In A Pick Your Coach Draft, Where Does Nick Sirianni Rank Among Active NFL Head Coaches? (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Had a conversation today with someone I respect and we had a very different opinion of where Nick Sirianni would rank among NFL Head Coaches.

So wanted to ask the Shark Pool.

Assume it's for 1 year. In other words, age isn't a factor.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I count 18 that I'd definitely rather have ahead of him, and then a handful in the same range. I'm going to say 21-24, but could be convinced of 19-20 to put him in that higher tier if someone would hard sell. Most of the guys below him are just unproven coaches (Dave Canales, Jeff Ulbrich etc) or retreads who I don't really rate too highly (Dennis Allen, for example). I do think some of the unproven younger guys could turn out to be gems in the long-term, though.

 

[Hankmoody]

Really low

 

[Dizzy]

I don't have him in the very bottom tier, but only a notch above (still in red zone for possible replacement).

 

[Joe Bryant]

Really low

What number?

 

[Joe Bryant]

@eighsse2 can you elaborate?

 

[ChicoCat]

Not counting the ones hired in 2024.....I'd take him over McCarthy, Pederson, Pierce, McDaniel, Dabol and Allen...16th or 17th...I don't know much about Eberflus.

 

[eighsse2]

@eighsse2 can you elaborate?

I'm not very up on coaches in general, but I can't think of many teams off the top of my head who seem better overall than Sirianni's Eagles the last few years. The coach is not the team, but I don't have much to go on other than that.

 

[Rubi]

29

 

[cheese]

Not counting the ones hired in 2024.....I'd take him over McCarthy, Pederson, Pierce, McDaniel, Dabol and Allen...16th or 17th...I don't know much about Eberflus.

17th is right about where I landed as well. I'd put him in the Pederson/Payton tier of "have shown enough to make me think they know what they're doing, but I wouldn't want them this Sunday".

I consider these to be the top half of coaches in some order....

Campbell
Lafleur
Shanahan
Tomlin
Macdonald
Bowles
KOC
McDaniel
Mcvay
Harbaugh
Harbaugh
Reid
Steichen
Ryans
Stefanski
Taylor

 

[eighsse2]

Only reasons I can think of to rank him even as low as the bottom half is if you think the Eagles have a roster that ought to be around 13-4 every year, or if you consider rings as a major component of a coach's value.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

kind of funny to see this after Sunday's game, I wonder what people would have said last week compared to today coming off of a decent win. this was a win where Hurts didn't have to do much, Barkley did the heavy lifting. and this is what the Eagles are. if you buy into this narrative, then sirianni is a genius who has been carrying a middling QB and an aging defense to the playoffs, so he's certainly nowhere near the bottom even if you give all the credit to the coordinators who left. on that, too, how are they faring?

 

[Snotbubbles]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Not counting the ones hired in 2024.....I'd take him over McCarthy, Pederson, Pierce, McDaniel, Dabol and Allen...16th or 17th...I don't know much about Eberflus.

17th is right about where I landed as well. I'd put him in the Pederson/Payton tier of "have shown enough to make me think they know what they're doing, but I wouldn't want them this Sunday".

I consider these to be the top half of coaches in some order....

Campbell
Lafleur
Shanahan
Tomlin
Macdonald
Bowles
KOC
McDaniel
Mcvay
Harbaugh
Harbaugh
Reid
Steichen
Ryans
Stefanski
Taylor

On this list I’d have him equal or above Taylor, who is poor at preparation and is carried by Burrow and Chase, and McDaniel, whose inability to adjust after the Tua injury is alarming. And I’m not sure how to rank Stefanski because his ownership hamstrung him with Watson.

 

[Bankerguy]

Total clown. What does he bring to the table?

 

[titusbramble]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

But what if a league average coach would have gone .700 and binked a second ring? You can't just look at things like that. By that rationale Mike McCarthy was a great coach at Green Bay despite the fact that anyone remotely competent at playcalling would have got Rodgers a second title

 

[eighsse2]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

But what if a league average coach would have gone .700 and binked a second ring?

Do you really believe that would be the case, though? Is the roster that super-elite?

 

[Runkle]

Somewhere between 35 and 40, maybe not even top 50

 

[titusbramble]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

But what if a league average coach would have gone .700 and binked a second ring?

Do you really believe that would be the case, though? Is the roster that super-elite?

