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I'm Beginning To Think I Did This All Wrong With The Whole Not Having Children Thing (1 Viewer)

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I should have bred. I should have sired a bunch of young offspring and let the females raise them. Just sorta was involved with their lives, but really, only primarily on weekends. And I'd have so many that I could only see them a weekend every two months, because I'd have about eight kids.

That way someone will be there when I get sick because. . .biology.

That's how we do. That's how I should have done.

Any thoughts?
 
My wife and I chose not have kids and stuck with it. She has no regrets. I have some. But then I also know a bunch of people with kids and they are all wildly jealous of my wife and the other couples we hang out with who are childless. The whole DINK thing is pretty sweet- if we had kids, we would certainly have to worry about money, budget, think about our purchases, etc. But yeah when I am older, who is going to take care of us? Maybe by being childless, you get to "enjoy" life so much more than there will be less end of life care needed.
 
Maybe by being childless, you get to "enjoy" life so much more than there will be less end of life care needed.

Dementia doesn't pick and choose by virtue of who chose to go childless. I don't think your hopes are going to be as neat as you think they might be.

Eh, perhaps.
 
Waited until I was late 30’s to have a kid. Glad I did as I’m certainly a far better father now then I would have been in my 20’s. It’s the best of both worlds in my opinion. Had freedom in my 20’s and 30’s and have the joy of a child in my 40’s. Couldn’t imagine my life without my daughter.

Have never considered the some one to take care of me angle but I guess that’s certainly an advantage to having them.
 
Waited until I was late 30’s to have a kid. Glad I did as I’m certainly a far better father now then I would have been in my 20’s.

That's great that it worked out!

The chance of birth defects in offspring climb significantly with age, even on the male end, if I'm to believe what I've skimmed from the literature.

Couldn’t imagine my life without my daughter.

Did you get hit up for Taylor Swift tickets when she came to L.A.?
 
Maybe by being childless, you get to "enjoy" life so much more than there will be less end of life care needed.

Dementia doesn't pick and choose by virtue of who chose to go childless. I don't think your hopes are going to be as neat as you think they might be.

Eh, perhaps.
Oh for sure and "partying" is more likely to trigger dementia. I just meant more likely to die young.
 
Having kids was great. Having them move out of the house was even better.

Seriously, this was the first summer that neither kid came home from college. (We have two -- our oldest graduated a couple of years ago and is working now, and the youngest will be a senior this year, but she stayed at school ostensibly to work over the summer but really to be around her boyfriend). My wife and I had a good marriage anyway, but now it's as if we're dating again. It's kind or weird to think about this, but it's been 25 years since we had the house to ourselves.
 
I know someone who waited until 50 to sire his first child. That kid wants for nothing.
He might in 20 years. I'm the child or an older father, he's been gone since I was 25 years old. I didn't really get to have an adult relationship with him and I'm very jealous of all my friends who do get to have that relationship now (I do with my mom).

As for me, my wife and I decided early on no kids and it was 100% the right decision for us.
 
He might in 20 years. I'm the child or an older father, he's been gone since I was 25 years old. I didn't really get to have an adult relationship with him and I'm very jealous of all my friends who do get to have that relationship now (I do with my mom).

Post of the thread so far. Sorry for your loss, NV, and sorry you didn't get to have an adult relationship with your father. Cherish what you have with your mother. But you know that.
 
Having kids was great. Having them move out of the house was even better.

Seriously, this was the first summer that neither kid came home from college. (We have two -- our oldest graduated a couple of years ago and is working now, and the youngest will be a senior this year, but she stayed at school ostensibly to work over the summer but really to be around her boyfriend). My wife and I had a good marriage anyway, but now it's as if we're dating again. It's kind or weird to think about this, but it's been 25 years since we had the house to ourselves.

Two kids in college. One stayed back to work, the other is home for the summer. I love him, but I'm ready for school to start.
 
The chance of birth defects in offspring climb significantly with age, even on the male end, if I'm to believe what I've skimmed from the literature.
Did you get hit up for Taylor Swift tickets when she came to L.A.?
That’s definitely part of the risk, though my wife is 6yrs younger so that helped. But we absolutely discussed our plans should the risk be realized.

As she’s 8 Taylor has just started to creep into the house and I escaped it. By next year I’m expecting full blown mania.
 
Uh...... You are not your kids responsibility. We are adamant that we wil not be a burden on our children.

Thanks for the moral lesson, STEADY.

That way someone will be there when I get sick because. . .biology.

Any thoughts?
When it's your time, rather than being a burden, take a long walk in the woods and leave the rest of us be. No need to dump on your kids, they'll have so many other things to worry about by then, adding taking care of you is almost cruel.

Don't burden others with your existence.

You too. I can see your heartlight from here, beer 30.
 
Uh...... You are not your kids responsibility. We are adamant that we wil not be a burden on our children.

Thanks for the moral lesson, STEADY.

That way someone will be there when I get sick because. . .biology.

Any thoughts?
When it's your time, rather than being a burden, take a long walk in the woods and leave the rest of us be. No need to dump on your kids, they'll have so many other things to worry about by then, adding taking care of you is almost cruel.

