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In dynasty leagues, is Reggie Bush overrated? (1 Viewer)

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There is no question in my mind that Reggie Bush is an amazing talent and is the best rookie RB this year. That being said, he is incorrectly ranked #6 overall in the current dynasty rankings ahead of RBs like S. Jackson, Ronnie Brown and maybe even Lamont Jordan. For a guy that hasn't played a down in the NFL, will be sharing carries this year with Deuce, and may not get goaline carries, does anyone else think this is too high for him to be ranked? If there was an initial dyansty draft, would you take him in front of Jackson or Brown? I know I wouldn't...any insight on this from the message board or FBG would be appreciated...

 
Do a search. There are a number of posters who have a argued and put there money where their mouths are by taking Bush as high as #3 in an initial draft.

I don't neccessarily agree due to how risky a pick it is that early, but I can definitely see some arguments for him being a late 1st early or 2nd round pick (as all the RB's in that range have major question marks.)

 
In PPR, I'd take him higher than 1.06.

In regular leagues, he probably shouldn't go quite that high. He may not ever be a big time TD scorer.

 
In PPR, I'd take him higher than 1.06.

In regular leagues, he probably shouldn't go quite that high. He may not ever be a big time TD scorer.
EBF put his money where his mouth is and drafted Bush 1.3 in an initial dynasty draft (ppr) full of guys from this board.
 
He isn't if you think he is going to be a top 3 back in the next few years. Personally I think he will be a solid top 5-10 guy.

 
In PPR, I'd take him higher than 1.06.

In regular leagues, he probably shouldn't go quite that high. He may not ever be a big time TD scorer.
I agree that in a PPR league, he could be elite like LT a few years ago. I guess this is my point, in a regular scoring league I would not take him in front of Jackson and Brown for sure.
 
Its a combination of Bush's immense talent and the lack of a surefire long term stud RB after the top 4.
At this moment, Caddy, Brown and Jackson should be ranked in front of Bush in all league except PPR leagues as previously mentioned.Bush does have questions to answer about his size, durability and whether he will be used properly in NO. Will he be pulled at the goaline? Will he return punts and "take away" touches on offense? Will Duece be in NO after this season? These are legit questions, and seem to be more questions than the previous guys I mentioned.

 
I look at it this way:

- People are taking guys like Steven Jackson, Cadillac Williams, and Ronnie Brown in the top 6 despite the fact that they've proven very little at the professional level.

- Bush is a clearly better prospect than any of the aforementioned backs were when they entered the league. This is particularly true for PPR leagues, where his receiving skills should pay tremendous dividends.

I really don't think there's anything wrong with taking him in the top 5 of a PPR dynasty. I feel comfortable saying that he's probably the best RB available after the top 3-4 guys go off the board.

It's a different story in non-PPR leagues and in redraft leagues. He's sometimes being overrated in those formats.

 
What about in a keeper league where there is a limit on how many RBs are kept. My league, for example, allows each team to only keep one RB. With this format, most of the top 12 RBs are already being kept. With R.Brown, Cadillac, and Jordan the top choices this year, I would lean toward Bush, if only for his potential upside. Have Ronnie Brown and Caddy really answered that many questions? Sure, Ronnie may have a beter season this year, but what happens when Ricky comes back next year? Are you willing to take the chance he won't be back? I would roll the dice and try to get a possible stud.

 
IMO, best case is he's a legit #5 next year. LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis aren't going to fall of the face of the NFL this year, while Bush may be great, I highly doubt he'll do better than those 4. And they aren't exactly elderly.

After that though, it's almost a crap shoot. You could just as easily make a case for him over SJax, Caddy, Brown, etc. However, the extra risk of a player who has not played a down in the NFL, and really hasn;t shown an ability to be a workhorse (though he might be able to), make the 1.06 a bit high.

IMO, he's on par with McGahee. 1.10 or so seems about right.

 
I think what people lose sight in is: every pick you make comes with some amount of risk. So do you base your decisions off of proven perfomance, or potential performance? Neither is right or wrong. People continually base their projections off of previous years performance, and jump at others that have rankings out of the norm. Rankings change every year. There is turnover in the top 10 every year. You go with potential, previous years performance, or a combination of the two. Drafting Bush in the top 5 in dynasty is going off of potential obviously. Not wrong or right, time will determine that.

