Indefinite Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Mork and Brady playing checkers and not marbles - upgrade ! ☠ (5 Viewers)

[Chaka]

Gruden drafted a kicker

in the 1st rd

Raiders ...the gift that keeps on giving...me ulcers

Al Davis drafted a kicker.

 

[SDJohnny]

If into our draft history you look, pain only you will find.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

If into our draft history you look, pain only you will find.

Sadly……this is the way

 

[kaso]

Osemele Hudson and Jackson all had good years after

Nah. None of them even came close to justifying their bloated salaries after they left.

And this was the group that quit on Carr over some national anthem kneeling BS right? That could be the reason Gruden came in and blew them up.

I do agree that before that rumored moment, they were an awesome OL and that the Raiders haven't had anything close since.

They may not have played up to their salaries but they were still decent to good linemen. I feel the same about letting ellumenour (sp?) walk. After he stopped false starting he was actually decent.

I think he read this before you hit post

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Osemele Hudson and Jackson all had good years after

Nah. None of them even came close to justifying their bloated salaries after they left.

And this was the group that quit on Carr over some national anthem kneeling BS right? That could be the reason Gruden came in and blew them up.

I do agree that before that rumored moment, they were an awesome OL and that the Raiders haven't had anything close since.

They may not have played up to their salaries but they were still decent to good linemen. I feel the same about letting ellumenour (sp?) walk. After he stopped false starting he was actually decent.

I think he read this before you hit post

He really did improve. I was screaming in here when he was constantly getting flagged.

 

[LawFitz]

Osemele Hudson and Jackson all had good years after

Nah. None of them even came close to justifying their bloated salaries after they left.

And this was the group that quit on Carr over some national anthem kneeling BS right? That could be the reason Gruden came in and blew them up.

I do agree that before that rumored moment, they were an awesome OL and that the Raiders haven't had anything close since.

They may not have played up to their salaries but they were still decent to good linemen. I feel the same about letting ellumenour (sp?) walk. After he stopped false starting he was actually decent.

I think he read this before you hit post

He really did improve. I was screaming in here when he was constantly getting flagged.

You're pining for an overpaid, washed-up OL + Germ Eluminor, who at best, were equivalents to Daverek Carr.

Most important for an NFL team by far are GM (Spytek/Brady) and HC (Carroll). Then QB*. Then OL. Then DL. Hopefully they got the first two right this time, and are proper upgrades to Mayden Grudock.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Osemele Hudson and Jackson all had good years after

Nah. None of them even came close to justifying their bloated salaries after they left.

And this was the group that quit on Carr over some national anthem kneeling BS right? That could be the reason Gruden came in and blew them up.

I do agree that before that rumored moment, they were an awesome OL and that the Raiders haven't had anything close since.

They may not have played up to their salaries but they were still decent to good linemen. I feel the same about letting ellumenour (sp?) walk. After he stopped false starting he was actually decent.

I think he read this before you hit post

He really did improve. I was screaming in here when he was constantly getting flagged.

You're pining for an overpaid, washed-up OL + Germ Eluminor, who at best, were equivalents to Daverek Carr.

Most important for an NFL team by far are GM (Spytek/Brady) and HC (Carroll). Then QB*. Then OL. Then DL. Hopefully they got the first two right this time, and are proper upgrades to Mayden Grudock.

Pining for? No. Is he better than some of the schlubs on the current roster? Yes. 2 years for 14 million is not Carr money.

as to the second part. Of course.

 

[Chadstroma]

Connor McQueen being added at Assistant WR coach.
Apparently got a lot of NFL interest this winter.

 

[joey]

Most important for an NFL team by far are GM (Spytek/Brady) and HC (Carroll). Then QB*. Then OL. Then DL. Hopefully they got the first two right this time, and are proper upgrades to Mayden Grudock.

What does the * next to QB denote?
I was expecting a footnote or something.

 

[LawFitz]

Most important for an NFL team by far are GM (Spytek/Brady) and HC (Carroll). Then QB*. Then OL. Then DL. Hopefully they got the first two right this time, and are proper upgrades to Mayden Grudock.

What does the * next to QB denote?
I was expecting a footnote or something.

Deleted the footnote. It said *QB may be more important, but it doesn't need to be solved for first. Need a capable OL to protect the new cube.

