"Illegal Line-ups" (1 Viewer)

[Texican]

This is a carry over from the Kickerless thread.

Does your league allow "illegal lineups"?

What are the reasons why you are not able to not carry a PK, etc.?

We are allowed to start someone even if they are on bye, but we have to start someone. It can't be an empty slot.

Just curious.....(maybe we need to change some things in our league)

 

[golfguy]

illegal line-up = automatic loss in my leagues.

you can start someone on a bye to fill a spot or not put someone in. but if you try and sneak an extra RBs, wrs, etc. it's a loss.

it's cheating as far as i am concerned.

 

[Texican]

I guess I am more concerned with why some leagues do not allow you to NOT put someone in?

 

[Bluestaples]

I guess I am more concerned with why some leagues do not allow you to NOT put someone in?

I don't understand that question.

 

[CA_7]

Illegal lineups should not be allowed.

I see starting players on a bye (or suspension) as a big issue. In one league, an owner was purposely starting a suspended player twice and another week a player on bye because he was positioning for the #1 spot in the draft.

At the time my team was horrible and protested to the commish who eventually caught on to what the cheater was doing. I came very close to quitting the league but had a ton of potential for this season and got even better in the offseason so stuck with it.

In a few other leagues, there seems to always be that 1 or 2 less interested owners who don't always set lineups or might go on vacation and don't bother setting their lineup ahead of time. These are $100 leagues and it obviously pisses off others owners if someone gets a win because his opponent was short on his lineup. This happened once last season and almost impacted our playoffs.

 

[Texican]

Some leagues say that you must start a player at every position. What is the reasoning for this? What is the problem if an owner decides he does not want to carry a kicker (and therefore never start one)?

 

[ShadowMaster]

Yes - we allow you to start a player on bye if you only want to carry 1 TE, PK or such.

 

[SKI]

Some leagues say that you must start a player at every position. What is the reasoning for this? What is the problem if an owner decides he does not want to carry a kicker (and therefore never start one)?

What rational could such an owner have that wasn't predicated on not doing the best for his team? Dumping or throwing games is a sure way to wreck a league, if not collusionary.

 

[Texican]

Illegal lineups should not be allowed.I see starting players on a bye (or suspension) as a big issue. In one league, an owner was purposely starting a suspended player twice and another week a player on bye because he was positioning for the #1 spot in the draft.

I see the problem here. But what was the punishment? I have seen other leagues penalize 20 points for not having a kicker in their starting lineups. That would only help the owner in your league.(BTW, we are in a re-draft, so this would not come into play in our league. )

 

[Texican]

Some leagues say that you must start a player at every position. What is the reasoning for this? What is the problem if an owner decides he does not want to carry a kicker (and therefore never start one)?

What rational could such an owner have that wasn't predicated on not doing the best for his team? Dumping or throwing games is a sure way to wreck a league, if not collusionary.

If he thought his team was strong enough as it was and he did not want drop any of his players.

 

[Bluestaples]

Some leagues say that you must start a player at every position. What is the reasoning for this? What is the problem if an owner decides he does not want to carry a kicker (and therefore never start one)?

hoarding.we had someone in my league a few years back that would drop his TE, K, and DST every week and grab RBs or WRs with potential (usually an opponents handcuff) and hold them until the last minute then drop them to wiavers thus preventing anyone else in the league from using that player in a given week. Requiring legal lineups is a way to limit such, and similar tactics.

 

[The Shizzle]

In our league roster minimums are required. We start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, K, DST, FLEX. We have a rule that states that you must carry at least one spot on your roster for those positions and you must have at least one active for the games. There was an owner iun the league that would drop his kicker every waiver period in order to make a spot for the extra RB or WR. About 10 owners complained every week so we voted on a rule change and it was accepted. Everybody believed it was a cheap move for the owner to do that. It is much better now and the rules are clearer for better competition.

 

[AcerFC]

In my main money league that I commish, you must have an active roster and have a player active at all positions (no byes). The problem in money leagues is that everyone wants to make the playoffs to wind up in the money. If you play a team in week 7 that has 3 guys on bye, it is an unfair advanatge that the team with the byes has set up for the league. The same can be said about the kicker question. You have to start one because those are the rules. Dont join or stay in the league if you dont like the rules

 

[BlueOnion]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;

"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

 

[CA_7]

Illegal lineups should not be allowed.I see starting players on a bye (or suspension) as a big issue. In one league, an owner was purposely starting a suspended player twice and another week a player on bye because he was positioning for the #1 spot in the draft.