 
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IMO, best case is he's a legit #5 next year. LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis aren't going to fall of the face of the NFL this year, while Bush may be great, I highly doubt he'll do better than those 4. And they aren't exactly elderly.
I wouldn't put it past those guys. No player is a lock. In the past few years, elite guys like Holmes, Faulk, McAllister, Ahman, and Culpepper have seen their values take serious hits. I definitely see some risk with the flavors of the year in 2006. Alexander has a lot of carries under his belt and is coming off a fairly fluky 2005. Tomlinson has a lot of mileage. Johnson has never been the starter for a full season and he plays with an ancient supporting cast.

Portis is solid, but hardly spectacular.

After that though, it's almost a crap shoot. You could just as easily make a case for him over SJax, Caddy, Brown, etc. However, the extra risk of a player who has not played a down in the NFL, and really hasn;t shown an ability to be a workhorse (though he might be able to), make the 1.06 a bit high.
This is where I disagree with conventional wisdom. None of the guys you mentioned have proven that they can be a workhorse. None of them have ever logged more than 300 carries in a season. None of them have ever been top 10 fantasy RBs. Heck, Ronnie Brown has a whopping two 100 yard games to his name. The way I see it, these guys have hardly proven anything at the pro level. I happen to believe that Williams and Jackson will both become solid starters, but I also believe that Bush is a better player entering the league.

 
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I was amazed to get him @ 1.11 in a start up Dynasty recently. He wasn't in my game plan to be honest because I thought he'd be gone in the top 10. By the time he fell to me I really felt I couldn't not take him - love the potential.

Edit to add PPR league.

 
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IMO, best case is he's a legit #5 next year. LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis aren't going to fall of the face of the NFL this year, while Bush may be great, I highly doubt he'll do better than those 4. And they aren't exactly elderly.
I wouldn't put it past those guys. No player is a lock. In the past few years, elite guys like Holmes, Faulk, McAllister, Ahman, and Culpepper have seen their values take serious hits. I definitely see some risk with the flavors of the year in 2006. Alexander has a lot of carries under his belt and is coming off a fairly fluky 2005. Tomlinson has a lot of mileage. Johnson has never been the starter for a full season and he plays with an ancient supporting cast.

Portis is solid, but hardly spectacular.
Sure, there's risk on every player, but unless you want to start predicting injuries, I don't see where these guys, who have been consistently productive, will fall off this year. There's more risk on LJ and Alexander, but that risk is still significantly less than with Bush. Spare me the "mileage" talk with Tomlinson. How many hits does he actually take vs. other top RBs?

On Portis, you may not call it spectacular, but top 10 in yardage every year, 3 out of 4 in the top 5; along with 2 top 5 TDs and another in the top 10, doesn't impress you, be prepared to be disapointed with Bush.

 
Bush does have questions to answer about his size, durability and whether he will be used properly in NO. Will he be pulled at the goaline? Will he return punts and "take away" touches on offense? Will Duece be in NO after this season? These are legit questions, and seem to be more questions than the previous guys I mentioned.
There isn't a RB out there that you can't come up with a laundry list of questions about. Even each of the big 3 who are miles ahead of the rest have a lot of questions heading into this year.
LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis aren't going to fall of the face of the NFL this year
Says who? There are always inexplicable busts at the top every year and these guys are going into the season with more questionmarks than the top guys usually have. I would be very surprised if all 4 of these guys ended up at the top again next year, it's quite a rare thing to happen. When was the last time no top 3 overall pick busted?Bottom line is there have been top RBs with less questions than these guys have that just fell off the face of the Earth, and it has happened pretty consistently from year to year.

I think what people lose sight in is: every pick you make comes with some amount of risk. So do you base your decisions off of proven perfomance, or potential performance? Neither is right or wrong. People continually base their projections off of previous years performance, and jump at others that have rankings out of the norm. Rankings change every year. There is turnover in the top 10 every year. You go with potential, previous years performance, or a combination of the two. Drafting Bush in the top 5 in dynasty is going off of potential obviously. Not wrong or right, time will determine that.
Very well put.
 
