Chadstroma
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Greg Olsen QB
Chris Beatty WR
Deland McCullough RB
Chris Beatty WR
Deland McCullough RB
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Indefinite Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Mork and Brady spinning dimes counting comp picks ☠ (13 Viewers)
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joey
Footballguy
thinking of dynasty roster cut down coming at end of March....where does McCormick fall on this spectrum? I've got him hanging at the end of a couple of my dynasty benches.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Florida Gators assistant defensive backs coach Beyah Rasool set to be hired as a Defensive Assistant.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Upgrade Raiders passing game opponents
joey
Footballguy
Droppable, eh?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's enough salt for quite a few margaritas. He's just an assistant, Graham is the steady hand here and will call plays.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It was more tongue-in-cheek than anything for the reason you stated, but I'll be keeping a closer eye on how this develops now vs yesterday. It wasn't just his scheme that caused problems in the past, if anything it appeared poor communications was a bigger problem. Could really go for a marg now though. Rocks, salt on the rim.
joey
Footballguy
Pretty good injection of youth on offensive skill positions in the first 3 rounds of this mock…
www.profootballnetwork.com
If we improve the OL thru free agency, I could get behind this.
7-Round 2025 NFL Mock Draft: Suprise at First Overall, Ashton Jeanty Joins Tom Brady, Shedeur Sanders Replaces Deshaun Watson
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If we improve the OL thru free agency, I could get behind this.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I like the concept (and love Dart in the third, I doubt he lasts that long) but would rather trade down from Jeanty at #6 to pick up extra assets and take Henderson later.Pretty good injection of youth on offensive skill positions in the first 3 rounds of this mock…
7-Round 2025 NFL Mock Draft: Suprise at First Overall, Ashton Jeanty Joins Tom Brady, Shedeur Sanders Replaces Deshaun Watson
The NFL Draft season is fully underway. With the first round getting closer and closer, let's take a look at PFSN's latest 2025 NFL Mock Draft.
If we improve the OL thru free agency, I could get behind this.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Cut him.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Best outcome possible.
Apparently it is hard to win games when the pressure to stop giving the games over by the refs makes it a decently called game.
Apparently it is hard to win games when the pressure to stop giving the games over by the refs makes it a decently called game.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Makes it to my cocklles
Vibe check - how excited are Raider fans about Pete Carroll?
Was talking to some friends and they are VERY high on Carroll.
What do you folks think?
Was talking to some friends and they are VERY high on Carroll.
What do you folks think?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I’m such a beaten man when it comes to this damn team I just don’t know. Carrol and Kelly at least bring respectability. The lack of a qb is the biggest problem. I said up thread before Carrol was announced that the greatest coaches in NFL history could come the to raiders and it’s not going to matter until they get a qb.
joey
Footballguy
Similar sentiment to @DA RAIDERS
At least there’s a winning pedigree in charge. We have to wait and see about both the new GM and Brady’s involvement. (Being a great QB didn’t guarantee Elway success in the front office). But, yea, a QB, a QB and then a QB are the top 3 priorities. Then go get another QB just to be certain
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I laid out my thoughts of why I think it is a positive back when announced but the biggest plus to me is stability. We have not had any stability in this organization since Gruden's first stint at HC (late trigger warning for @DA RAIDERS ) He has the respect and track record to give him a long leash even if things go haywire at first. For 20+ years we have brought in coaches and/or GM's and then things don't go right right away and we have ejected them and started over. And over. And over. And over.
The biggest glaring issue is Carroll's age but right now anyone and everyone that has any contact with him talks about his 'endless energy' and he has had some time off to refresh. That being said, time is undefeated so his tenure will be counted. My hope is that we put things together to have an organization that can get back to consistently winning and he can hand off to a successor when the time is right.
We have one of the best defensive players in the league (arguably the best) and a kid that has potential to be the TE GOAT but falling short of that he has definite HOF potential. Some other pieces are there and we get a lot of key players back hopefully healthy (a healthy Wilkens and Koonce along with Crosby are big boosts to that defense)
But we need to get stability and a QB to have any hope of winning more games than we lose. It seems we will have the stability... now we need a QB.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Philbin still showing on the Raiders coaching staff as interim OL though we know Brennan Carroll will be OL.
Marvin Lewis no longer is on the official website for coaching staff.
Marvin Lewis no longer is on the official website for coaching staff.
Sorry. There's a lot I don't get to read. I was mildly surprised at how some of my guys were seeing the Carroll hire and wanted to ask here.
Thanks. I can see that.
Similar sentiment to @DA RAIDERS
At least there’s a winning pedigree in charge. We have to wait and see about both the new GM and Brady’s involvement. (Being a great QB didn’t guarantee Elway success in the front office). But, yea, a QB, a QB and then a QB are the top 3 priorities. Then go get another QB just to be certain
Thanks. I think that makes sense and I'm interested in Brady's impact on this.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Don’t let us bitter raider fans get to you joe.Similar sentiment to @DA RAIDERS
At least there’s a winning pedigree in charge. We have to wait and see about both the new GM and Brady’s involvement. (Being a great QB didn’t guarantee Elway success in the front office). But, yea, a QB, a QB and then a QB are the top 3 priorities. Then go get another QB just to be certain
Thanks. I think that makes sense and I'm interested in Brady's impact on this.
