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In this thread I rank my favorite Beatles songs: 204-1. (1 Viewer)

krista4

Footballguy
ANNOUNCE:

1.  I'm going to try to bounce through some more of these bottom-dwellers as quickly as I can today.  Frankly it gets depressing talking about the stuff I don't like when I really want to get to the ones I do, and I don't have a lot to say about them sometimes.

2.  By popular demand, where available I'll include a Youtube link as well as Spotify.  They might be different versions, because I'm just going to take whatever comes up first and don't have the kind of time necessary to synch them.

3.  Unrelated but because it came up earlier in this thread, my own dear mother just sent me an email entitled "OMG" and letting me know that The Mooch will be on Celebrity Big Brother.  Of course, I told her that Henry Ford from the internet had already let me know.

 

Uruk-Hai

Footballguy
The first memory I have of the Beatles that I can still recall is "Yellow Submarine", but I don't remember the context or whether it was when Revolver was out or the movie soundtrack a couple of years later. I'm sure I heard some of the earlier songs just by osmosis, but this is the first I can still recall 50 years later. I was at my grandmother's house, I remember (I can still picture her dog in this memory), and I'm guessing my aunt played it either on the radio or on record. I was sitting on the floor and thought it was the coolest thing ever.

The above-mentioned aunt was probably the biggest influence on my pop culture leanings. She's the older of my mom's two half-sisters and is ten years older than I am.  She became a hippie chick in the late 60s. She got me onto Tolkien, Blazing Saddles, and Grand Funk.

Anyway, back to the Beatles.......... one night several years ago I was visiting she and her husband. The Beatles came on the radio and I asked if she saw them on Sullivan.

She said " I did. I had just started puberty. By the time they were finished playing that night, I was through puberty". 

 

krista4

Footballguy
200.  Dig It

Beatles versions:  Spotify  YouTube

I don't.

For years I thought, "Hey, other than the stupid talking at the end, this isn't so bad.  Maybe I'd like a full-length version of it."  Then I heard the full-length version.   :mellow:   Poor "Wild Honey Pie" wouldn't have been in the cellar at #204 if they'd released that version instead.  I'm not even going to link it here, because I wouldn't do that to you guys.  Spoiler:  it features six-year-old Heather McCartney on vocal.

As released, it's not that bad with the exception of the end bit, but I just can't rank it higher given it is clearly just a snippet, and the other snippet-songs are preferable to me.  At 50 seconds, I don't bother skipping this one, but there's nothing here that interests me.

Speaking of the end bit, given that the next song on the record was Let It Be, was that statement "Now we'd like to do Hark the Angels Come" meant to be a dig on Paul and his style of music?

Mr. krista:  "They were probably playing Like a Rolling Stone and then somebody said they had to sing stuff."

Suggested cover:  Michael Jackson It's not really a cover, but this is for funsies.

 
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krista4

Footballguy
One more and then I'll break for a bit.  The "white album" is getting pretty beat up in my rankings.  That will eventually change, but not anytime soon.   :(  

199.  Honey Pie

Beatles versions:  Spotify  YouTube

Some of what John termed Paul's "granny music," this vaudeville sound harkens back to the dance halls of the 20s and 30s.  It highlights to me two of either the positives or the negatives of Paul's songs, depending upon your perspective:

1.  This is the first of the "imagined worlds" songs from Paul, as he conjures a movie star named Honey Pie.  I mentioned earlier that I prefer the more personal approach of John's songwriting, but some people enjoy the creativity of these little worlds Paul imagines.

2.  Sometimes it seems like Paul is so good at creating any kind of music, that he almost seems to be parodying them.  To be clear, I don't think he means to, and that he is sincere in his love for these genres, but as an example, on this one I feel like the addition of the old phonograph sounds at the beginning, as well as the use of his vocal in an old-fashioned way could dip into parody.  This "slipping into" parody will come up again later in our discussion of Rocky Raccoon.

I think this song sounds authentic and true to what Paul was intending to do.  The guitar work is terrific, and the song's overall sound stylish, for lack of a better word.  It's just not for me.  I find it a bit hammy, and I'm not particularly interested in this type of music - see post #3 where I mention I don't like nostalgia, which to me is what this is all about.

Mr. krista:  "I’d rather see this song performed by Gene Wilder and a big monster in a Mel Brooks movie."

Suggested covers:  Glenn Williams  I don't know who this is, but I kind of dig it, even the off-key parts.  I enjoy the uke.  And for the rest of you:  Olivia Newton-John  She's dreamy.