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There isn't a RB out there that you can't come up with a laundry list of questions about. Even each of the big 3 who are miles ahead of the rest have a lot of questions heading into this year.
Every player has questions or cons every year. Good point. However, Bush's are far greater in the respect that he hasn't played in the NFL yet and is likely a RBBC for at least one year. That is significant IMO...
 
There isn't a RB out there that you can't come up with a laundry list of questions about. Even each of the big 3 who are miles ahead of the rest have a lot of questions heading into this year.
Every player has questions or cons every year. Good point. However, Bush's are far greater in the respect that he hasn't played in the NFL yet and is likely a RBBC for at least one year. That is significant IMO...
I suppose that's where we disagree, as I don't give the whole "has never played a down in the NFL" on nearly the credence some people do. It is one of the most overused terms in fantasy football IMHO.What has Ronnie Brown done with the downs he has played in the NFL? Shown he can put up a mediocre YPC in a RBBC? That doesn't do anything for to make me think he can handle 300+ carries.

You know who else had "played a down in the NFL"? William Green had. Kevin Jones had. Julius Jones had. Anthony Thomas had.

Heck, when you look at it, sophomore RBs coming off strong finishes in year 1 almost have a higher bust rate (especially relative to where they're picked) than rookies who "have never played a down in the NFL".

 
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Sure, there's risk on every player, but unless you want to start predicting injuries, I don't see where these guys, who have been consistently productive, will fall off this year. There's more risk on LJ and Alexander, but that risk is still significantly less than with Bush.
You're probably right, although I'd argue that Alexander may soon be approaching Faulk/Holmes status. He hasn't had the nagging injuries yet, but it's only a matter of time. It happens to the best of them.
Spare me the "mileage" talk with Tomlinson. How many hits does he actually take vs. other top RBs?
For the record, LT is my guy at 1.01, but you can't ignore the numbers.
On Portis, you may not call it spectacular, but top 10 in yardage every year, 3 out of 4 in the top 5; along with 2 top 5 TDs and another in the top 10, doesn't impress you, be prepared to be disapointed with Bush.
Some of that data is a bit irrelevant. He's not in Denver anymore.Since moving to Washington, Portis has been the #15 and #10 RB in my PPR league in terms of points/week. He's not going to hurt you at those numbers, but he's not going to give you an advantage at the RB1 slot. IMO, someone like Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, or Chad Johnson is a better pick in a PPR.

 
There isn't a RB out there that you can't come up with a laundry list of questions about.  Even each of the big 3 who are miles ahead of the rest have a lot of questions heading into this year.
Every player has questions or cons every year. Good point. However, Bush's are far greater in the respect that he hasn't played in the NFL yet and is likely a RBBC for at least one year. That is significant IMO...
I suppose that's where we disagree, as I don't give the whole "has never played a down in the NFL" on nearly the credence some people do. It is one of the most overused terms in fantasy football IMHO.What has Ronnie Brown done with the downs he has played in the NFL? Shown he can put up a mediocre YPC in a RBBC? That doesn't do anything for to make me think he can handle 300+ carries.

You know who else had "played a down in the NFL"? William Green had. Kevin Jones had. Julius Jones had. Anthony Thomas had.

Heck, when you look at it, sophomore RBs coming off strong finishes in year 1 almost have a higher bust rate (especially relative to where they're picked) than rookies who "have never played a down in the NFL".
:goodposting: That "never played a down" thing never fails to amuse me. I realize that some super-hyped players bust, but you can't ignore a player simply because he hasn't played in the NFL yet. Randy Moss hadn't played in the NFL before his rookie season. Anquan Boldin hadn't played in the NFL before his rookie season. Many top draft picks will bust, but the NFL stars of tomorrow are out there, and they haven't played in the NFL yet,

I have a pretty good track record with RBs. In 2004, I championed Kevin Jones. He led all rookies in rushing. In 2005, I championed Cadillac Williams. He led all rookies in rushing.