Don't burden others with your existence.

You too. I can see your heartlight from here, beer 30.

In all seriousness, it seems like an odd take from you. You’re a very smart guy and allot always come off as a moral person.

Seems a bit out of character for you. (That’s supposed to be a compliment.)
 
I feel a huge sense of responsibility to take care of my elderly parents when they become infirm, and it's not out of forced duty.
 
Seriously, my parents are on their way soon. I have a brother, and a nephew and niece, but really nobody else. My friends have families and live across the country. How does one suggest I not become old and a burden, other than the walk in the woods beer 30 advocates?

I say siring eight children is the way to go.

YMMV
 
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Any thoughts?
Yes. If the decision to have kids is in any way made on the basis of someone to care for you when you are old, or that you may live a little bit longer, then don't have kids.

One of my best friends growing up would talk in college about what being a parent would be like, and coaching soccer, Christmas, whatever. Making future memories. He was looking forward.
I never had a thought like that in my life. So I figured creating a human would not be a good thing for me to do. I never daydreamed about any of that stuff when I was a kid. I always said I was too selfish to have kids, but I also had the respect for the job of a parent to not take on that responsibility lightly.
 
"Before having a kid the most important thing to ask yourself is: Am I ready to watch the exact same cartoon on repeat for the next 4 years?”

LOL. Awesome, but they're at their mothers house/apartment/hut/bungalow/tent. Easy peasy and no worries.
So after ignoring them like that you expect them to be standing there by your deathbed? Good luck with that plan.
 
i wish i started earlier than i did, and, yes ... wish i sired a brood i could be proud of - 5 woulda sufficed, but no shame in the 8 game.

i needed to get me life in order, as visiting my bullchit on innocents were where i hadt to draw the line - i weren't gonna go full sperm spread 'til i learnt to actually give a F*** about somebody else but me.

wouldt never put a kid through that, nor the mother - they say your best gift as a parent is giving your child(ren) a better upbringing than you ever knew ... well, bar was set low for me (kinda like doing the limbo wif an earthworm), but i worked my arse off to ensure i farrrrr exceeded that.

hope my daughter knows that.
 
After the fact, I don't regret having children (mine are all adults now) . . . but I may have some regrets about who I had them with. I had two with my ex-wife, who quickly determined she wasn't cut out to be a mother (and I inherited them when they were in preschool). As far as I can tell, she hasn't seen them in person in 5+ years (to be fair, she lives 5,000 miles away).

I got remarried and took on 2 step kids before having another child, only to find that my second wife likes kids when they were little, but she didn't really want an active role in their growth and development once they were school age (but likes them as grown adults).

So sure, sign me up for the having kids part, but in my case, it would have been nice to know beforehand how committed the women were going to be in raising them.
 
Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.

No, feel free to speak freely.

Anybody here in family law? Tell me about what the courts and experts have begun to realize and practice.

Oof, STEADY just did.

About 10 years ago my wife’s dad convinced my wife to co-sign on his house.

He’s left everyone he’s married with kids to care for

Now he’s left his latest wife home alone while he attends college across the country, sending out go fund me.

Here's the sad truth:

You can pretty much totally ignore your offspring and they'll still feel a sense of fidelity to you. In study after study, case after case, this is so. Neglectful households. Abusive households. The pull towards our biological parents is so strong that it trumps even the loving care of a benevolent stepparent. I don't think a genial guy that visits every two months is going to run off his offspring in any way. Absence can make the heart grow fonder and often does when it comes to fathers. As a matter of fact, studies have shown that the more time a father spends with his child past a certain limit, the less well-off emotionally and spiritually that child is likely to be.
 
In all seriousness, it seems like an odd take from you.

Do you seriously think I want to have eight kids after fifty and see them once every two months or do you think I'm making a broader comment? Which one do you think?

Or is it just id speaking with a little bit of existential lament?

Perhaps it's all of it.

I’m starting to learn/believe I may have some autism traits that has trouble picking some sarcasm. Weird because I’m pretty sarcastic, myself.

ETA - Or I could just be a moron, which is probably more likely.
 
I have two kids that I love very much. I also tell people that having kids is overrated. The shark move is to get divorced where you have 100% of the responsibility, 40% of the time. My DINK friends are honestly much happier.

Honestly not counting on my kids to take care of me when I'm old. My son has the empathy for it, but will be doing his best to take care of himself. My daughter has the ability to, but lacks the emotion. My goal is to have enough money to spend my last remaining years in a Gen X themed nursing home: playing video games, binging Netflix and spreading as many STDs as possible.
 
After the fact, I don't regret having children (mine are all adults now) . . . but I may have some regrets about who I had them with. I had two with my ex-wife, who quickly determined she wasn't cut out to be a mother (and I inherited them when they were in preschool). As far as I can tell, she hasn't seen them in person in 5+ years (to be fair, she lives 5,000 miles away).

I got remarried and took on 2 step kids before having another child, only to find that my second wife likes kids when they were little, but she didn't really want an active role in their growth and development once they were school age (but likes them as grown adults).