I don't know. I'm just asking the question. That teams have a winning record despite having a drag factor that is a bad head coach is not a new and surprising thing. Half of the forum could probably coach the Chiefs to a winning record, it doesn't make the FBG hive mind a good coach

 

[Snotbubbles]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

But what if a league average coach would have gone .700 and binked a second ring?

Do you really believe that would be the case, though? Is the roster that super-elite?

I don't know. I'm just asking the question. That teams have a winning record despite having a drag factor that is a bad head coach is not a new and surprising thing. Half of the forum could probably coach the Chiefs to a winning record, it doesn't make the FBG hive mind a good coach

The Eagles were a 4 win team when Sirianni took the helm. They've made the playoffs every year.

 

[titusbramble]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

But what if a league average coach would have gone .700 and binked a second ring?

Do you really believe that would be the case, though? Is the roster that super-elite?

I don't know. I'm just asking the question. That teams have a winning record despite having a drag factor that is a bad head coach is not a new and surprising thing. Half of the forum could probably coach the Chiefs to a winning record, it doesn't make the FBG hive mind a good coach

The Eagles were a 4 win team when Sirianni took the helm. They've made the playoffs every year.

I am shocked, just shocked, that a team decimated by injuries and hampered by terrible QB play would suddenly improve the season after when people are healthy and they stumble across a franchise quarterback! That new coach is really something!

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

 

[Zow]

Disclaimer: I strongly dislike the Eagles so I'm trying my best here to not be biased.

This is a tough call. Sirianni really looked like a great coach before the derailment of the team last year. That said, Roseman is arguably one of the best GMs and Sirianni's staff and roster is quite good.

I went with 21-24 because, at least per some football nerd podcasts I've listened to, it seems like he's a benefit of really good people around him. However, I'm not dropping him out of the top 30 because the track record should grant him some benefit of the doubt.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

 

[scothawk]

He ranks one place above Aaron Rodgers

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

 

[eighsse2]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

I think a lot of people, probably especially certain Eagles fans are reacting severely to the 1-7 finish last year. Terrible though that may be, a 10-0 streak followed by a 1-7 stretch equals an 11-7 record, which is very good.

 

[Golden Gopher]

I said 25-28. Only because, unless I misread/misunderstood the question, I thought we were talking about where we would draft him today, if we are starting a team. I'm not a fan of the guy, but I know there are at least four other current HC's who I would pass on before him. Not sure I can come up with eight, though, so 25-28 is where he landed for me (off the top of my head, not having gone through all 32).

If the question was to rank him on his performance during his tenure in Philly, that's a different story. He's probably top 10, easy. But, that's not the question.

Edit: 25-28. And I went back through all 32... I can come up with about 6 that I rank below Siriani, with another 3-4 that I'm simply not that familiar with. So, he's right on the fence between 21-24 and 25-28 for me.

 

[Saint]

I ranked him in the 21-24 range. I look at the offense and defense each week and the eagles have 0 points in the 1st quarter in every game this season. That is all coaching to me. That stat tells me the team is not prepared to play and are making massive adjustments during the game to compensate. Yes, they are 4-2 but I believe the record is hiding some major problems.

 

[Snotbubbles]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

But what if a league average coach would have gone .700 and binked a second ring?

Do you really believe that would be the case, though? Is the roster that super-elite?

I don't know. I'm just asking the question. That teams have a winning record despite having a drag factor that is a bad head coach is not a new and surprising thing. Half of the forum could probably coach the Chiefs to a winning record, it doesn't make the FBG hive mind a good coach

The Eagles were a 4 win team when Sirianni took the helm. They've made the playoffs every year.

I am shocked, just shocked, that a team decimated by injuries and hampered by terrible QB play would suddenly improve the season after when people are healthy and they stumble across a franchise quarterback! That new coach is really something!

LOL! They stumbled across a franchise QB. The Eagles were last in the league in pass attempts in 2021. They were 2-5 trying to be a pass based offense with Hurts and he was failing miserably. Then mid-season, they changed to a run based offense and started winning games. That's good coaching.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Would take over sirianni

Mcdermott
Reid
Harbaugh
Harbaugh
Tomlin
Ryans
Steichen
Payton
Campbell
Lafleur
Oconnell
Shanahan
Mcvay

Might take over Sirianni
Bowles
Quinn


would not take any of the first year coaches and probably not anyone else. So I guess around 16.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Wait is the theory here that the Eagles are some super stacked team and win in spite of him? Weren't they 4-11 the year before he got there? And only 9-7 the year before that?