I liked those two guys quite a bit, and I can tell you that Reggie Bush is a vastly superior prospect for PPR purposes. I have a reputation for going overboard with rookies, but I actually usually only hype 1-2 guys each season. This year Bush is the one player that I'll stamp with my seal of approval. I absolutely guarantee you that he will not be a bust in the NFL unless he gets injured. It's not possible.

Now, will he justify a top 10 pick in a dynasty draft? That's a tougher question, but I think top 15 is a realistic possibility in PPR leagues. Catches will add tremendously to his value in that format, where I think he can eventually be like a suped-up version of Brian Westbrook.

 
I suppose that's where we disagree, as I don't give the whole "has never played a down in the NFL" on nearly the credence some people do. It is one of the most overused terms in fantasy football IMHO.
I guess it's overused when it's not used properly, like when discussing a rookie who has not played in the NFL. Rookies are a big risk, and there are no guarantees. To think Bush is money before he proves it, is betting on potential as another poster stated, which does involve risk.
 
That "never played a down" thing never fails to amuse me. I realize that some super-hyped players bust, but you can't ignore a player simply because he hasn't played in the NFL yet. Randy Moss hadn't played in the NFL before his rookie season. Anquan Boldin hadn't played in the NFL before his rookie season. Many top draft picks will bust, but the NFL stars of tomorrow are out there, and they haven't played in the NFL yet,

I have a pretty good track record with RBs. In 2004, I championed Kevin Jones. He led all rookies in rushing. In 2005, I championed Cadillac Williams. He led all rookies in rushing.

I liked those two guys quite a bit, and I can tell you that Reggie Bush is a vastly superior prospect for PPR purposes. I have a reputation for going overboard with rookies, but I actually usually only hype 1-2 guys each season. This year Bush is the one player that I'll stamp with my seal of approval. I absolutely guarantee you that he will not be a bust in the NFL unless he gets injured. It's not possible.

Now, will he justify a top 10 pick in a dynasty draft? That's a tougher question, but I think top 15 is a realistic possibility in PPR leagues. Catches will add tremendously to his value in that format, where I think he can eventually be like a suped-up version of Brian Westbrook.
Many players do bust and there are no guarantees. I respect your opinion EBF, probably more than any poster here outside of Bloom when discussing rookies. You convinced me to take Caddy last year with your arguements and I'm thankful for it.I didn't start this thread to say Bush will bust. I don't think he will. I just don't think he's worth the #6 overall dynasty ranking RIGHT NOW in my league which is not PPR. A few years from now may be a different story, time will tell. I asked earlier if the staff rankings include PPR. If so, then it makes more sense. If not, I think the ranking is inflated and he should be in the 10-12 range.

Good discussion guys...

 
Sure, there's risk on every player, but unless you want to start predicting injuries, I don't see where these guys, who have been consistently productive, will fall off this year. There's more risk on LJ and Alexander, but that risk is still significantly less than with Bush.
You're probably right, although I'd argue that Alexander may soon be approaching Faulk/Holmes status. He hasn't had the nagging injuries yet, but it's only a matter of time. It happens to the best of them.
Spare me the "mileage" talk with Tomlinson. How many hits does he actually take vs. other top RBs?
For the record, LT is my guy at 1.01, but you can't ignore the numbers.
On Portis, you may not call it spectacular, but top 10 in yardage every year, 3 out of 4 in the top 5; along with 2 top 5 TDs and another in the top 10, doesn't impress you, be prepared to be disapointed with Bush.
Some of that data is a bit irrelevant. He's not in Denver anymore.Since moving to Washington, Portis has been the #15 and #10 RB in my PPR league in terms of points/week. He's not going to hurt you at those numbers, but he's not going to give you an advantage at the RB1 slot. IMO, someone like Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, or Chad Johnson is a better pick in a PPR.
Portis was the #6 RB in both of my PPR leagues last year, #11 in 2004. Fair enough on the Denver comment.
When was the last time no top 3 overall pick busted?
Just checking one draft1 Fullback Fro - RB Ladanian Tomlinson

2 Rudnicki - QB Peyton Manning

3 Rush - RB Shaun Alexander

Peyton may not have been a great pick, but he didn't "bust".