I see the problem here. But what was the punishment? I have seen other leagues penalize 20 points for not having a kicker in their starting lineups. That would only help the owner in your league.(BTW, we are in a re-draft, so this would not come into play in our league. )

Two different levels of punishment. First is a $5 fine per player, per incident. There is some grey area here since you assume the owner has had sufficient time to make changes for suspensions.We also have this written into our rules:

Members of the league are expected to act is a respectful way and display a high level of sportsmanship. Please remember at all times that this is a game and it is done in fun. At anytime, the commissioner or asst commissioner reserves the right to take any action to correct any conduct that is determined to be detrimental to the competitive balance of the league (this includes starting players that are on bye, injured, or on suspension). If disruptive conduct is repeated by an owner that is considered to be detrimental to the league, the commissioner or asst commissioner may request a league vote to immediately remove the owner from the league without refund. The majority will rule in this instance and the accused member will not have a vote. If the owner is voted out, he will immediately be replaced by the commissioner or asst commissioner. Again, if an owner fails to submit a line-up for 3 straight weeks, their team ownership will be forfeited, and a replacement owner will be found. Any money that is won by a team that was replaced during the season will be given in half to the new owner and the other half will be divided evenly between the other 3 payout winners.

We also charge $2 per FA transaction to prevent weekly moves to drop and lock players from the wire.

 

[Texican]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

Humorous yet confusing....

 

[Godsbrother]

The problem with giving an automatic loss to a team tat submits an illegal roster is that it gives someone else an automatic win.

We changed the rule this year to deduct the points of the highest scoring player that is involved in making the lineup illegal and fine the team $25 for the first offense. $50 for the second offense, etc.

For instance, our flex can be any position (including QB, K and DEF). So if a team mistakenly starts 2 QBs and 2 Ks, the highest scoring player would be dropped.

It might still result in another team getting an easy win but at least it is not an automatic win.

 

[BlueOnion]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

Humorous yet confusing....

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

 

[Texican]

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

Ah, I see. That makes sense. Is a total points league very common.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Illegal lineups should not be allowed.I see starting players on a bye (or suspension) as a big issue. In one league, an owner was purposely starting a suspended player twice and another week a player on bye because he was positioning for the #1 spot in the draft. At the time my team was horrible and protested to the commish who eventually caught on to what the cheater was doing. I came very close to quitting the league but had a ton of potential for this season and got even better in the offseason so stuck with it.In a few other leagues, there seems to always be that 1 or 2 less interested owners who don't always set lineups or might go on vacation and don't bother setting their lineup ahead of time. These are $100 leagues and it obviously pisses off others owners if someone gets a win because his opponent was short on his lineup. This happened once last season and almost impacted our playoffs.

That's different, though. That's throwing games... You could just as easily do that by starting Jim Sorgi, etc.The point is that if someone feels they have some strategic advantage to not starting a K, why not let them. I think it would have to be a real special set of circumstances for it to work out in their favor, but let them learn that themselves.

 

[BlueOnion]

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

Ah, I see. That makes sense. Is a total points league very common.

When we put together our big money league, there were just to many holes to try and cover; with illegal lineups, trades involving collusion, players loosing interest, etc...We go total points, 16-weeks, winner take all, no trades, an auction draft, 10 teams (though 9 or 11 teams work as well) and 18 roster spots.We basically get together, assemble our cheatsheets which have current year projects and draft our teams.

 

[faulkfan]

Some leagues say that you must start a player at every position. What is the reasoning for this? What is the problem if an owner decides he does not want to carry a kicker (and therefore never start one)?

If this is the rule then starting a player who is off isn't an illegal lineup.

 

[mightyeskimo]

In our league, you may choose not to start a position without penalty. However, you must have a viable roster fulfilling a player at each position. To date, we have not had a problem with hoarding players.

