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I'm Starting Harry Douglas over ________ Week 15 (1 Viewer)

just_want_2_win

just_want_2_win

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News indicates JJ is out. Who are you now considering benching for Harry Douglas?

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's D. Orlando Ledbetter said Julio Jones (hip, questionable) "can barely run" and would be a "decoy" if he does play.
Ledbetter went on to say he does not think Jones will be active Week 15 against the Steelers. Jones' playing status likely will not be determined until Sunday morning, but it appears Jones will be at far less than 100 percent even if he suits up. Jones is shaping up as a player to avoid even in an excellent matchup against the Steelers' leaky secondary.
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Marqise Lee.

Unless there are reports tomorrow morning that Julio is running around and looking fantastic in warmups I'm leaning toward starting Douglas even if Julio is active.

 
just_want_2_win said:
packersfan said:
JIslander said:
Didnt Hester go off the last time? oh maybe that was when Roddy was down ---
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Last time the Falcons didn't have Julio or White was in Week 13 against Arizona. Douglas put up 9-116-0 on 12 targets.
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This guy knows what he's talking about. Convinced me to start Ryan last week. :)
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Thanks. :) Unfortunately as a Packers fan that one was a slam dunk. Green Bay's D almost always fails and fails badly against good passing teams. And I knew they didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of stopping Julio because their secondary talent is weak.

 
packersfan said:
just_want_2_win said:
packersfan said:
JIslander said:
Didnt Hester go off the last time? oh maybe that was when Roddy was down ---
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Last time the Falcons didn't have Julio or White was in Week 13 against Arizona. Douglas put up 9-116-0 on 12 targets.
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This guy knows what he's talking about. Convinced me to start Ryan last week. :)
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Thanks. :) Unfortunately as a Packers fan that one was a slam dunk. Green Bay's D almost always fails and fails badly against good passing teams. And I knew they didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of stopping Julio because their secondary talent is weak.
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How do you feel about starting Ryan this week?

 
Pretty much the same as last week. Obviously it won't help not having Julio if he's out or limited but Douglas has proven he can step in and perform at a high level when called upon to be the starter. Combine that with the fact both teams are terrible on defense so there should be plenty of scoring. I think Ryan's looking at another big game.

 
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Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
JIslander said:
Didnt Hester go off the last time? oh maybe that was when Roddy was down ---
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Last time the Falcons didn't have Julio or White was in Week 13 against Arizona. Douglas put up 9-116-0 on 12 targets.
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No. Week 3 they didn't have Roddy White. Harry Douglas proceed to go 2 for 14 and TD before getting injured. Hence the screwing.
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Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.

 
packersfan said:
Pretty much the same as last week. Obviously it won't help not having Julio if he's out or limited but Douglas has proven he can step in and perform at a high level when called upon to be the starter. Combine that with the fact both teams are terrible on defense so there should be plenty of scoring. I think Ryan's looking at another big game.
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How much of that goes to Douglas?

 
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush:

Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).

 
KingPrawn said:
packersfan said:
Pretty much the same as last week. Obviously it won't help not having Julio if he's out or limited but Douglas has proven he can step in and perform at a high level when called upon to be the starter. Combine that with the fact both teams are terrible on defense so there should be plenty of scoring. I think Ryan's looking at another big game.
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How much of that goes to Douglas?
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Tough to say but I think he's a bit healthier than Roddy right now which could help. Also, there is familiarity in terms of Douglas stepping into Julio's role and getting massive targets. Just look back to last season when he was putting up some big numbers. White wasn't healthy at that time either so perhaps we can look back to those games to get a potential picture of what could happen tomorrow.

A lot of it will likely come down to just how healthy Roddy is which is something none of us know. It was tough to really get a read on his health last week because the Falcons didn't need him against Green Bay with Julio going gonzo.

 
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush:

Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).
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I think he's pretty close to being a slam dunk for the following reasons:

1. Julio is the primary WR in the Atlanta passing game. If he's out, that role goes to Douglas

2. Douglas has performed well in that role as recently as last season

3. Roddy isn't 100% (which is similar to last season when Julio was out)

4. The game should feature plenty of scoring and plenty of passing

5. Ryan typically plays well at home

I think if Julio is out Douglas becomes a Must Start. Things will get dicey if Julio is active but we start hearing talk he could be limited or a decoy etc. Then it comes down to how much you're willing to roll the dice because the upside could still be there for Douglas. It just wouldn't be as clear cut.

 
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packersfan said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush:

Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).
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I think he's pretty close to being a slam dunk for the following reasons:

1. Julio is the primary WR in the Atlanta passing game. If he's out, that role goes to Douglas

2. Douglas has performed well in that role as recently as last season

3. Roddy isn't 100% (which is similar to last season when Julio was out)

4. The game should feature plenty of scoring and plenty of passing

5. Ryan typically plays well at home

I think if Julio is out Douglas becomes a Must Start. Things will get dicey if Julio is active but we start hearing talk he could be limited or a decoy etc. Then it comes down to how much you're willing to roll the dice because the upside could still be there for Douglas. It just wouldn't be as clear cut.
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OK. Fair enough, in the flex would you play him over the likes of Chris Johnson, Charles Johnson, Martavis Bryant, or Kenny Stills? Yeah, this is an AC question, but it might help others that have similar options who are trying to throw a dart at a board and win the lottery.

