Indefinite Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ The Mork and Brady show ☠ (46 Viewers)

[Chaka]

Browns are coming off a loss that is just as humiliating. I have more confidence in the Raiders winning against the Browns this week than I did with Carolina.

that makes 1 of us.

2

This sounds awfully familiar. Where do I know it from??? Oh yeah...

"Congratulations in advance on your victory."

I don't think that stuff works in the NFL...or magic football.

 

[joey]

Browns are coming off a loss that is just as humiliating. I have more confidence in the Raiders winning against the Browns this week than I did with Carolina.

that makes 1 of us.

2

This sounds awfully familiar. Where do I know it from??? Oh yeah...

"Congratulations in advance on your victory."

I don't think that stuff works in the NFL...or magic football.

Didn’t work this week for sure in fairy tale football. Ugh

 

[LawFitz]

Browns are coming off a loss that is just as humiliating. I have more confidence in the Raiders winning against the Browns this week than I did with Carolina.

that makes 1 of us.

2

This sounds awfully familiar. Where do I know it from??? Oh yeah...

"Congratulations in advance on your victory."

I don't think that stuff works in the NFL...or magic football.

Goes both ways. Talked some (fun) **** in Uno and promptly got Juwan'd in both my leagues!

 

[Ed Wood]

Based on Pierce's Monday press conference, he has no idea how to fix what ails 'em. Just a bunch of platitudes coming from him.
Benching Minshew, I don't think, is the answer. O'Connell wouldn't have won that game. O'Connell won't make the team run block better. O'Connell won't help Getsy suddenly grow a brain.
What O'Connell would do is get sacked more than Minshew. Granted, his release is faster and he seems to make quicker decisions but his lack of mobility alone would cause him to go down more.
And I'm an O'Connell backer. He models his game after Brady and I can see a little of Brady in his game. Granted it's the 6th grade version of Brady... (that's a joke). My hope was he'd get a FULL season to show his wares, not another handful or half season of games like he did last year. Then they're no closer to figuring out exactly who he is.
Anyway, I just don't think Minshew has done enough to warrant a benching. Now, one more bad interception and I might change my mind. ;-)
What I would do is put both rookie linemen in starting roles and see what happens. It can't be any worse...can it?
And as bad as the offense is, the defense with an aching Crosby might be a bigger concern. 36 points to the Panthers? The same Panthers who scored 13 points in 8 quarters before that? The same Panthers that didn't score 36 points in a game in 2023?
I have more faith in Graham to right the ship, though, than Getsy. His track record is pretty good. But with an aching Crosby this appears to be an average defense at best. Graham has his work cut out for him the next 5 weeks for sure (the estimated time Crosby will likely not play like Crosby). It's a good thing the Raiders have last year's No. 1 pick to pick up the slack while Crosby mends.

 

[Ed Wood]

“I think there were definitely some individuals who made business decisions, and we’ll make business decisions going forward as well,”

~Antonio Pierce

That is what the leader of this team said after today's loss. I can think of another business decision that needs to be made and it doesn't involve buying car dealerships.

That's very funny!!

 

[Ed Wood]

Just imagine this team with Carr.

Just imagine this team with Fields (instead of Getsy).

You said a mouthful. They couldn't have given a 5th for Fields??? They coulda had Stroud, they got Wilson. They coulda had Fields, they got Getsy.

 

[Ed Wood]

Antonio Pierce Abruptly Realizes He Is Coaching The Raiders | Defector

To take the old saying and mangle it in the back shop a bit, you cannot hope to beat the Las Vegas Raiders because they are so easy to contain. The latest person to learn this lesson is their 12-game-old head coach. Antonio Pierce was advertised as the franchise’s latest savior, the coach that...

defector.com

Always liked Ratto.

 

[Chaka]

Just imagine this team with Carr.

Just imagine this team with Fields (instead of Getsy).

You said a mouthful. They couldn't have given a 5th for Fields??? They coulda had Stroud, they got Wilson. They coulda had Fields, they got Getsy.

Please. The Raiders would have continued to ruin Fields. He may not turn out to be anything special regardless but Tomlin & The Steelers have a much better chance of helping him achieve his potential than the Raiders ever would.

 

[LawFitz]

Just imagine this team with Carr.

Just imagine this team with Fields (instead of Getsy).

You said a mouthful. They couldn't have given a 5th for Fields??? They coulda had Stroud, they got Wilson. They coulda had Fields, they got Getsy.

