this season?
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Impatiently waiting for the first, "Can I join your league?" blast. Anyway, on Bruce or Curtis, my first thought is if you WRs are not what you would like with Bruce and Curtis on the WW, I might be trying get both of them. Bruce would be safer in that you know his production history. Curtis showed previously that he could be productive given the chance and Philly is a good passing scheme with a good QB. I would lean Bruce, but not significantly.

 
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vichawkfan said:
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
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Jason - I'm in a bit of a pickle with my WR's. Bruce is on the WW (yes, undrafted!) along with Kevin Curtis. Would you rather have Bruce then Curtis this season?
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I would lean slightly to Bruce because he's a proven commodity. Curtis is going to a new offense and is starting for the first time. The X factor is TD production. While I see no reason why Bruce can't have 5-6 TDs this year, he's only had 3 each of the last 2 years. Meanwhile Curtis has quietly been a very productive scorer, particularly in the red zone. I currently rank Bruce as WR30 (which still is a bit low for my tastes) and have Curtis slotted at WR42...my current projections are:

*** Bruce: 66 catches for 905 yards and 5 TDs

*** Curtis: 50 catches for 705 yards and 5 TDs

Hope this helps.

 
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
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...yet that anomaly has scored more TDs than Bruce the last 2 yrs (not that that's saying much) and on far worse offenses.I'm no Bennett fan and agree Bruce is probably underrated to an extent, but 34 is nothing to sneeze at for a WR and I do think Bennett will cut into his #s more than you seem to.

 
i like ike, but looking at the omega league drafts yesterday, bruce generally went 8th round. would you really take him higher? i don't think i would.

 
BigRed said:
I'm no Bennett fan and agree Bruce is probably underrated to an extent, but 34 is nothing to sneeze at for a WR and I do think Bennett will cut into his #s more than you seem to.
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Bruce is younger than Harrison and Galloway. He's one year older than TO.
 
BigRed said:
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
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...yet that anomaly has scored more TDs than Bruce the last 2 yrs (not that that's saying much) and on far worse offenses.I'm no Bennett fan and agree Bruce is probably underrated to an extent, but 34 is nothing to sneeze at for a WR and I do think Bennett will cut into his #s more than you seem to.
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I've seen nothing to suggest that Bennett is better than Kevin Curtis, so why should he cut into Bruce's numbers disproportionately?
 
Can we please do away with posts like these? I still have a draft left. Managed to absolutely steal Bruce in the first two, and hoping to grab him again in the third for a song.

I love guys in PPR who derive most of their points from catches and yards - makes them much less volatile and far more consistent.

I don't have a bunch of stats and abbreviations to throw at this, but I feel that td's for WR's that aren't in the top tier really don't stay consistent from year to year. I would not be surprised to see a bump in the TD's this year with similar catches/yards.

I love old guys who aren't sexy picks. Bruce is great value this season, and if he flops, you lost your WR4. Oh darn.

 
Jason Wood said:
vichawkfan said:
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
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Jason - I'm in a bit of a pickle with my WR's. Bruce is on the WW (yes, undrafted!) along with Kevin Curtis. Would you rather have Bruce then Curtis this season?
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I would lean slightly to Bruce because he's a proven commodity. Curtis is going to a new offense and is starting for the first time. The X factor is TD production. While I see no reason why Bruce can't have 5-6 TDs this year, he's only had 3 each of the last 2 years. Meanwhile Curtis has quietly been a very productive scorer, particularly in the red zone. I currently rank Bruce as WR30 (which still is a bit low for my tastes) and have Curtis slotted at WR42...my current projections are:

*** Bruce: 66 catches for 905 yards and 5 TDs

*** Curtis: 50 catches for 705 yards and 5 TDs

Hope this helps.
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:goodposting: he's 100 years old. Best years are behind him.

and, we're talking about WR30 according to your rankings, which means he's a good one week fill-in/bye week replacement guy , at best..

he's no more than a low level #3 WR...yawn.

seems to me like St Lou is hell-bent on running the football even more, if thats possible..

 
I drafted Bruce yesterday in a 10 team redraft. My WR5 in rd 10 (94 overall). Im pretty happy about it.

 
:lmao: A 34 year-old wide receiver with zero upside whatsoever being overlooked. Not a big deal. If you want to draft him fine but don't act like you're committing highway robbery.
 