 
My starters are locked in except for WR2 (we start only 2) and Flex. If Julio is ruled out, I am starting H. Douglas over J. Mathews and K. Stills at WR2. Then at Flex I have to decide between Mathews, Stills and J. Graham.

 
packersfan said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush:

Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).
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I think he's pretty close to being a slam dunk for the following reasons:

1. Julio is the primary WR in the Atlanta passing game. If he's out, that role goes to Douglas

2. Douglas has performed well in that role as recently as last season

3. Roddy isn't 100% (which is similar to last season when Julio was out)

4. The game should feature plenty of scoring and plenty of passing

5. Ryan typically plays well at home

I think if Julio is out Douglas becomes a Must Start. Things will get dicey if Julio is active but we start hearing talk he could be limited or a decoy etc. Then it comes down to how much you're willing to roll the dice because the upside could still be there for Douglas. It just wouldn't be as clear cut.
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good post, solid reasons. Yes debating same myself. Put him in over Nate washington in one league and have lafell, julio douglas roddy and need to pick two. Great analysis, Im one who thinks Julio will sit this one out. Reports are he can barely run, that is not good not gonna heal overnight.

 
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush:

Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).
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I think he's pretty close to being a slam dunk for the following reasons:

1. Julio is the primary WR in the Atlanta passing game. If he's out, that role goes to Douglas

2. Douglas has performed well in that role as recently as last season

3. Roddy isn't 100% (which is similar to last season when Julio was out)

4. The game should feature plenty of scoring and plenty of passing

5. Ryan typically plays well at home

I think if Julio is out Douglas becomes a Must Start. Things will get dicey if Julio is active but we start hearing talk he could be limited or a decoy etc. Then it comes down to how much you're willing to roll the dice because the upside could still be there for Douglas. It just wouldn't be as clear cut.
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OK. Fair enough, in the flex would you play him over the likes of Chris Johnson, Charles Johnson, Martavis Bryant, or Kenny Stills? Yeah, this is an AC question, but it might help others that have similar options who are trying to throw a dart at a board and win the lottery.
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everyone but Charles Johnson.

 
T with T said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush: Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).
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I think he's pretty close to being a slam dunk for the following reasons:1. Julio is the primary WR in the Atlanta passing game. If he's out, that role goes to Douglas

2. Douglas has performed well in that role as recently as last season

3. Roddy isn't 100% (which is similar to last season when Julio was out)

4. The game should feature plenty of scoring and plenty of passing

5. Ryan typically plays well at home

I think if Julio is out Douglas becomes a Must Start. Things will get dicey if Julio is active but we start hearing talk he could be limited or a decoy etc. Then it comes down to how much you're willing to roll the dice because the upside could still be there for Douglas. It just wouldn't be as clear cut.
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OK. Fair enough, in the flex would you play him over the likes of Chris Johnson, Charles Johnson, Martavis Bryant, or Kenny Stills? Yeah, this is an AC question, but it might help others that have similar options who are trying to throw a dart at a board and win the lottery.
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everyone but Charles Johnson.
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Johnson has been balling

 
need2know said:
T with T said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Braktastic said:
packersfan said:
Week 13 was the most recent time the Falcons played without Julio or Roddy. I thought by "last time" that was the question - what happened in the most recent game when Julio or Roddy was out. Most recently was in Week 13 and Douglas had a strong game in place of White.
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Sorry. I guess I've forgotten what week we're in. I thought you were talking about last year. :blush: Still I don't think that he's a slam dunk. I guess I would be interested to know if he performs better replacing Jones or White. He's still one of those players that I am, admittedly, irrational towards (i.e. It seems that whenever I try to play him, he screws me).
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I think he's pretty close to being a slam dunk for the following reasons:1. Julio is the primary WR in the Atlanta passing game. If he's out, that role goes to Douglas

2. Douglas has performed well in that role as recently as last season

3. Roddy isn't 100% (which is similar to last season when Julio was out)

4. The game should feature plenty of scoring and plenty of passing

5. Ryan typically plays well at home

I think if Julio is out Douglas becomes a Must Start. Things will get dicey if Julio is active but we start hearing talk he could be limited or a decoy etc. Then it comes down to how much you're willing to roll the dice because the upside could still be there for Douglas. It just wouldn't be as clear cut.
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OK. Fair enough, in the flex would you play him over the likes of Chris Johnson, Charles Johnson, Martavis Bryant, or Kenny Stills? Yeah, this is an AC question, but it might help others that have similar options who are trying to throw a dart at a board and win the lottery.
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everyone but Charles Johnson.
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Johnson has been balling
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Chuck facing a tougher D this week in DET than last couple, though.