Please. The Raiders would have continued to ruin Fields. He may not turn out to be anything special regardless but Tomlin & The Steelers have a much better chance of helping him achieve his potential than the Raiders ever would.

Perhaps you are correct. Impossible to say for sure, but I'd give your assessment a more likely than not. That said, they picked Getsy at the expense of any thought of Fields. That's a pretty damning indictment of AP/TT in my book.

 

[Chaka]

Just imagine this team with Carr.

Just imagine this team with Fields (instead of Getsy).

You said a mouthful. They couldn't have given a 5th for Fields??? They coulda had Stroud, they got Wilson. They coulda had Fields, they got Getsy.

Please. The Raiders would have continued to ruin Fields. He may not turn out to be anything special regardless but Tomlin & The Steelers have a much better chance of helping him achieve his potential than the Raiders ever would.

Perhaps you are correct. Impossible to say for sure, but I'd give your assessment a more likely than not. That said, they picked Getsy at the expense of any thought of Fields. That's a pretty damning indictment of AP/TT in my book.

I try to avoid forums during the offseason so I wasn't here to comment on it at the time but I pretty much gave up on the season when they hired Getsy.

Honestly I was already down on the season, and the near future, when they hired Telesco.

I would love to see them clean house, yet again, and go get Ben Johnson and whichever player personnel guy in Detroit is his bestie. Then have Mark Davis take up residence in the Las Vegas Aces corporate offices and never come out. I guess it's okay if he attends Raider games so long as they do it Hannibal Lecter restraints style.

 

[joey]

Antonio Pierce Abruptly Realizes He Is Coaching The Raiders | Defector

To take the old saying and mangle it in the back shop a bit, you cannot hope to beat the Las Vegas Raiders because they are so easy to contain. The latest person to learn this lesson is their 12-game-old head coach. Antonio Pierce was advertised as the franchise’s latest savior, the coach that...

defector.com

Always liked Ratto.

This quote says it all

“Taken in that broader contest, “Panthers 36, Raiders 22 in the home opener” is exactly who the Raiders are, and what they have been for the last four presidents.”

 

[Chaka]

Antonio Pierce Abruptly Realizes He Is Coaching The Raiders | Defector

To take the old saying and mangle it in the back shop a bit, you cannot hope to beat the Las Vegas Raiders because they are so easy to contain. The latest person to learn this lesson is their 12-game-old head coach. Antonio Pierce was advertised as the franchise’s latest savior, the coach that...

defector.com

Always liked Ratto.

This quote says it all

“Taken in that broader contest, “Panthers 36, Raiders 22 in the home opener” is exactly who the Raiders are, and what they have been for the last four presidents.”

Ugh, I haven't felt this sick since I watched that Ronald Regan movie.

 

[ICON211]

Raiders Offensive Coordinators last 20 years:
2005 - Jimmy Raye
2006 - John Shoop/Tom Walsh
2007-8 - Greg Knapp
2009 - Did not have a named OC. Who needs one with the the offensive genius of Tom Cable in charge.
2010 - Hue Jackson
2011 - Al Saunders
2012 - Greg Knapp - again
2013-4 - Greg Olson
2015-6 Bill Musgrave
2017 - Todd Downing
2018-21 - Greg Olson - again
2022 - Mick Lombardi (McDaniels running the show though)
2023 - Mick Lombardi/Bo Hardegree
2024 - Luke Getsy

That is some list. I made myself sick typing it.

 

[Ed Wood]

Just imagine this team with Carr.

Just imagine this team with Fields (instead of Getsy).

You said a mouthful. They couldn't have given a 5th for Fields??? They coulda had Stroud, they got Wilson. They coulda had Fields, they got Getsy.

Please. The Raiders would have continued to ruin Fields. He may not turn out to be anything special regardless but Tomlin & The Steelers have a much better chance of helping him achieve his potential than the Raiders ever would.

Yah, I'm not so sure. Getting Fields would have meant not getting Getsy (even the Raiders front office isn't that stupid). Maybe with the right OC on the Raiders sideline, they unlock some of Fields' untapped potential as well. I think the only worse head coach/OC combo in the league than Pierce-Getsy is Eberflus-Getsy.
But yep no doubt Fields landed in a great situation--a stable franchise with a great head coach. Happy for him. He seems like a good guy. Took the crap he was dealing with in Chicago and didn't once lash out publicly.