No worries. It’s fine for me as I don’t care. I just hate to see that kind of “tell me you didn’t read” and all the laughing after it for new posters as that quickly tells them they’re not welcome. Does make for a good laugh at someone’s expense though.Don’t let us bitter raider fans get to you joe.Similar sentiment to @DA RAIDERS
At least there’s a winning pedigree in charge. We have to wait and see about both the new GM and Brady’s involvement. (Being a great QB didn’t guarantee Elway success in the front office). But, yea, a QB, a QB and then a QB are the top 3 priorities. Then go get another QB just to be certain
Thanks. I think that makes sense and I'm interested in Brady's impact on this.
Not sure much can be done as it is mostly what it is. Just discouraging.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
It's just a meme, I wouldn't do it with most posters but I just couldn't resist busting on the boss a bit.
ChapGPT would say "Most see Carroll as a steady hire who brings long-missing credibility, enthusiasm, and confidence to the team. However, there seems to be a consistent concern that his age may mean a shorter stint as coach necessitating an early hand-off to a predecessor."
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK, IMO well... I think I have a forgiving heart for Mark Davis but I think your comment is not entirely accurate.
Since shortly after Mark Davis took over I think he has been looking for someone to hand over the reins of football operations to.
Ever since he gave Gruden that 10 year, $100 mil deal it's hard to argue that he doesn't recognize that he needs real football people managing the on field side of the operation (it's hard to argue he isn't doing a good job improving their operations outside the lines).
I think Del Rio only got fired because Mark Davis thought he could land Gruden and, it makes sense that he believed Gruden would be the right guy for the job and, probably also to make up for Al's hubris in jettisoning him a decade earlier.
Gruden was clearly the long term guy until Dan Snyder, and the league, assassinated him. You can't put that on Davis. I don't know if Gruden would have panned out over the remaining six years of his contract but it seemed clear that Mark Davis was on board for finding out.
I think the quick turnaround on McDaniels was proactive, and I give him credit for it because it obviously wasn't working out. It sucks for me because I was optimistic about the McDaniels hire but I think Davis listened to the locker room on that one.
The AP hire was reactive to not hiring Bisacia, we've discussed that a bunch in here. Firing AP seemed like the right decision considering he never should have been hired in the first place. Even if AP had the locker room at one point.
IMO Davis wants stability on the football side of the operations. Let's hope Carroll is a success and it leads to his successor, Kelly or Graham presumably, having a long successful run.
Man...I hate chasing the Hopium Dragon.
joey
Footballguy
Agree with this entire post.
Tau837
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
Always proofread and fact check outputs from any AI tool. They always sound confident but should be treated like a high school intern eager to perform a task for you but without expert knowledge and experience to critically judge their results.
(Do I sound like I deal with this kind of stuff every day?
)
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Shouldn't that read successor?
It was my interpretation of AIspeak where ChatGPT predicts Mork to roll back to Bisaccia
Hankmoody
Footballguy
But he was assassinating the talent level. Those drafts were epicly bad and there was no one to reign him and Mayock in. Gruden was doomed eventually, the emails just hastened it and Mayock was so bad even the TV guys wanted no part of him afterward.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Gruden was awful. : obligatory:
Hankmoody
Footballguy
My pipe dream is that Kelly is thinking "been there, done that, no thanks I'll just sit here and make 6 mil a year to not have all the HC pressure and just play mad scientist with my playbook" for the next decade. He's a perfect fit at OC I think and at 61 years old he may be done with that race. His HC tenure was mostly successful right up until he got personnel power in Philly and then it went to hell. Keep him out of the front office and I'm good.
I have no conclusion on Graham as a HC but if he can keep Kelly the entire time and maintain that continuity in the system that is the most important factor to me. Would be nice having both O and D systems with long term continuity though.
Chaka
Footballguy
My post wasn't really about Gruden's success or failure it was about my belief that Mark Davis does not want to be an owner who meddles in the roster and coaching decisions of his team. IMO he wants to turn over the football operations to true football people. The varying degrees of success/failure happen, but I'll take his kind of trying over the Jerry Jones's of the world.
Chaka
Footballguy
Okay, my post was not intended to rehash Gruden's tenure but, why not?
He left a playoff team behind after he was forced out.
And as bad as those drafts were; I think time and distance suggests they weren't as epically bad as we talk about.