You probably meant more, top 3 on average, so: http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2005/draft_analysis

1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 1.94 1 142 2716

2. Alexander, Shaun SEA RB 3.76 1 214 2618

3. Manning, Peyton IND QB 3.81 1 141 2539

 
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Top 3 by year according to the provided MFL link:

2006

1. Larry Johnson

2. LaDainian Tomlinson

3. Shaun Alexander

2005

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Shaun Alexander

3. Peyton Manning (Holmes was 4th)

2004

1. Priest Holmes

2. LaDainian Tomlinson

3. Ahman Green

2003

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Ricky Williams

3. Clinton Portis

2002

1. Marshall Faulk

2. Kurt Warner

3. Ahman Green

2001

1. Marshall Faulk

2. Edgerrin James

3. Daunte Culpepper

2000

1. Edgerrin James

2. Marshall Faulk

3. Eddie George

1999

1. Terrell Davis

2. Fred Taylor

3. Brett Favre

I'll let someone else figure out which of these picks were busts.

 
I'll put on my silly Nostradomus-looking hat and say: Reggie Bush is certainly fast, quick, smart and elusive BUT he's not big enough to be a top 3 back and his situation won't warrant him being that in the foreseeable future.

He's listed at 200 and looks more like 190 or so.

There's been a few highly talented,smaller RBs with the same hype and size but made a great living being able to not be hit hard: Emmitt, Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, etc. Emmitt was 215, Faulk was 211, Holmes is 218. Warrick Dunn is 180 and as smart as they come but he's not a #1 RB in the FFL sense.

Bush won't be able to run around DE's and LB's like he did in college and the biggest tell-tell to me was that he wasn't playing in the 4th quarter in the MNC against Texas. He's not a 'tween the tackles type of RB which means he's more a super Warrick Dunn than a smaller Emmitt.

No doubt in my mind though: he's going to make the ESPN highlight videos every 3rd week like Michael Vick but that is not what I'm looking for in a top 10 RB in the FFL sense. If I'm an NFL owner looking to sell seats, that's a different story...

Couple that with (1) being in New Orleans, (2) playing with Deuce, (3) always playing behind, I don't put him in front of a lot of guys in the next 5 years which is what I count as a dynasty player (honestly, who tries to predict a 10 year career anyway?)

To me, he more of a 10-15 type of dynasty RB.

 
For starters I would certainly say that Peyton was a bust this past year for people drafting him in the top 3. He was drafted by people expecting him to near repeat his 49TD performance....he got just over half that. For all intents and purposes he was a top 3 pick who performed like a 3rd round pick.

And on to the list..

2005

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Shaun Alexander

3. Peyton Manning (Holmes was 4th) - bust for the reasons mentioned above

2004

1. Priest Holmes - played in only 8 games

2. LaDainian Tomlinson

3. Ahman Green - bust, half as many FP as 2003.

2003

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Ricky Williams - Bust to an extent, 600 fewer yards and 6 fewer TDs than 2002.

3. Clinton Portis - Bust, career lows in every category. I owned him and he played like a 2nd rounder at the cost of a top 3 pick.

2002

1. Marshall Faulk - Bust, as a top pick, 500 fewer yards and 9 fewer TDs than 2001.

2. Kurt Warner - Bust on a colossal level.

3. Ahman Green

2001

1. Marshall Faulk

2. Edgerrin James - Bust...torn ACL

3. Daunte Culpepper -Bust, 4000/40 down to 2600/19

2000 - No busts, and surprisingly was one of the weakest top tiers heading in.

1. Edgerrin James

2. Marshall Faulk

3. Eddie George

1999

1. Terrell Davis - Bust, self-explanitory.

2. Fred Taylor - Bust, 700/6 before injury.

3. Brett Favre- Close call I suppose, though I would say bust for 22TD 23INT out of a top 3 pick at QB pretty easily.

So there we have it, pretty much one year in the last 7 that didn't have a top 3 guy end up performing like a 2nd rounder (usually much worse).