 

[joey]

Most important for an NFL team by far are GM (Spytek/Brady) and HC (Carroll). Then QB*. Then OL. Then DL. Hopefully they got the first two right this time, and are proper upgrades to Mayden Grudock.

What does the * next to QB denote?
I was expecting a footnote or something.

Deleted the footnote. It said *QB may be more important, but it doesn't need to be solved for first. Need a capable OL to protect the new cube.

Right on. Makes sense. Can’t get anything by me

 

[fatness]

Gruden was clearly the long term guy until Dan Snyder, and the league, assassinated him.

I'm just stopping in to say that this is one of the many reasons Dan Snyder is a horrible person.

 

[joey]

Gruden was clearly the long term guy until Dan Snyder, and the league, assassinated him.

I'm just stopping in to say that this is one of the many reasons Dan Snyder is a horrible person.

let me count the ways

 

[Hankmoody]

Free agency is next. I'm going to reference compensatory picks a bit so will just put out a (very) broad primer:

If we lose more free agents than we sign, we can get compensatory picks for the excess loss. Only players changing teams factor in, so re-signing our own doesn't lose us a comp pick, aside from fact that we may have gotten a comp pick had we let him go. The pick we get in return won't be until 2026 and the round it's in will be based on the size of the contract that's signed.

For example, if we lose Malcolm Koonce we'll probably get a 4th round 2026 comp pick.
If we then sign Justin Fields he'd likely cancel out the 4th we'd get for Koonce.

If we re-sign Trevon Moehring, that wouldn't cancel out the 4th we get for Koonce, but we might get another 4th if we chose not to bring Moehring back.

Not all signings cancel out picks we can gain. Only guys on expiring contracts are part of the comp pick formula, so guys that were cut by their team don't count.

So if we sign Kirk Cousins after ATL cuts him (relaaaaaaaaax, it's just an example) he would NOT cancel out that Koonce pick like Fields would.

There's a ton more to it but that's general enough for what I'm going to cover here.
QB - Gardner Minshew, Aiden O'Connell, Carter Bradley
The obvious #1 priority. Justin Fields would perfectly fit Chip Kelly's system. Russell Wilson and Pete go way back but I'd like to pass on that. Sleeper thought - Daniel Jones is quite mobile and his big criticism is an inability to pull the trigger downfield, but Kelly's offense has a lot of quick read/react to it. Jones could be a good bridge to a developmental QB. We can't go into the draft like we did last year with no fallback plan, there's no guarantee we see a QB at 6 which could force a massive reach on developmental guys.

edit: I've been convinced in another thread that Darnold would work here too. That's far and away my 2nd choice behind Fields if MIN is somehow dumb enough not to FT Darnold and I might even prefer him to Fields.

RB - Zamir White, Alexander Mattison, Ameer Abdullah, Sincere McCormick.
A close #2 priority is a playmaker here. This might be the most boring RB crew in the league. Bangers and plodders and JAGs oh my. The lesson of letting a guy like Jacobs leave isn't "this is what you'll miss out on from Josh" as much as "this is what you'll be left with". Yikes. I don't want to draft Jeanty at 6 (anything goes if we trade down though), so getting this locked up before the drat helps avoid that temptation.

WR - Jakobi Meyers, Tre Tucker, a couple future high school phys ed teachers.
The only reason this isn't a screaming #2 priority is ... well, there isn't one. Even if you pull out the "this offense runs through Bowers" which it does, and the "Chip Kelly's offense relies on concepts rather than stunning talent" (um, did you even watch tOSU play last year with their 4 future round 1/2 picks????)) this position still needs an upgrade. Meyers is as solid as they get and Tucker is a nice WR3 to him and Bowers but there's no depth and there's no alternnative skill set for Kelly to create with. Everyone's dreaming about Tee Higghins but Christian Kirk should be a cut from JAX that I like but there are so so many guys we could add for help.

TE - Brock Bowers, Michael Mayer, Harrison Bryant, Justin Shorter
No real need here although Kelly might be able to get creative if we get a chance to add talent - Evan Engram should be another JAX cap casualty. I'd like to see Mayer step up his production to match his draft status. Shorter's a guy I always thought would make it at WR in this league, maybe he can get something done as a move TE. Bryant is a free agent but solid veteran option if we bring him back.