 

[heckmanm]

First, our lineup submission page doesn't allow "illegal" lineups. This includes starting nobody, or starting a player on a bye. (We use Synsport)

Second, if you don't submit a legal lineup, your prior lineup carries over, but the following happens:

- First offense, warning only

- Second offense, your first draft pick next year drops to the end of the round

- Third offense, your first TWO draft picks drop to the end of the round

- Fourth offense,

 

[Keys Myaths]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

Humorous yet confusing....

That's BO's specialty.

 

[mbuehner]

Are illegal lineups illegal? Err... yes, by definition.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Are illegal lineups illegal? Err... yes, by definition.

I think you missed the point.Pretend the question was, "Is a lineup with no K illegal in your league?"

 

[Parmcat]

I our league we give fines if you start a player on a bye or on IR, or that has been listed as OUT

it is 20.00 per incident, and is for the sole purpose to preven tanking for a better draftpick.

That money is used for beer/food at the following years draft.

We average about 100.00 per year. It is usually someone that forgets a bye or is away, and doesnt call to set their line-up.

 

[shadow2k]

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

My H2H money league simply has weekly money prizes for the top two point scorers of the week. We've run the same basic format for years, and we've never once had a team go inactive. They continue to trade, make WW pickups, and set lineups through the whole season. We actually had to institute a new rule regarding waivers during the playoffs, because we didn't want teams out of the playoffs to snag guys off the WW, possibly affecting the playoff teams (the non-playoff teams still compete for the toilet bowl).

 

[renesauz]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

Humorous yet confusing....

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

Onion...that makes no sense. Whether a team is 2-8 or 150 points behind makes the same difference to the owner's care level. I've found that head to head, while involving a bit more luck and arguably a shade less fair, keeps more teams in the playoff chase then total points.

 

[jon_mx]

I think there should be roster restrictions that dictate how many you must have at each position and only allow for a few flex spots. I don't like the practice of hoarding RB's in the hopes of an injury. There should only be enough roster spots for an owner to a have a couple spots to use as backups or longshots.

 

[jon_mx]

Onion...that makes no sense. Whether a team is 2-8 or 150 points behind makes the same difference to the owner's care level. I've found that head to head, while involving a bit more luck and arguably a shade less fair, keeps more teams in the playoff chase then total points.

I like head to head too. It makes trying to squeeze out those extra points each week more interesting and each week more fun.

 

[BlueOnion]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

Humorous yet confusing....

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

Onion...that makes no sense. Whether a team is 2-8 or 150 points behind makes the same difference to the owner's care level. I've found that head to head, while involving a bit more luck and arguably a shade less fair, keeps more teams in the playoff chase then total points.

I would agree with that. The one caveat being what damage can a team do while not in the hunt. If a team is 2-8, he can still impact the league by not trying and giving some other owners a free win. If a team is a 150 points out (or 250 points out), he has no impact on the other teams still participating.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I think there should be roster restrictions that dictate how many you must have at each position and only allow for a few flex spots. I don't like the practice of hoarding RB's in the hopes of an injury. There should only be enough roster spots for an owner to a have a couple spots to use as backups or longshots.

Maybe you should just have everyone draft one team, and get 1 point per win...Unless you're in a league of total Noobs, let people have some fun by running their team the way they want to.

 

[ALF]

Please change title of thread to something more applicable such as;"Hello, I play in a head-to-head big money league and wear a purple shirt. What color shirt do you wear?"

Humorous yet confusing....

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

In my total points league the last 3 places have to pay an additional 100,50 and 25.Keeps everyone interested until the end.

 

[Bull Dozier]

I think having big-money leagues in a head-to-head format are just asking for problems. Can you really expect somebody who is 2-8 to put forth the same effort as he did when he was 0-0? Of course not.The solution (for big money leagues) is to go total points. I recommend the head-to-head format for 'fun' leagues, such as co-workers and family.

Ah, I see. That makes sense. Is a total points league very common.

When we put together our big money league, there were just to many holes to try and cover; with illegal lineups, trades involving collusion, players loosing interest, etc...We go total points, 16-weeks, winner take all, no trades, an auction draft, 10 teams (though 9 or 11 teams work as well) and 18 roster spots.We basically get together, assemble our cheatsheets which have current year projects and draft our teams.

And then do nothing for 16 weeks. Sounds like a blast.