 

[titusbramble]

Wait is the theory here that the Eagles are some super stacked team and win in spite of him? Weren't they 4-11 the year before he got there? And only 9-7 the year before that?

No, I'm saying you can't just look at win-loss and say it's all down to the coach. What is down to the coach is how many extra wins a team would get compared to a league average one, it's exactly the same as the argument as to whether Brady or Belicheck was more important to the Patriots, which was pretty much decided towards the former after he left for Tampa

 

[rockaction]

!) Sirianni
@) Bowles

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

 

[wgoldsph]

I ranked him in the 21-24 range. I look at the offense and defense each week and the eagles have 0 points in the 1st quarter in every game this season. That is all coaching to me. That stat tells me the team is not prepared to play and are making massive adjustments during the game to compensate. Yes, they are 4-2 but I believe the record is hiding some major problems.

This. The first drives are scripted each week and the eagles are 0-fer on those drives. That's all coaching. Hurts has gone from a league winner to dud and that's coaching. Barkley needs to be the center of the offense (see Sunday) and he's not... And that's coaching.
There's guys who shouldn't have jobs like McCarthy but I would take a rookie coach's upside just to see if they know how to adapt their game plan to the roster the Eagles currently have.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is not the demeanor of a top 20 coach

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[FreeBaGeL]

Wait is the theory here that the Eagles are some super stacked team and win in spite of him? Weren't they 4-11 the year before he got there? And only 9-7 the year before that?

No, I'm saying you can't just look at win-loss and say it's all down to the coach. What is down to the coach is how many extra wins a team would get compared to a league average one, it's exactly the same as the argument as to whether Brady or Belicheck was more important to the Patriots, which was pretty much decided towards the former after he left for Tampa

Ok....but Hurts ain't Brady, and the Eagles were a pretty middling team the two years before Sirianni got there. They essentially have one bad half season with him and have been one of the top teams in the league the rest of the time. There are a lot of coaches with QBs at least as good as Hurts that can't say anything like that, and many of them are guys being listed in this thread as obviously better than Sirianni.

Zac Taylor has been less consistent despite having Joe Burrow. Matt Lafleur has had 6 years of Aaron Rodgers (before he fell off) and Jordan Love and hasn't been to a Super Bowl. Andy Reid is the only coach that ACTUALLY has a guy that parallels to Brady. Mcdermott has had prime Josh Allen and only made it as far as the conference championship once (which they lost). Kevin Stefanski gets a pass for having crappy QBs but the two top QBs in the league in QB rating right now are guys that he used to have that were supposed to be too crappy to compete with.

And does Sirianni get no credit for putting together the play that is so easy and unstoppable that most fans think it should be banned from the league, but simultaneously so difficult to execute that not one single other team (even another team with a beefy QB like Josh Allen) has figured out how to copy successfully?

 

[karl.Racki]

Low.. I think he is going to be the coach, when his star players leave, they are going to talk about how much of a jerk he is.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Wonder if anyone wants to revisit their positions here.

I think Sirianni makes some mind numbing game day decisions to take points off the board, but his teams just keep winning. He's now 41-19 in his first 60 games. To put that in perspective, Andy Reid was 36-24 in his first 60.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Revisiting my posts I believe I'll stick with the range I voted for: 13-16. But, I'll move Sirianni up to 13 (was at 16) simply because the team keeps winning, in spite of his bonehead in-game decisions.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Now 43-19 as a HC. He's started taking the early points and stopped living on the edge.

 

[Runkle]

Like I said in the other thread, the clock mismanagement at the end of the half and some of the playcalling choices are still concerning to me. They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching. But if a coaching mistake happens in a playoff game and that turns out to be the difference between a W and L, it'll really hurt.

 

[BassNBrew]

Like I said in the other thread, the clock mismanagement at the end of the half and some of the playcalling choices are still concerning to me. They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching. But if a coaching mistake happens in a playoff game and that turns out to be the difference between a W and L, it'll really hurt.

That had to be the dumbest play call of the year. Take a shot at a FG or hail mary. There's no reason for a running play there.

 

[Deamon]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

 

[Runkle]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

 

[Deamon]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

 

[Runkle]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

 

[Deamon]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

Tougher games? Like the Panthers, giants, commanders (who you discounted earlier), and cowboys (who you discounted earlier)?