So sure, sign me up for the having kids part, but in my case, it would have been nice to know beforehand how committed the women were going to be in raising them.

wow - great post & sharing - good on ya for stepping up and being a rock for those children.

i lucked the hell out with my partner, could not ask for a more complete and perfect nurturer, teacher, spirit for our daughter ... funny thing is, she cried for weeks after learning of her pregnancy because she didn't think she were ready, and didn't wanna let the kid down (like both sets of our parents did) ... but, man, did she get it all wrong - thankfully!
 
As a father of four young kids - whom I love very much but who cause significant stress on a daily basis* - my sentiment is that if you were uncertain about whether to have kids you absolutely made the right decision by not having them.

*And it's my wife who deals with them mostly because I work a million hours. She's a saint and zero chance I could handle them without her.
 
Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.

No, feel free to speak freely.

Anybody here in family law? Tell me about what the courts and experts have begun to realize and practice.

Oof, STEADY just did.

About 10 years ago my wife’s dad convinced my wife to co-sign on his house.

He’s left everyone he’s married with kids to care for

Now he’s left his latest wife home alone while he attends college across the country, sending out go fund me.

Here's the sad truth:

You can pretty much totally ignore your offspring and they'll still feel a sense of fidelity to you. In study after study, case after case, this is so. Neglectful households. Abusive households. The pull towards our biological parents is so strong that it trumps even the loving care of a benevolent stepparent. I don't think a genial guy that visits every two months is going to run off his offspring in any way. Absence can make the heart grow fonder and often does when it comes to fathers. As a matter of fact, studies have shown that the more time a father spends with his child past a certain limit, the less well-off emotionally and spiritually that child is likely to be.
I am, but I bill at $395/hr. PM me your email and I'll send you over an engagement letter with a retainer amount. Then, after receipt, I'll answer all your questions. ;)
 
Also, please post the link to any meaningful studies showing children are worse off spending more time with their fathers. Not saying you're wrong, but, based on my continued training, I'd be shocked to learn that you're correct.
 
Last week, I was walking around the neighborhood and found a bunch of kids playing Marco Polo in the yard of an apartment building. The eyes closed kid that was It thought he had a line on another and ran at full speed right into a tree.

This confirmed my decision in not wanting kids.
 
i wish i started earlier than i did, and, yes ... wish i sired a brood i could be proud of - 5 woulda sufficed, but no shame in the 8 game.

i needed to get me life in order, as visiting my bullchit on innocents were where i hadt to draw the line - i weren't gonna go full sperm spread 'til i learnt to actually give a F*** about somebody else but me.

wouldt never put a kid through that, nor the mother - they say your best gift as a parent is giving your child(ren) a better upbringing than you ever knew ... well, bar was set low for me (kinda like doing the limbo wif an earthworm), but i worked my arse off to ensure i farrrrr exceeded that.

hope my daughter knows that.
Um, this is very awkward, but your post here very much reminds me of the style of wikkidpissah :(
 
I’m starting to learn/believe I may have some autism traits that has trouble picking some sarcasm. Weird because I’m pretty sarcastic, myself.

Well, one on hand I want to say something about ruining a good ruse, but it's probably because sarcasm is muddy and there's a lot of truth in jest. Even stuff as tongue-in-cheek as my first post can get lost in the ether given the internet and its tendency to amplify anonymous speech as something to be taken prima facie. There's almost no limit to what one can say, so why wouldn't I, the speaker, really feel this way? And do I actually, in my worst moments, feel that way?

In truth, I have no desire to have children in my current or former state. I have never burdened nor would burden an innocent child like that. I made it this far without having a child, and it wasn't on accident. It was a conscious decision. otb and you had it right. So that said, I also feel like maybe I'm missing out on a lot and I don't know what the future holds. Maybe I want my own brood to hang with as I age. That's the lament, though, and it's brief.

The rest of the **** I'm saying in this thread is uncomfortably true as true is, and is indicative of our current societal condition mixed with our biological natures.

Because what really ****ing has begun to burn me is how younger guys walk around siring all these kids and leaving them to the mother or neglecting and abusing them, all while calling themselves a father and taking all this pride in doing absolutely nothing in the raising of their children. Being their friend. Being afraid to impart life lessons because they're so selfish and fragile they can't anger the kid lest the kid act out. Those children wind up in various states of want and need, economically and emotionally.

And yet the strut of the siring loins never stops. And the kids are still attached to the bad fathers and mothers, because that's how biology works.

And we're too scared as a society to tell the childbearers and male half of the equation to stop having children out of wedlock or into neglect. It's so anathema to our non-judgmental selves that we pillory and ridicule a guy who brings up the proposition that maybe somebody advocating single motherhood isn't the ideal role model for people. We make fun of him, not the people leaving their kids in emotional and spiritual want. We wait for the person making the moral claim to trip up so that we might label him a hypocrite for at least nodding to a standard of behavior.

Look, nobody is asking for the "never darken our door" way in which young lovers were treated once. But spitting out six kids and barely being able to care for them is not something we should be encouraging. The words "baby mama" should have never entered our family lexicon.

There. High horse done. Thread virtually over. It was sort of fun in spots. Dark humor and all.
 
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