 

[Ed Wood]

I can do ya one better...or is it worse?
Raiders head coaches last 20 years or so (since Gruden I):
Coach Years Record
Bill Callahan 2002-03 15-17
Norv Turner 2004-05 9-23
Art Shell 2006 2-14
Lane Kiffin 2007-08 5-15
Tom Cable 2008-10 17-27
Hue Jackson 2011 8-8
Dennis Allen 2012-2014 8-28
Tony Sparano 2014 3-9
Jack Del Rio 2015-17 25-23
Jon Gruden 2018-2021 22-21
Rich Bisaccia 2021 7-5
Josh McDaniels 2022-23 9-16
Antonio Pierce 2023-present 6-7

Mark Davis admitted he knew nothing about football after taking over following his passing. He certainly knows nothing about hiring head coaches and GMs anyway.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I keep hoping to read that we've cut Jack Jones but so far the team continues to disappoint me by keeping him on the roster. His attempts at tackling against the Panthers was the worst thing I've seen in a long time

 

[treat88]

It feels like the team could be making some better decisions to improve like trading Jack Jones

 

[ZADO]

this thread is depressing

 

[Chaka]

this thread team is depressing

 

[Chaka]

I do think this game has strong rebound potential. My only concern is the Amari factor.

Ultimately I think they end up in the 6-11 to 8-9 range just like we all anticipated at the beginning of the season.

 

[LawFitz]

Honestly, I care very little about the final 2024 record. Doesn't even make me flinch about draft position, or any of that, *as long as I see growth and development*. And right now this team looks way worse than it did second half of last season. The very worst part of that is that it's not the quarterback that's the problem, but the OL and an offensive system that clearly isn't working - and hasn't worked from day one of mini-camp. We kept telling ourselves, and it seems the team did too, that was our dominating beast defense. It wasn't.

Abundantly clear to me now that Getsy ran budding star Justin Fields out of Chicago and if AP doesn't act before it's too late (it may be already), Getsy will run him out of Vegas. ****ing slow motion train wreck going on with Puke Getsy conducting. I do place plenty of the blame on TT and AP, tho, for not taking the controls.

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

The Raiders haven't been a rival to anyone except when it came to Derek Carr vs. the Raider fanbase. When Derek Carr still is a polarizing figure in your fanbase...

I mean I got a lot of hell on this very forum over Jimmy Garropollo. Who couldn't even cause controversy with AOC.

 

[Chaka]

Honestly, I care very little about the final 2024 record. Doesn't even make me flinch about draft position, or any of that, *as long as I see growth and development*. And right now this team looks way worse than it did second half of last season. The very worst part of that is that it's not the quarterback that's the problem, but the OL and an offensive system that clearly isn't working - and hasn't worked from day one of mini-camp. We kept telling ourselves, and it seems the team did too, that was our dominating beast defense. It wasn't.

Abundantly clear to me now that Getsy ran budding star Justin Fields out of Chicago and if AP doesn't act before it's too late (it may be already), Getsy will run him out of Vegas. ****ing slow motion train wreck going on with Puke Getsy conducting. I do place plenty of the blame on TT and AP, tho, for not taking the controls.

I hated the Getsy signing from the start but it's not Getsy's fault they have the 27 ranked scoring and 30th ranked yardage defense. After signing the "best" defensive free agent available.

They have the 17th ranked scoring and 21st ranked yardage offense. Those are improvements over last year. Virtually identical time of possession from 2023.

Again, I want Getsy out but the biggest disappointment so far is definitely on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[Chaka]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

Numbers are numbers, and in the W/L column, or post season numbers, it just shows their is no "mystique" when the math solves it. There is nothing mystical about the Raiders, and there never was. If Raider fans finally realized this, then they could move on an demand better. Instead, they live in a tired old narrative that has them going into this season having to bench a QB in the 4th game into it. I am not one to toss a steamer on the chest of the Raider Organization. It's just that all you Raider fans don't have the balls to do it, because you have been lead to believe that just because it's colored in Silver and Black, the most neutral and bland colors that no one fears anymore, and why should they. You have the neop baby of Mark Davis wearing his onesee track suit like he never got out of when he was dressed as a toddler now running a franchise that is only saved by being one in the NFL.

You never demand better. Wny? Because you still show up thinking you are, when you're not.