 
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Uruk-Hai

Footballguy
2.  Sometimes it seems like Paul is so good at creating any kind of music, that he almost seems to be parodying them.  To be clear, I don't think he means to, and that he is sincere in his love for these genres, but as an example, on this one I feel like the addition of the old phonograph sounds at the beginning, as well as the use of his vocal in an old-fashioned way could dip into parody.  This "slipping into" parody will come up again later in our discussion of Rocky Raccoon.
Paul's problem, John's too, is that he needed someone to tell him "no". Once the two of them fell out, and they were "fell out" on this album especially, they ran amok. Both were so talented that they could still hit the bulls-eye enough to offset some of that. It got worse on their solo records, but it's very apparent on the White album. 

Put another way, I think the early/mid Beatles' Paul & John enhanced each other when they collaborated. I think, Sgt Pepper and later, they - at best - cancelled each other's worst tendencies when they'd still actually work together (as opposed to using each other as sidemen, which is what happened on the White Album). Which still brought the world some stunning music.

Or put yet another way, they were both terrible self-editors. 

 

krista4

Footballguy
Paul's problem, John's too, is that he needed someone to tell him "no". Once the two of them fell out, and they were "fell out" on this album especially, they ran amok. Both were so talented that they could still hit the bulls-eye enough to offset some of that. It got worse on their solo records, but it's very apparent on the White album. 

Put another way, I think the early/mid Beatles' Paul & John enhanced each other when they collaborated. I think, Sgt Pepper and later, they - at best - cancelled each other's worst tendencies when they'd still actually work together (as opposed to using each other as sidemen, which is what happened on the White Album). Which still brought the world some stunning music.

Or put yet another way, they were both terrible self-editors. 
Fabulous post.  There’s another song coming up later where I intended to make the point that I feel like Paul needed a best friend to be honest with him and say, “No, don’t do [a particular thing].”  But your application of that principle more broadly seems spot on.

 
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Nathan R. Jessep

That Hug Life
Have only read the OP so far, but I'm intrigued by your project. I, too, was a late Beatles adopter, and probably haven't heard most of their catalog, so I'll be interested in your findings. :thumbup:  

 

Dinsy Ejotuz

Footballguy
krista4 said:
Mr. krista:  "It’s dumb.  I could hear Ray Davies listening to that, and thinking 'WTF?  That’s what they did?  We are better – I knew it!  We’ve been better this whole time!'  That sounds like the Kinks ####### around on a Village Green outtake."
This made me lol.

 

krista4

Footballguy
And also for the cover versions, not to spoil things but I hope to see the name Wes Montgomery at least once or twice
I am more than happy to entertain anyone’s suggestions on covers.  I have some jotted down, mostly for songs I like much better, but I don’t think I have any of his and will be in the lookout.

 Also will check out the group that @BroncoFreak_2K3 mentioned.

 

Dinsy Ejotuz

Footballguy
#1 My Sweet Lord (Harrison)
#2 Instant Karma (Lennon)
#3 What is Life (Harrison)
#4 Imagine (Lennon)
#5 Silly Love Songs (McCartney)
#6 It Don't Come Easy (Starr [Harrison])
#7 Band on the Run (McCartney)
#8 Jet (McCartney)
#9 Photograph (Starr)
#10 Give Me Love (Harrison)
#11 With a Little Luck (McCartney)
#12 Live and Let Die (McCartney)
#13 Maybe I'm Amazed (McCartney)
#14 Listen to What the Man Says (McCartney)
#15 Stand by Me (Lennon [King])
#16 Give Peace a Chance (Lennon)
#17 Another Day (McCartney)
#18 Happy X-mas (Lennon)
#19 Whatever Gets You Through the Night (Lennon)
#20 Let Em In (McCartney)
#21 Watching the Wheels (Lennon)
#22 Starting Over (Lennon)
#23 Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey (McCartney)
#24 Woman (Lennon)
#25 #9 Dream (Lennon)

Oof.  I left "Oh Yoko" off this list -- what an oversight.  Slots into top five I think.

 
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krista4

Footballguy
These songs so far would make a great mix tape for your favorite Beatles hater.
My favorite Beatles hater is @KarmaPolice.   :)  

Beatles are like my favorite band but I couldn’t take this on. Top twenty would be an agonizing affair. Kudos krista and Mr  krista  

P.S. I don’t skip anything on the White Album. It must be ingested whole. 
As I mentioned to Henry earlier, some of these songs might rank higher if I listened to them in context rather than in isolation.  As it is, I listen to them mostly in two settings:  (1) Beatles channel in the car, which I rarely change to a different channel, including a 14-hour roadtrip last summer (aren't you glad you aren't married to me?), and (2) on the Spotify playlist i have set up with all the Beatles songs and then randomize them while working out, hiking solo, walking anywhere, etc.