Current* regular starters/contributors for the Raiders
2018 - Kolton Miller (1st)
2019 - Maxx Crosby (4th)
2020 - Henry Ruggs (1st)*
2021 - Tre'Von Moehrig (2nd)
2021 - Malcolm Koonce (3rd)
2021 - Divine Diablo (3rd)
2021 - Nate Hobbs (5th)
*say what you will about where he was drafted but Ruggs was turning into exactly the kind of field stretching offensive talent they were hoping for when he was drafted. There is little doubt he would still be a regular starter but for the accident.
These guys are all regular starters (Key, Jacobs, Moreau & Simpson) or significant role players for other teams (Hurst, Robertson) ATM.
2018 - Arden Key (3rd)
2018 - Maurice Hurst (5th)
2019 - Josh Jacobs (1st)
2019 - Foster Moreau (4th)
2020 - John Simpson (4th)
2020 - Amik Robertson (4th)
The early round misses are what we remember but that's still 13 regular contributors in four drafts (not sure about special teams guys but there are probably a few kicking around the NFL still). I don't know what the 31 other teams did over that time but I bet there are plenty of teams who performed worse over that time.
I was against the Gruden hire at the time but I really wish that we had been able to see his full tenure play out.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Agree 100%
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I was not saying it was Davis fault per se. He certainly tried to establish stability with bringing Gruden back and giving him an unpresented contract clearly aimed at creating stability but the fact is since Gruden's first stint we have not had a coach last more than two years other than Gruden's second stint. That goes back to Al as well. I can't see Carroll getting ejected early even if it starts off bumpy.... much like Gruden's second stint gave him a long leash until the craziness was unleashed. I don't think there is any other coaching candidate that would have as long as a leash as Carroll has so I like that.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
See.... I know how to get you to respond. Muuuuhaaa haaaa haaaaa!
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The 'dismantling OL' part is just dumb. Each of these guys when they were shown the door either were out of football or fizzled on their next stop. I do not see one bad move at timing of moving on from Donald Penn, Kelechi Osemele, Rodney Hudson, Gabe Jackson, and Marshall Newhouse
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The Las Vegas Raiders officially announced their new coaching staff under HC Pete Carroll.
Here’s the new staff:
Here’s the new staff:
- Pete Carroll – Head Coach
- Matt Capurro – SVP – Coaching Operations
- Chip Kelly – Offensive Coordinator
- Chris Beatty – Wide Receivers
- Bob Bicknell – Senior Offensive Assistant
- Sean Binckes – Offensive Assistant
- Brennan Carroll – Run Game Coordinator/Offensive Line
- Nate Carroll – Assistant Quarterbacks
- Andy Dickerson – Assistant Offensive Line
- Kyle Fuller – Offense Quality Control
- Deland McCullough – Running Backs
- Greg Olson – Quarterbacks
- Joe Philbin – Senior Offensive Assistant
- Luke Steckel – Tight End
- Patrick Graham – Defensive Coordinator
- John Glenn – Linebackers
- Kenny Jackson – Assistant Defensive Line
- Rob Leonard – Run Game Coordinator/Defensive Line
- Ty McKenzie – Defensive Assistant/Linebackers
- Beyah Rasool – Defense Quality Control
- Marcus Robertson – Defensive Backs
- Rip Rowan – Defensive Assistant
- Joe Woods – Pass Game Coordinator/Defensive Backs
- Tom McMahon – Special Teams Coordinator
- Kade Rannings – Quality Control – Special Teams
- Derius Swinton – Special Teams Assistant
Chadstroma
Footballguy
With Philbin being retained and that Lewis was late to be removed along with some rumors that Lewis was 'safe' and returning... I am taking a guess that they did offer him some sort of position... maybe senior defensive assistant?.... but then the two parties did not agree and parted ways. Total guess and reading between the lines.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I disagree. Osemele Hudson and Jackson all had good years after. And it’s not just shipping them out, it’s who he replaced them with. All hot garbage except for miller and sorta James.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
YES!,!,!
LawFitz
Footballguy
Nah. None of them even came close to justifying their bloated salaries after they left.
And this was the group that quit on Carr over some national anthem kneeling BS right? That could be the reason Gruden came in and blew them up.
I do agree that before that rumored moment, they were an awesome OL and that the Raiders haven't had anything close since.
this is actually normal for players over the age of about 29 or 30 who sign any longer term deal. Usually at the time of signing, they are about as good as they will be moving forward. its a downhill slide from that point on (in most cases.... there are always exceptions)
and in the event of a team that is struggling to make the playoffs or on the cusp chances are signing these individuals to a long term deal is probably a mistake. you are likely better off selling them off and try to bring in some youth.
The only player they likely should have kept would have been Mack. guys like him are not replacable. that was an extremely stupid move. but I take no serious issue with the other moves mentioned. but if making those moves, you NEED to nail the pick when replacing that player.
this was where the raiders failed because they just are not that good of a drafting team. Nor are they overly good in terms of player development
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
They may not have played up to their salaries but they were still decent to good linemen. I feel the same about letting ellumenour (sp?) walk. After he stopped false starting he was actually decent.
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