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

 

[LawFitz]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

Numbers are numbers, and in the W/L column, or post season numbers, it just shows their is no "mystique" when the math solves it. There is nothing mystical about the Raiders, and there never was. If Raider fans finally realized this, then they could move on an demand better. Instead, they live in a tired old narrative that has them going into this season having to bench a QB in the 4th game into it. I am not one to toss a steamer on the chest of the Raider Organization. It's just that all you Raider fans don't have the balls to do it, because you have been lead to believe that just because it's colored in Silver and Black, the most neutral and bland colors that no one fears anymore, and why should they. You have the neop baby of Mark Davis wearing his onesee track suit like he never got out of when he was dressed as a toddler now running a franchise that is only saved by being one in the NFL.

You never demand better. Wny? Because you still show up thinking you are, when you're not.

Stopped reading your driveling post halfway through, and regret giving it even that much time. I will never understand the psychology behind entering another team's thread just to passive-aggressively call out their fans like this. Especially to then stick around and dig in heels about why you are right, and further suggest that said team's fans are dumb to not see how right you are.

 

[Chaka]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

Did we? Okay.

I know you from the boards of course but that interaction didn't resonate enough to make it into my notebook. Sorry.

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

Numbers are numbers, and in the W/L column, or post season numbers, it just shows their is no "mystique" when the math solves it. There is nothing mystical about the Raiders, and there never was. If Raider fans finally realized this, then they could move on an demand better. Instead, they live in a tired old narrative that has them going into this season having to bench a QB in the 4th game into it. I am not one to toss a steamer on the chest of the Raider Organization. It's just that all you Raider fans don't have the balls to do it, because you have been lead to believe that just because it's colored in Silver and Black, the most neutral and bland colors that no one fears anymore, and why should they. You have the neop baby of Mark Davis wearing his onesee track suit like he never got out of when he was dressed as a toddler now running a franchise that is only saved by being one in the NFL.

You never demand better. Wny? Because you still show up thinking you are, when you're not.

Stopped reading your driveling post halfway through, and regret giving it even that much time. I will never understand the psychology behind entering another team's thread just to passive-aggressively call out their fans like this. Especially to then stick around and dig in heels about why you are right, and further suggest that said team's fans are dumb to not see how right you are.

Come on, Maxx Crosby basically lead the charge for Antonio Pierce, because of the whole Rich Bissccia thing to whom no other franchise would had considered Bisaccia as their head coach because there is no head coach that can coach the stink out of 30 seasons of futility, and the sole head coach that had, Al Davis got rid of, only to get face blasted in the worst and most embarrasing loss in the Super Bowl era. How do Raider fans react? How does JT the Brick - a NYG fan who is a voice of the Raiders...

The Raiders this season are not going to the playoffs,, they don;t have a QB, the offense stinks, the only salvation they have is that Bo Nix while way more talented than any QB the Raiders have now will still be better than ony current Raider QB but has an *** defense behind him. They promoted an assistant coach who has inherited a dysfunctional franchise who just got smoked by an even more dysfunctional franchise. The only saving grace is you don't have to travel to the toilet of Oakland where the best hotel around there is a Super 8, and the In and Out there is closed because it's near the airport.

The Oakland Raiders are a franchise of the past, and it's why they will never, ever be a franchise with a future.

 

[joey]

It's just that all you Raider fans

Generalize much?

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

Did we? Okay.

I know you from the boards of course but that interaction didn't resonate enough to make it into my notebook. Sorry.

I first logged on here I think in 2006. I am just not chronically here as much anymore because Joe B amd FBG mods don't like me.

 

[LawFitz]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

Numbers are numbers, and in the W/L column, or post season numbers, it just shows their is no "mystique" when the math solves it. There is nothing mystical about the Raiders, and there never was. If Raider fans finally realized this, then they could move on an demand better. Instead, they live in a tired old narrative that has them going into this season having to bench a QB in the 4th game into it. I am not one to toss a steamer on the chest of the Raider Organization. It's just that all you Raider fans don't have the balls to do it, because you have been lead to believe that just because it's colored in Silver and Black, the most neutral and bland colors that no one fears anymore, and why should they. You have the neop baby of Mark Davis wearing his onesee track suit like he never got out of when he was dressed as a toddler now running a franchise that is only saved by being one in the NFL.

You never demand better. Wny? Because you still show up thinking you are, when you're not.

Stopped reading your driveling post halfway through, and regret giving it even that much time. I will never understand the psychology behind entering another team's thread just to passive-aggressively call out their fans like this. Especially to then stick around and dig in heels about why you are right, and further suggest that said team's fans are dumb to not see how right you are.