 

krista4

Footballguy
Let's give the poor White Album a break and go to another cover song that I find worse than the original.

198.  Bad Boy

Beatles versions:  Spotify  YouTube

One of three songs by Larry Williams that the Beatles covered on their records, this is the only one where I feel they didn't do him justice.  John simply can't match the shriek of Williams's "Now Junior, behave yourself!" or his Coasters-esque deeper-range "Bad boy!" (which the Beatles version omits entirely); George's guitar sounds plodding in comparison to the rollicking of the original; and to my ears the cover really misses the saxophone.  Maybe as merely a wannabe "bad boy" at that time, John just couldn't hit the depths of the true "bad boy" Larry Williams, who's a bit of a tragic figure.  Drugs and violence throughout his life, ending in a "ruled suicide" that many people suspect was a murder, he might be better known at this point for pulling a gun and threatening to kill Little Richard more than for any of his songs, if the Beatles hadn't covered them.  

I enjoy the other songs they covered from Williams - "Slow Down" and "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" - but feel like this one falls flat.  See if you agree:  original.

By the way, is it just me or did Larry Williams look a lot like Terrence Howard?

Mr. krista is a man of few words on this one:  "Yeah.  I got nothin'."

 

Nigel Tufnel

Footballguy
My favorite Beatles hater is @KarmaPolice.   :)  

As I mentioned to Henry earlier, some of these songs might rank higher if I listened to them in context rather than in isolation.  As it is, I listen to them mostly in two settings:  (1) Beatles channel in the car, which I rarely change to a different channel, including a 14-hour roadtrip last summer (aren't you glad you aren't married to me?), and (2) on the Spotify playlist i have set up with all the Beatles songs and then randomize them while working out, hiking solo, walking anywhere, etc.
That makes perfect sense. I missed that. 

 

KarmaPolice

Footballguy
My favorite Beatles hater is @KarmaPolice.   :)  

As I mentioned to Henry earlier, some of these songs might rank higher if I listened to them in context rather than in isolation.  As it is, I listen to them mostly in two settings:  (1) Beatles channel in the car, which I rarely change to a different channel, including a 14-hour roadtrip last summer (aren't you glad you aren't married to me?), and (2) on the Spotify playlist i have set up with all the Beatles songs and then randomize them while working out, hiking solo, walking anywhere, etc.
:lol:  

Hater might be strong.  I have a respect for them, but don't really like to listen to them.  That's why I asked if you were doing a spotify list - I would really like to sit down and give your top 25-30 songs an honest go.  

 

krista4

Footballguy
Just. No on Bad Boy. Couldn't even make it through thirty seconds. Swell pick. We're in, um, agreeance.  
Let's enjoy it while we can. ;)   Btw, your two favorites ended up much higher, and in reverse order, than I initially thought.

 
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krista4

Footballguy
202.  A Taste of Honey

Beatles version

I've always disliked this song just as a Beatles recording (without reference to what it covers), but in this instance it almost makes me angry how much worse they made it.  I feel like they made it almost unrecognizable, which is not bad in and of itself.   I'd rather have someone do that than note-by-note mimicry (hello, Weezer's Africa!), but in this case I feel that they fell far short with their version, not only compared to the original, but also compared to other covers just before and after theirs. 

The original is an instrumental, slow-paced, and used as a recurring theme in a Broadway show:  original.  The instrumental by Acker Bilk was out before the Beatles recording and is a lovely, fully formed song.  The version I'm most familiar with, and didn't realize for a long time was the same as the Beatles song(!), is the Herb Alpert version, which came out slightly after theirs.  I think his upbeat, Latin-jazzy version is a lot of fun, and overall I prefer the instrumentals of this one.  Inserting the words in has always sounded a little "Bill Murray sings Star Wars" to me.  However, you can do a decent vocal version of this; you just need to be Billy Dee Williams.

When I listen to these various versions, I feel like (though don't know) the Beatles were trying to most closely resemble the Acker Bilk version, which is languid and haunting.  To me, though, their attempt at haunting comes out as jarring instead.  Maybe their vocals just hadn't developed enough at this point, but it sounds like kids trying to do what they think "serious grown-ups" think would sound nefarious and spooky.  It's really only the double-tracking that gives it any depth at all.  I don't think they were ready for the complexity of this song, and I think it fails.  This one is an insta-skip for me.

Mr. krista:  "Yeah I don't like it."  
I asked Mr. krista about this song again.  Updated remarks:  "Of course I hate this.  It's like a poisonous slug.  It's prima facie terrible.  It sucks the moisture out of infants' eyes and leaves them dead."

 

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