OL - before I break this out, some overall thoughts.
Nothing glaringly wrong here but nothing spectacular either. I'd like to see perpetual heavy investment in the draft to build the unit but we could bolster in FA first. If we can strike a star player do it, but even if not we need to keep bringing in veterans and see where we can make incremental upgrades, even if only at depth so we don't get people killed the millisecond a starter has to step into the blue tent for a tape job.

OT - Kolton Miller, DJ Glaze, Thayer Munford
Need a talent refresh here. Miller has declined so we need to enact a succssion plan now. Glaze looked solid as a rookie. Munford is a solid swing tackle but this area needs an upgrade. There will be a lot of guys we should be looking at hit the market - none more than Ronnie Staley, Baltimore has a tendency to let big dollar free agents walk and take the comp picks and we're not in a comp pick positive situation yet so we should not hesitate to spend here. Cam Robinson is another one to look for.

IOL - Jackson Powers-Johnson, Dylan Parham, Jordan Meredith, Cody Whitehair, Andre James
Solid depth here. I wouldn't hate getting aggressive if we get a chance - Trey Smith will cost premium money but is the top option and would hurt KCC in the process. JPJ looks like a start who could play at G or C and would be a great tandem with Smith. Meredith was solid in reserve and someone (free agent) we should be able to re-sign cheap. You can't fix everything in one year so this might be a position we spend minimally on and hold on for dear life until we can develop draft picks.

Special teams - AJ Cole, Daniel Carlson, and someone who snaps the ball
Borderline spectacular unit here, probably bring in a couple of young guys to "compete" who really just act as names in the rolodex in case of injury.

EDGE - Maxx Crosby, Tyree Wilson, Malcolm Koonce, K'Lavon Chaisson, Janarius Robinson, Charles Snowden, Andre Carter
A giant, a giant bust, a giant potential, and a bunch of giant dreams. Koonce is a FA and we missed a chance last year to give him a cheap feel-good contract last year to come back for a prove it deal. I suspect he'll price out of what we want to pay. Chaisson flashed nicely and he's a former 1st round pick we should be re-signing instead much cheaper than Koonce. I was a big fan of Carter leading into his draft process, maybe he can develop too. Robinson/Snowden have flashed and provide serviceable cheap depth. EDGE is a tough position to spend on in FA - anyone with a pulse gets huge money relative to the production so there are lots of big swing and big misses. I'm not a fan of big spending here yet - we need to spend on sure-fire upgrades, not premium potential but risks at this point. Keep signing guys like Chaisson and see if we can't get some production. My only specific name here is Azeez Ojulari - he got lost in NYG with Burns and Thibodeaux so maybe he can step into an open role and produce.

IDL - Christian Wilkins, Adam Butler, guys I can't even bring myself to name
I wasn't a fan of the Wilkins contract per my note above, spending premium dollars on one guy really hurts when it's a miss. I know injury blah blah but he didn't have the impact that contract demands even when we was in. 8 tackles and 2 sacks in 5 games extrapolate to 27 tackles and 6.7 sacks. 7 sacks isn't even top 10 at DT and 27 tackles doesn't crack top 20. Maybe Tyree Wilson bulks up and moves inside full time - my eyeball observations is he's much less slow off the snap when he lines up at DT. We need to sign 2-3 guys for solid mid-level contract and get mid-level play out of them so we quit getting abused up the middle like BJ Hill or Osa Odighizuwa and of course re-sign Adam Butler.

LB - Robert Spillane, Devine Diablo
It's like a broken record - the starters aren't awful but there's nothing to even type up after them which is a killer when starters miss time. Oh, and both starters are Free agents too. Obviously start by re-signing both (neither should command premium money, and Spillane is worth every penny just for his leadership) and then, again, bring in 3-4 guys on non-blockbuster contracts to compete and improve. Lavonte David is old but can still play. Dre Greenlaw won't break the bank due to risk but it's a cheap risk with a high payout potential. Tyrell Dodson, EJ Speed, Kyzir White, there are a lot of names here that can be brought in at reasonable salaries.

CB - Jack Jones, Decamerion Richardson, Nate Hobbs, Jakorian Bennett, Scrub1, Scrub2
If we had two quality starters I would like this depth. As is = yuck. Richardson got a lot of snaps so good learning on the job but they all have a long way to go to become a competitive secondary. We could use two starters here and unlike DL you can usually get solid veterans at competitive salaries. Jaire Alexander was very good in GB but has been hurt and may be a cap casualty and Kendall Fuller also doesn't factor into the compensatory formula and is likely better than anyone we currently have.