Come on, Maxx Crosby basically lead the charge for Antonio Pierce, because of the whole Rich Bissccia thing to whom no other franchise would had considered Bisaccia as their head coach because there is no head coach that can coach the stink out of 30 seasons of futility, and the sole head coach that had, Al Davis got rid of, only to get face blasted in the worst and most embarrasing loss in the Super Bowl era. How do Raider fans react? How does JT the Brick - a NYG fan who is a voice of the Raiders...

The Raiders this season are not going to the playoffs,, they don;t have a QB, the offense stinks, the only salvation they have is that Bo Nix while way more talented than any QB the Raiders have now will still be better than ony current Raider QB but has an *** defense behind him. They promoted an assistant coach who has inherited a dysfunctional franchise who just got smoked by an even more dysfunctional franchise. The only saving grace is you don't have to travel to the toilet of Oakland where the best hotel around there is a Super 8, and the In and Out there is closed because it's near the airport.

The Oakland Raiders are a franchise of the past, and it's why they will never, ever be a franchise with a future.

These posts are only worth your time because your time is not valuable. And probably, most likely, evidence that it will never, ever be valuable.

 

[LawFitz]

I am just not chronically here as much anymore because Joe B amd FBG mods don't like me.

Clearly their fault.

 

[drummer]

It's just that all you Raider fans

Generalize much?

I don't dress up like it was Halloween each Sunday at the Oakland Colisuum parking lot wating for my team to come back

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

Numbers are numbers, and in the W/L column, or post season numbers, it just shows their is no "mystique" when the math solves it. There is nothing mystical about the Raiders, and there never was. If Raider fans finally realized this, then they could move on an demand better. Instead, they live in a tired old narrative that has them going into this season having to bench a QB in the 4th game into it. I am not one to toss a steamer on the chest of the Raider Organization. It's just that all you Raider fans don't have the balls to do it, because you have been lead to believe that just because it's colored in Silver and Black, the most neutral and bland colors that no one fears anymore, and why should they. You have the neop baby of Mark Davis wearing his onesee track suit like he never got out of when he was dressed as a toddler now running a franchise that is only saved by being one in the NFL.

You never demand better. Wny? Because you still show up thinking you are, when you're not.

Stopped reading your driveling post halfway through, and regret giving it even that much time. I will never understand the psychology behind entering another team's thread just to passive-aggressively call out their fans like this. Especially to then stick around and dig in heels about why you are right, and further suggest that said team's fans are dumb to not see how right you are.

Come on, Maxx Crosby basically lead the charge for Antonio Pierce, because of the whole Rich Bissccia thing to whom no other franchise would had considered Bisaccia as their head coach because there is no head coach that can coach the stink out of 30 seasons of futility, and the sole head coach that had, Al Davis got rid of, only to get face blasted in the worst and most embarrasing loss in the Super Bowl era. How do Raider fans react? How does JT the Brick - a NYG fan who is a voice of the Raiders...

The Raiders this season are not going to the playoffs,, they don;t have a QB, the offense stinks, the only salvation they have is that Bo Nix while way more talented than any QB the Raiders have now will still be better than ony current Raider QB but has an *** defense behind him. They promoted an assistant coach who has inherited a dysfunctional franchise who just got smoked by an even more dysfunctional franchise. The only saving grace is you don't have to travel to the toilet of Oakland where the best hotel around there is a Super 8, and the In and Out there is closed because it's near the airport.

The Oakland Raiders are a franchise of the past, and it's why they will never, ever be a franchise with a future.

These posts are only worth your time because your time is not valuable. And probably, most likely, evidence that it will never, ever be valuable.

Well that's up to you to find how valubale they are, and certainly you created more value to them than I have.

 

[Chaos34]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

Did we? Okay.

I know you from the boards of course but that interaction didn't resonate enough to make it into my notebook. Sorry.

I first logged on here I think in 2006. I am just not chronically here as much anymore because Joe B amd FBG mods don't like me.

 

[drummer]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

Did we? Okay.

I know you from the boards of course but that interaction didn't resonate enough to make it into my notebook. Sorry.

I first logged on here I think in 2006. I am just not chronically here as much anymore because Joe B amd FBG mods don't like me.

At least the owner of the franchise I crap on the most at least wears a suit three sizes more that it fits (look at my avatar for example), than a onesee that still is a few sizes smaller than it fits him.