 
There's been a few highly talented,smaller RBs with the same hype and size but made a great living being able to not be hit hard: Emmitt,  Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, etc.  Emmitt was 215, Faulk was 211, Holmes is 218.  Warrick Dunn is 180 and as smart as they come but he's not a #1 RB in the FFL sense.
Disagree. Size is overrated. Look at the players he most compares to:Tiki Barber - 5'10" 200

Brian Westbrook - 5'8" 203

Marshall Faulk - 5'10" 211

Reggie Bush - 5'10.7" 201 (at the combine)

If Barber and Westbrook can do it, then there's no reason why Bush can't.

Bush won't be able to run around DE's and LB's like he did in college and the biggest tell-tell to me was that he wasn't playing in the 4th quarter in the MNC against Texas. 
Like I said, LenDale White was a dominant college player. Even Michael Jordan didn't take every shot. Also, the argument that he won't be able to run around DEs and LBs holds little weight. I suggest you check the 40 times for the DEs and LBs at the combine this year. If I remember correctly, only a handful of LBs clocked under 4.5. Most of the top prospects were in the 4.5-4.7 range. I'm sure the DEs were a lot slower.

He's not a 'tween the tackles type of RB which means he's more a super Warrick Dunn than a smaller Emmitt.
Was Marshall Faulk a 'tween the tackles type of RB? Is Tiki Barber? Is Brian Westbrook? Bush scored 16 rushing TDs last year. They weren't all long runs.
Couple that with (1) being in New Orleans, (2) playing with Deuce, (3) always playing behind, I don't put him in front of a lot of guys in the next 5 years which is what I count as a dynasty player (honestly, who tries to predict a 10 year career anyway?)

To me, he more of a 10-15 type of dynasty RB.
Fair gripes there, although I still say he'll threaten for the top 15 in PPR leagues as early as next season.
 
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(3) always playing behind
I would think this would be good for Bush. I imagine Bush will be the guy they have in the game when they're behind and passing due to his receiving abilities and big play ability, and for a RB that's good at receiving abandoning the I-form run isn't something that is necessarily detrimental. It usually means lots of dump-offs, screens, and draws which all play to Bush's strengths. Look at what it did for LT's receiving numbers and YPC when SD was always playing from behind.
 
For starters I would certainly say that Peyton was a bust this past year for people drafting him in the top 3. He was drafted by people expecting him to near repeat his 49TD performance....he got just over half that. For all intents and purposes he was a top 3 pick who performed like a 3rd round pick.

So there we have it, pretty much one year in the last 7 that didn't have a top 3 guy end up performing like a 2nd rounder (usually much worse).
You and I have different ideas of what a "bust" is. Care to go through the years and find how many rookies bust?

 
For starters I would certainly say that Peyton was a bust this past year for people drafting him in the top 3. He was drafted by people expecting him to near repeat his 49TD performance....he got just over half that. For all intents and purposes he was a top 3 pick who performed like a 3rd round pick.

So there we have it, pretty much one year in the last 7 that didn't have a top 3 guy end up performing like a 2nd rounder (usually much worse).
You and I have different ideas of what a "bust" is. Care to go through the years and find how many rookies bust?
:goodposting:
 
For starters I would certainly say that Peyton was a bust this past year for people drafting him in the top 3. He was drafted by people expecting him to near repeat his 49TD performance....he got just over half that. For all intents and purposes he was a top 3 pick who performed like a 3rd round pick.

So there we have it, pretty much one year in the last 7 that didn't have a top 3 guy end up performing like a 2nd rounder (usually much worse).
You and I have different ideas of what a "bust" is. Care to go through the years and find how many rookies bust?
How many teams that drafted Peyton Manning did you see winning championships last year? Would you consider Larry Johnson a bust this year if he went for 1200/10 as the #1 overall pick? Peyton essentially did the equivalent of this last year....a top 3 overall pick that performed like a 3rd rounder or later. Heck, Ahman Green did better than that coming off his 2300/20 season and he was considered by most to be an enormous bust.If Gates were drafted in the 2nd round this year and put up 750/5 would you not consider that a bust? What about Randy Moss this past year, was he not a bust? And Moss wasn't even a top 3 overall pick, imagine if he had had the season he had this past year (1000/8) as a top 3 overall pick, would that not have been considered a major bust (heck most already consider him a major bust this past year even as a late 1st/early 2nd round pick).