The Man with the Plan said:
:rolleyes: A 34 year-old wide receiver with zero upside whatsoever being overlooked. Not a big deal. If you want to draft him fine but don't act like you're committing highway robbery.
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Not every player on your team needs to be a swing for the fences kind of guy. Steady veterans fill the starting spot for most fantasy owners and if you have a few of them, you can package them up for a borderline stud after all the other "next big things" fall on their faces.
 
The Man with the Plan said:
:goodposting: A 34 year-old wide receiver with zero upside whatsoever being overlooked. Not a big deal. If you want to draft him fine but don't act like you're committing highway robbery.
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What does "zero upside" mean? He's being drafted as the #40 WR off the board. The #40 WR last year had 420 yards and 3 TDs. Do you think Bruce cannot do better than 420 yards and 3 TDs?
 
If you play in a league in which Bruce holds no value, why don't you step up to a more challenging league? I'm drafting Friday in a 16 team, start 3 WR league, and Bruce holds significant value. I'd love to get him as my WR3.

 
I'm surprised this is the #29th post and there's been no mention of Randy McMichael as a potential drag on Bruce's (...or Bennett's) production. McMichael has averaged 60+ catches for 600+ yards the past four seasons despite his lack of solid QB play. The Rams have not had a pass-catching TE like McMichael for some time.

If there's any year where the wheels will fall off the Bruce wagon, it's '07.

 
Weiner Dog said:
I'm surprised this is the #29th post and there's been no mention of Randy McMichael as a potential drag on Bruce's (...or Bennett's) production. McMichael has averaged 60+ catches for 600+ yards the past four seasons despite his lack of solid QB play. The Rams have not had a pass-catching TE like McMichael for some time.If there's any year where the wheels will fall off the Bruce wagon, it's '07.
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McMichael is certainly a new wrinkle in the offense, but he's far more likely to take away some of Steven Jackson's 90 receptions and a part of the lost targets from Curtis and McDonald's departure than he will Bruce, who catches most of his passes at entirely different parts of the field than McMichael will be positioned, IMHO.
 
Good point...

Who knows, maybe he'll crack another 1000 yds and a few TDs or more. I just don't see it. I think he's on the edge of being done as a "serious" WR2 (NFL wise or FF wise).

 
nygiants56 said:
Jason Wood said:
vichawkfan said:
Jason Wood said:
Isaac Bruce is criminally undervalued in my opinion (as much as Drew Bennett is overvalued), and I think any Shark that isn't targeting Bruce at his current ADP is really missing the boat here, especially in PPR leagues.

For those of you who subscribe, I articulated my thoughts in the Bruce Spotlight.

For those who aren't subcribers, I posted a similar analysis (from the Drew Bennett angle) on the blog this morning.

People are too fixated on Bruce's age, as though 34 years old is somehow more risky than 33 or 32, etc...

Bruce had almost 1,100 yards and 74 catches LAST YEAR and has shown no degradation in his most important skills (hands and separation). Did you realize that Bruce's yards per reception has actually INCREASED for five straight seasons? Even if you worry about his TD production, he finished WR25 last year in Non PPR leagues in spit of only scoring 3 TDs.

This idea that Drew Bennett is a threat to him is a JOKE...talk about a guy living off a 3-week anomaly.
Click to expand...
Jason - I'm in a bit of a pickle with my WR's. Bruce is on the WW (yes, undrafted!) along with Kevin Curtis. Would you rather have Bruce then Curtis this season?
Click to expand...
I would lean slightly to Bruce because he's a proven commodity. Curtis is going to a new offense and is starting for the first time. The X factor is TD production. While I see no reason why Bruce can't have 5-6 TDs this year, he's only had 3 each of the last 2 years. Meanwhile Curtis has quietly been a very productive scorer, particularly in the red zone. I currently rank Bruce as WR30 (which still is a bit low for my tastes) and have Curtis slotted at WR42...my current projections are:

*** Bruce: 66 catches for 905 yards and 5 TDs

*** Curtis: 50 catches for 705 yards and 5 TDs

Hope this helps.
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:popcorn: he's 100 years old. Best years are behind him.

and, we're talking about WR30 according to your rankings, which means he's a good one week fill-in/bye week replacement guy , at best..

he's no more than a low level #3 WR...yawn.

seems to me like St Lou is hell-bent on running the football even more, if thats possible..
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O.K., I give. You're right. He's not very valuble in a 10 team start 2 WR league.
 
Completely agree. The yards per reception totals are very telling. If he was "losing a step" as many wish to assume, it would be evident in the ypr.

There are a lot of boom/bust types at WR this year and if you find yourself with a few of them, it would probably be a good idea to snag Bruce if possible.

 
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