S - Trevon Moehring, Marcus Epps, and others not worth re-signing as free agents.
Moehring is going to get big offers and I wouldn't want to put top 15 money on him, Epps will be reasonable. Byard would probably be 1/2 the price of Moehring, just as perectly decent, and not a comp factor either. More big need here.

 

[joey]

Thanks for the write up, @Hankmoody

I went from very optimistic after the coaching additions, and now have come right back to earth again where I should have been in the first place judging from past history.

That breakdown shows how little top talent there is on this team.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

@Hankmoody solid!

 

[Hankmoody]

I've been convinced in another thread that Darnold would work here too. That's far and away my 2nd choice behind Fields if MIN is somehow dumb enough not to FT Darnold and I might even prefer him to Fields.

 

[Mitchie]

I've been convinced in another thread that Darnold would work here too. That's far and away my 2nd choice behind Fields if MIN is somehow dumb enough not to FT Darnold and I might even prefer him to Fields.

Think Darnold will be an option, seems like Vikes are preparing to turn the keys over

 

[LawFitz]

Darnold would work

 

[SDJohnny]

The more I read about Ward and Sanders the more I like Darnold. If we sign Darnold we can still draft an impact rookie. If we draft Sanders when we have to wait and hope he turns into something and loose out on another top rookie. I think Kelly and Darnold could be a good combination.

 

[Chadstroma]

Champ Kelly and the organization have mutually agreed to part ways. A big loss in my view. I expect him to be a GM for someone in the not too many seasons down the road.

 

[joey]

Champ Kelly and the organization have mutually agreed to part ways. A big loss in my view. I expect him to be a GM for someone in the not too many seasons down the road.

[strikethru] WTF [/strikethru]

ETA: lol. I read that as CHIP Kelly. Ha. Sorry

 

[LawFitz]

There can only be one CHP Kelly Raider at a time. Good luck to Champ. Better luck to Chip.

 

[kaso]

Champ Kelly and the organization have mutually agreed to part ways. A big loss in my view. I expect him to be a GM for someone in the not too many seasons down the road.

[strikethru] WTF [/strikethru]

ETA: lol. I read that as CHIP Kelly. Ha. Sorry

I did the same. And as a previously scorned Raider fan, it didn't seem too far fetched.

 

[Chaka]

Champ Kelly and the organization have mutually agreed to part ways. A big loss in my view. I expect him to be a GM for someone in the not too many seasons down the road.

I expect him to be a GM too someday, which is why I am disappointed they weren't able to work something out to retain him, for the draft pick compensation that would come when he got that opportunity.

 

[kaso]

Raiders announced the signing of S Isaiah Pola-Mao today.
Contract terms weren't in the news release I saw

 

[kaso]

Contract is a 2 year $8.5M Deal

From the X Desk of Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites):

John Spytek’s 1st Raiders MoveRFA Isaiah Pola-Mao would’ve required a 1 Yr Tender for $3.5M+Took a page out of #49ers Book. For a maximum of $8.5M, Raiders have the player under contract for 2 (yes TWO) seasons.This is what 49ers have done for Yrs with RFAs. Gives team leverage

 

[Chadstroma]

Contract is a 2 year $8.5M Deal

From the X Desk of Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites):

John Spytek’s 1st Raiders MoveRFA Isaiah Pola-Mao would’ve required a 1 Yr Tender for $3.5M+Took a page out of #49ers Book. For a maximum of $8.5M, Raiders have the player under contract for 2 (yes TWO) seasons.This is what 49ers have done for Yrs with RFAs. Gives team leverage

Obviously this Forbes guy knows what he is talking about with that kind of name.

 

[kaso]

Contract is a 2 year $8.5M Deal

From the X Desk of Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites):

John Spytek’s 1st Raiders MoveRFA Isaiah Pola-Mao would’ve required a 1 Yr Tender for $3.5M+Took a page out of #49ers Book. For a maximum of $8.5M, Raiders have the player under contract for 2 (yes TWO) seasons.This is what 49ers have done for Yrs with RFAs. Gives team leverage

Obviously this Forbes guy knows what he is talking about with that kind of name.