What the hell does finding how many rookies bust have to do with anything? I was only responding to the point that was brought up that the top 4 this year are sure-fire things that can't possibly bust, because every year there are sure-fire things that can't possibly bust that quite frankly, do.

 
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IMO, best case is he's a legit #5 next year. LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis aren't going to fall of the face of the NFL this year, while Bush may be great, I highly doubt he'll do better than those 4. And they aren't exactly elderly.
I wouldn't put it past those guys. No player is a lock. In the past few years, elite guys like Holmes, Faulk, McAllister, Ahman, and Culpepper have seen their values take serious hits. I definitely see some risk with the flavors of the year in 2006. Alexander has a lot of carries under his belt and is coming off a fairly fluky 2005. Tomlinson has a lot of mileage. Johnson has never been the starter for a full season and he plays with an ancient supporting cast.

Portis is solid, but hardly spectacular.
Sure, there's risk on every player, but unless you want to start predicting injuries, I don't see where these guys, who have been consistently productive, will fall off this year. There's more risk on LJ and Alexander, but that risk is still significantly less than with Bush. Spare me the "mileage" talk with Tomlinson. How many hits does he actually take vs. other top RBs?

On Portis, you may not call it spectacular, but top 10 in yardage every year, 3 out of 4 in the top 5; along with 2 top 5 TDs and another in the top 10, doesn't impress you, be prepared to be disapointed with Bush.
:goodposting: Deuce looms large when healthy. Reggie is a weapon that will be utilized in situations where his skills fit best. Reggie won't be a feature RB. Took Bush with the first pick of my dynasty rookie draft so I'm no hata. He'll be fun to watch but a word of caution. The NFL has not seen a player with his hype enter the league since Kijana Carter. Kijana is a fitting example for anyone arguing the top RBs could crash and burn. Reggie will be in a RBBC and of the major components of determining dynasty RB rankings, situation is HUGE.

Dynasty RB factors

1 - Health

2 - Talent

3 - Situation

4 - Age

Reggie could rank higher with PPR scoring, otherwise his situation will dictate his FF production.

This is how I have dynasty RB rankings in non PPR leagues.

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1 - Tomlinson San Diego Chargers

2 - Larry Johnson Kansas City Chiefs

3- Shaun Alexander Seattle Seahawks

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Elite class, no explanation recuired.

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4 - Steven Jackson St. Louis Rams

5 - Clinton Portis, Washington Redskins

6 - EDGE Indianapolis Cards

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Second tier of clear cut stud RBs (see Stephen Jackson ranking in Kevin Jones ranking)

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7 - Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Bucs

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Caddy is in a seperate category. He exploded onto the scene last year but didn't hold up so durability is an issue. Suspected last year that Caddy would have durability issues since he never carried the load in college and split carries in a RBBC and doesn't have the largest frame, much akin to Reggie.

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8 - Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins

9 - Kevin Jones Detroit Lions

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Ronnie was the most talented back last year but lacked the killer instinct to take over as the lead RB. His situation would be a RBBC for as long as Ricky was around. Now he has no competition and he should step up. Recall a guy who used to be with the Browns, Kevin Mack. Ronnie's situation is much like Kevin Mack. Mack came in to the Browns from the USFL, a big 6' 232lb 4.5 forty RB but he lacked confidence. Browns head coach Sam Ratigliano saw the lack of confidence and didn't let him fade into the background but instead told him that he was going to be his feature RB and once he was forced into that role he stepped up. Saban last year saw the shaky confidence of Brown and made public mention of it. Anyone who read that situation knew Ricky was going to be seeing lots of touches last year but now Saban has Ronnie Brown and hes talented enough to step up bigtime.