 
I can put it this way. In two leagues I have Harry and Julio I absolutely hope Julio does NOT play. I've heard enough to believe Julio would be so far less than 100% but he might not even outperform Douglas if he plays. But the other part of that equation is I feel entirely comfortable with Harry D if Julio is out and anyone who used Harry D last year when Julio was out should feel entirely good about him as well. He put over 15 FPG after Julio went out last season and that was with just two TD's and Tony Gonzalez getting his share of targets and TD's. As is 15 FPG put him right around WR #20 on average FPG. That's pretty much how I view him if Julio is out, like a low end top 20 WR option. Someone I'll be using with absolute confidence.

All this assumes PPR leagues, can't wrap my head around anything else anymore.

 
menobrown said:
I can put it this way. In two leagues I have Harry and Julio I absolutely hope Julio does NOT play. I've heard enough to believe Julio would be so far less than 100% but he might not even outperform Douglas if he plays. But the other part of that equation is I feel entirely comfortable with Harry D if Julio is out and anyone who used Harry D last year when Julio was out should feel entirely good about him as well. He put over 15 FPG after Julio went out last season and that was with just two TD's and Tony Gonzalez getting his share of targets and TD's. As is 15 FPG put him right around WR #20 on average FPG. That's pretty much how I view him if Julio is out, like a low end top 20 WR option. Someone I'll be using with absolute confidence.

All this assumes PPR leagues, can't wrap my head around anything else anymore.
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Would you start Ryan over sanchez?

 
need2know said:
menobrown said:
I can put it this way. In two leagues I have Harry and Julio I absolutely hope Julio does NOT play. I've heard enough to believe Julio would be so far less than 100% but he might not even outperform Douglas if he plays. But the other part of that equation is I feel entirely comfortable with Harry D if Julio is out and anyone who used Harry D last year when Julio was out should feel entirely good about him as well. He put over 15 FPG after Julio went out last season and that was with just two TD's and Tony Gonzalez getting his share of targets and TD's. As is 15 FPG put him right around WR #20 on average FPG. That's pretty much how I view him if Julio is out, like a low end top 20 WR option. Someone I'll be using with absolute confidence.

All this assumes PPR leagues, can't wrap my head around anything else anymore.
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Would you start Ryan over sanchez?
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That's a tough call, I'd probably lean Sanchez but this is one off those things if I owned a team with someone else and was staring that decision in the face I'd hope the other owner made the call so I could be happy if he was right and have someone else other than myself to blame if it went wrong. If you want me to be that guy for you, I'd slightly lean Sanchez.

All I can add to that is I have both of these QB's involved two decisions I need to make on starting lineups but not against one another. One is Ryan vs Manziel. I love Manziel, but I decided to stay with Ryan this week so thhat decision is made. Other league is Sanchez vs Cutler and that's a league I have a co-owner I'm hoping makes the call because I have no freaking idea but if I'm the one who has to input the lineup I'm leaning Sanchez.

 
Thanks for this thread. I need a sanity check right now because I've got him in over Flash Gordon in a ppr league right now.

I just think there is too much uncertainty with Johnny Football right now with his first NFL start and I can see him running all day to implement a conservative game plan the Browns want to play tomorrow.

Douglas on the other hand has historically shown he can produce when White or Julio are out and the match-up is so undeniably tasty right now.

With that said, please someone talk me out of sitting Gordon.

 
Anyone going with Roddy and Douglas if Julio is out? I'm thinking of putting Douglas in at the flex, over Landry, Charles Johnson, Wilson and Crowell in PPR. I'm wary of Landry being covered by Revis, that take away Johnson's 65-yard TD against the Jets and he's been right around 3 catches for 40-50 yards each of past three, that Wilson has never done anything and will be playing in the rain, and that Crowell splits carries and doesn't get any catches.

 
The Bengals are going to try and stuff the run game and probably put an LB spy on Manziel. Both Crowell and West will have plenty of touches today and Cincy will dare Johnny to go deep. If I had Jordan Cameron, I would be starting him, even if I had to flex him in PPR. This is from a Cleveland native that watches every game and lives for Browns Sunday.

To make this more relevant, I am starting Douglas over Charles Johnson in my playoffs. C. Johnson was picked up and the Browns had him this year before the season (I believe from Green Bay). With a team decimated at WR, there must be a reason that we didn't keep him.

My team is f'd six ways til today and losing Julio and the question of Jennings vs. Williams just adds to my issues in one league. My advice to everyone is roll the dice cuz you didnt get here by being stupid.

 
I can't get Bloom to answer me in the pinned Sunday questions post up above, but I get the feeling he is not high on Harry today. I think I will stick with Charles Johnson. On the other hand, Bloom also is higher on Moncrief than most.

 
LordHusker said:
I can't get Bloom to answer me in the pinned Sunday questions post up above, but I get the feeling he is not high on Harry today. I think I will stick with Charles Johnson. On the other hand, Bloom also is higher on Moncrief than most.
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I'm going with Douglas over Johnson if Julio is out. One thing Bloom said constantly is Douglas has a high floor. So if you need a relatively safe option, I'd go with Douglas.

 
Bloom would also tell you to start Martavis Bryant over Douglas this week in a PPR league despite him having caught more than 4 passes only once all season. Apparently we can predict touchdowns in fantasy now.

 
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