Instant credibility. I only follow Chads on X

 

[Tau837]

Contract is a 2 year $8.5M Deal

From the X Desk of Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites):

John Spytek’s 1st Raiders MoveRFA Isaiah Pola-Mao would’ve required a 1 Yr Tender for $3.5M+Took a page out of #49ers Book. For a maximum of $8.5M, Raiders have the player under contract for 2 (yes TWO) seasons.This is what 49ers have done for Yrs with RFAs. Gives team leverage

A lot of RFAs are not tendered and re-sign 1 year deals with their teams for less than the tender amount. This is only a smart move if this is a market value contract for him. I have no idea, but his PFF grades aren't very good.

 

[ZADO]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

 

[Chaka]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

 

[Chaka]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

That might not be good enough.

 

[joey]

Stafford: makes no sense for the current state of this team.
Off-season optimism appropriately reduced if this happens.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

That might not be good enough.

Are you implying that it’s still tampering? The rams explicitly gave his agent full recourse to explore options with other teams.

 

[Chadstroma]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

And a #1 WR and a RB. A top CB would be good too but other than that.... we are so close to a SB!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

And a #1 WR and a RB. A top CB would be good too but other than that.... we are so close to a SB!

You ok Chad?

 

[joey]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

And a #1 WR and a RB. A top CB would be good too but other than that.... we are so close to a SB!

You ok Chad?

Even @Chadstroma has an Optimism Limit, it seems.

 

[Chadstroma]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

And a #1 WR and a RB. A top CB would be good too but other than that.... we are so close to a SB!

You ok Chad?

Even @Chadstroma has an Optimism Limit, it seems.

The offense is a mess so Chip has a lot of work cut out for him and there are a lot of pieces that are needed. On top of it, there are reasons the Rams are open to moving on from Stafford.

I love Meyers but I think he is best as one of the better #2's than a #1. Tre looks like a speed specialist to stretch the field. With a true #1 then that really make a huge difference adding in Bowers and Mayer.

Even if it was the hideous offense - White showed he is not the RB we hoped for. Mattison is not the guy either and Abdullah and (maybe) Laube are pieces to use not focal points of a running game.

LT is solid. RT with Glaze is ok. Power-Johnson are Center is good but we need a big upgrade at Guards. Parham seemed to have degressed... again, I will allow for the possibility it was the wide zone blocking scheme that dingbat put in but I am not going to bet my money on that just as much as I am not going to bet my money on it being the excuse for White.

I do like the defense.... if largely brought back (or if not, upgraded) and healthy. Koonce, Wilkins and Crosby all healthy is a scary defensive line. Our cornerbacks are ok but I would feel much more comfortable if we had a true lock down corner.... with that added, this defense remaining mostly healthy is a top defense.

There is just a lot of work to be done. My real point was that bringing in Stafford is not going to turn the ship around. There is a lot of pieces to work on for resigning, drafting and free agency for me to really be excited or not about this team. A lot of moves have to hit right for us to make playoffs just for the fact that the Chefs, Donkeys and Dolts are all teams that are not going to be pushovers.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

And a #1 WR and a RB. A top CB would be good too but other than that.... we are so close to a SB!

Well, Washington was a 3 win team in 2023. Added a good QB and almost went to the Superbowl.

How do you even properly evaluate guys when you have subpar QB play? Honestly, just having a guy like that in the locker room and QB room to maybe mold a young QB would be worth it. Depending on the cost . . . why not?

 

[Chaka]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

That might not be good enough.

Are you implying that it’s still tampering? The rams explicitly gave his agent full recourse to explore options with other teams.

"Although the Rams have given Stafford’s agent permission to speak to other teams, there’s been no indication that the Rams have issued broad permission for Stafford to visit with other teams’ coaches, executives, or owners. Absent such permission, any meeting between Stafford and Brady would amount to a tampering violation."

 

[joey]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

That might not be good enough.

Are you implying that it’s still tampering? The rams explicitly gave his agent full recourse to explore options with other teams.

"Although the Rams have given Stafford’s agent permission to speak to other teams, there’s been no indication that the Rams have issued broad permission for Stafford to visit with other teams’ coaches, executives, or owners. Absent such permission, any meeting between Stafford and Brady would amount to a tampering violation."

This is ridiculous. Don’t they know that it was Tom Brady the BROADCASTER who met with Stafford?! Not Tom Brady the minority owner of the Raiders? Duh

 

[Chaka]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

That might not be good enough.