Martz is going to use KJ ALA Marshall Faulk and he says that KJ has caught handled everything he's asked of him. If you recall how Martz used over twenty different variations of the Rams stapled running play called 'THE FLIP' where Marshall would do that patented 'STOP STUTTER STEP' then take the ball and go. One play with twenty variations. The defense ALWAYS seemed to get caught off-guard with the FLIP. Absolute GENIUS at work with Martz. Marshall was solid but not ALL-WORLD till he hooked up with Martz. The stellar success of Padre with KC sprang from the great O-line AND the rushing attack tips Vermiel picked up from Martz. Stephen Jackson is more suited to the verticle spread attack that Scott Lineham will use and Lineham has stated he's going to feed Jackson so that is why I have Jackson ranked #4.

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10 - Willis McGahee Buffalo Bills

11 - Lamont Jordan, Oakland Raiders

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I've never been particularily high on either but I do not place my gut above solid production and situations. They earned the rankings even though I just don't feel 'good' about either of them.

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12 - Rudi Johnson Cincinati Bengals

13 - Jamal Lewis Baltimore Ravens

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Both coming off injury and with a mild competition yet each is more than capable of being dominating when healthy and being fed the ball. Rudi wasn't 100% last year but is rumored to be now, expect big things from him. Jamal is NOT washed up contrary to what many folks believe/parrot. The ankle injury was the exact same one that pitcher Kurt Shilling had and it has an 18 month recovery period. He got injured in November of 2004 meaning he was not projected to be 100% till February of this year 2006. Note Jamal only had two-100 yard rushing games last year but both came within the last five games of the year when he was getting closer to being healthy and when Boller began to put together some decent passing stats. Last year Jam missed the entire off-seaon, EVERYTHING! All, OTAs, mini camps, training camp, preseason games. He was coming in off injury, he was unhappy with his contract, he had no football contact of any kind in nine months and both Ogden and Mulitaulo were injured and Zues was on his last legs. That O-line is still a question mark but Jam is back, he's healthy, he's happy/under contract, and he's got a QB for the first time in his career to keep defenses from cheating by stacking the box. Anyone who has said that Jamal is done is in for a big shock this year.

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14 - Reggie Bush Saints

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Talent-O-plenty. The Saints will find unique ways to get him touches but they are not going to put Reggie into situations where they have a better option. Deuce McAllister's place is assured if/when he's healthy. Bush and Deuce should compliment each other but it wouldn't surprize if they posted similiar point totals in two very different roles. The caveat being that both are healthy and Deuce won't be 100% this year. Reggie has to learn pass protections and their has been no contract negotiations yet so a holdout is possible.

I bumped Bush up a few notches over, Westbrook, Julius Jones, and Deuce, because each of those players are coming off injuries and with formidable competition to tap into their touches. Simply can't rank him higher than the RBs listed above him but that is my humble opinion. :)

 
Edit/Correction.

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8 - Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins

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Ronnie was the most talented back last year but lacked the killer instinct to take over as the lead RB. His situation would be a RBBC for as long as Ricky was around. Now he has no competition and he should step up. Recall a guy who used to be with the Browns, Kevin Mack. Ronnie's situation is much like Kevin Mack. Mack came in to the Browns from the USFL, a big 6' 232lb 4.5 forty RB but he lacked confidence. Browns head coach Sam Ratigliano saw the lack of confidence and didn't let him fade into the background but instead told him that he was going to be his feature RB and once he was forced into that role he stepped up. Saban last year saw the shaky confidence of Brown and made public mention of it. Anyone who read that situation knew Ricky was going to be seeing lots of touches last year but now Saban has Ronnie Brown and hes talented enough to step up bigtime.
The player I was thinking of was Mike Pruit not Mack. Mack was similiar to Mike Pruit but actually was in a classic RBBC with Byner. Mike Pruit took over as the feature back under Sam Ratigliano, Mack was in a RBBC in the Marty Shottenhiemer regime. Actually both would apply to Ronnie Brown situation nicely and probably caused my confusion.
 
Though I'm not overly thrilled with Reggie Bush's future. I can understand those that are.

In a dynasty league start-up draft, I took Ricky Williams #6 over-all when he was a rookie.

Worked out well enough for me. May do the same for those that believe in Bush. Time will tell if their guts were right.

 
For all of those people who would like to see Mike Vick play running back, you now have a chance. Reggie Bush is Mike Vick lining up at RB.
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