Are you implying that it’s still tampering? The rams explicitly gave his agent full recourse to explore options with other teams.

"Although the Rams have given Stafford’s agent permission to speak to other teams, there’s been no indication that the Rams have issued broad permission for Stafford to visit with other teams’ coaches, executives, or owners. Absent such permission, any meeting between Stafford and Brady would amount to a tampering violation."

This is ridiculous. Don’t they know that it was Tom Brady the BROADCASTER who met with Stafford?! Not Tom Brady the minority owner of the Raiders? Duh

Apparently that's correct-ish. The NFL said it wasn't tampering.

 

[joey]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

My first question is did the Rams give Stafford permission to seek a trade? If not, isn't that tampering?

My second thought is it seems like a move you make when you think you can make a deep run.

He's still playing at a high level and he's definitely willing to play through pain. Then again he's 37, the end can come quick, fast and in a hurry at that age. He is also constantly nursing all manner of injury. In addition he'll want a $50+ mil per year contract and could cost a first round (and change) pick. IMO, no way is Stafford worth the #6 pick for this team.

If they're in the trade market, I'd rather see them make the move with Tennessee for Cam Ward.

Realistically, they can probably stand pat and still have a chance to get Shedeur. If they miss out then BPA nets them a top player and gives Peyton Manning 2.0 (... Drew Bledsoe 2.0???) another year to prove he's the guy.

The rams gave him permission.

That might not be good enough.

Are you implying that it’s still tampering? The rams explicitly gave his agent full recourse to explore options with other teams.

"Although the Rams have given Stafford’s agent permission to speak to other teams, there’s been no indication that the Rams have issued broad permission for Stafford to visit with other teams’ coaches, executives, or owners. Absent such permission, any meeting between Stafford and Brady would amount to a tampering violation."

This is ridiculous. Don’t they know that it was Tom Brady the BROADCASTER who met with Stafford?! Not Tom Brady the minority owner of the Raiders? Duh

Apparently that's correct-ish. The NFL said it wasn't tampering.

My dumb joke became reality. I’m a brilliant football mind.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

“ran into each other while skiing”

 

[DocHolliday]

Saw this on the Stafford thread

Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.

Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

Rodgers now an odds on favorite to go to Rams. This would definitely put Stafford somewhere else.

Anywhere but the raiders

Stafford would be very interesting. Gonna really need to upgrade the line

And a #1 WR and a RB. A top CB would be good too but other than that.... we are so close to a SB!

You ok Chad?

Even @Chadstroma has an Optimism Limit, it seems.

The offense is a mess so Chip has a lot of work cut out for him and there are a lot of pieces that are needed. On top of it, there are reasons the Rams are open to moving on from Stafford.

I love Meyers but I think he is best as one of the better #2's than a #1. Tre looks like a speed specialist to stretch the field. With a true #1 then that really make a huge difference adding in Bowers and Mayer.

Even if it was the hideous offense - White showed he is not the RB we hoped for. Mattison is not the guy either and Abdullah and (maybe) Laube are pieces to use not focal points of a running game.

LT is solid. RT with Glaze is ok. Power-Johnson are Center is good but we need a big upgrade at Guards. Parham seemed to have degressed... again, I will allow for the possibility it was the wide zone blocking scheme that dingbat put in but I am not going to bet my money on that just as much as I am not going to bet my money on it being the excuse for White.

I do like the defense.... if largely brought back (or if not, upgraded) and healthy. Koonce, Wilkins and Crosby all healthy is a scary defensive line. Our cornerbacks are ok but I would feel much more comfortable if we had a true lock down corner.... with that added, this defense remaining mostly healthy is a top defense.

There is just a lot of work to be done. My real point was that bringing in Stafford is not going to turn the ship around. There is a lot of pieces to work on for resigning, drafting and free agency for me to really be excited or not about this team. A lot of moves have to hit right for us to make playoffs just for the fact that the Chefs, Donkeys and Dolts are all teams that are not going to be pushovers.

Sometimes I totally disagree with Chad. I totally agree his take on Stafford. It makes no sense. It’s probably the type of move you make a year from now if you are still challenged at QB. LV has some great young pieces that could be part of a good team in a year or two.

 

[fatness]

Well, Washington was a 3 win team in 2023. Added a good QB and almost went to the Superbowl

Hey now. Washington won 4 games in 2023.
Never Forget.