 

[LawFitz]

my team

Lol, the Niners are not yours. You are theirs. The sooner you realize that fact, the sooner you'll realize you are wasting yourself coming in here on your non-existent Niner high horse. No one cares that you are a Niner fan. Not here, not anywhere. It doesn't make you smart or better. If anything, these last couple pages clearly evidence how it has made you worse. Sorry, not sorry, to serve you that truth bomb.

 

[LawFitz]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

Did we? Okay.

I know you from the boards of course but that interaction didn't resonate enough to make it into my notebook. Sorry.

I first logged on here I think in 2006. I am just not chronically here as much anymore because Joe B amd FBG mods don't like me.

At least the owner of the franchise I crap on the most at least wears a suit three sizes more that it fits (look at my avatar for example), than a onesee that still is a few sizes smaller than it fits him.

Alright, now you are making me feel sorry and sad for you.

Get help bro. All I have left to say to you is you won't find it kicking down-trodden Raider fans.

 

[LawFitz]

Again, I want Getsy out but the biggest disappointment so far is definitely on the defensive side of the ball.

I think you are missing context with the stats you noted to preface this sentiment, namely...

- Injuries to key defenders, especially along the DLine - particularly to Koonce and Crosby;

- The mental/emotional debilitation associated with watching your offense fail for 11/12 quarters to open this season, after watching them suck all off/preseason. Hope is a powerful motivator and lack thereof is devastating.

- I haven't parsed your offensive stats, but I wonder how skewed they are by that one good quarter in Baltimore.

Lastly, it seems Uncle Minch is more problematic than I had perceived...

- YouTube

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Maybe it is time to see of O'Connell can do something better in this system.

 

[joey]

It's just that all you Raider fans

Generalize much?

I don't dress up like it was Halloween each Sunday at the Oakland Colisuum parking lot wating for my team to come back

Neither do I. Generalize much?

 

[Chaka]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

sounds familiar, why are the niners still called the san francisco 49er’s? santa clara is not san francisco, the team and their fans are just as delusional as every other fan base who’s team hasn’t won a super bowl in 30 years

This isn't about the 49ers. Most people here since I have been on this forum know that 49er fans hate me more that Raider fans. Why? Because they are 49er fans.

Do you think you're hated in here?

I don't recall seeing you in this thread, or previous years, nearly enough to have an opinion about your views on the Raiders.

What are you kidding me? We went through a few days of I saying the Raiders should ditch Derak Carr years ago.

Did we? Okay.

I know you from the boards of course but that interaction didn't resonate enough to make it into my notebook. Sorry.

I first logged on here I think in 2006. I am just not chronically here as much anymore because Joe B amd FBG mods don't like me.

I absolutely know who you are just nothing specifically from Raider threads.

 

[ICON211]

Again, I want Getsy out but the biggest disappointment so far is definitely on the defensive side of the ball.

I think you are missing context with the stats you noted to preface this sentiment, namely...

- Injuries to key defenders, especially along the DLine - particularly to Koonce and Crosby;

- The mental/emotional debilitation associated with watching your offense fail for 11/12 quarters to open this season, after watching them suck all off/preseason. Hope is a powerful motivator and lack thereof is devastating.

The injuries are a factor. I don't think hope/motivation should have been a problem coming in to the game on Sunday though after the big fourth quarter comeback the week before. The Panthers took the opening kickoff and marched right down the field for a TD. After the offense went on a 97 yard drive to tie the game 7-7 the Panthers went right down the field again on the next possession to go up 14-7. The D got steamrolled pretty much from start to finish and they bear more of the responsibility for the loss on Sunday. That being said, the offense was bad too and I can't disagree with them being criticized heavily as well.

 

[Chadstroma]

This team needs top 5 picks

This team needs functional management. Instead, we will probably see Bill Bellycheck hired next offseason in Mork's next hail to Mary.

The problem with the Raiders is that the fanbase has no idea of what they want, other than it has to be a "Raider" of yore. While being a franchise that has only five double digit win season in the past 30 years. There is no such thing as a "Raider Mystique" anymore. It's been two generations since they won the Super Bowl. But come on, they have again only five double digit win seasons since dial up internet.

Would Raider fans chose to shed the old Raider mystique and brand for a new brand and team identity if they promised to be a new, refreshing franchise to the 4 decades of futility of the three prior decades of "Raider Yore" from 1960 to 1990? Just what is success to a Raider fan? The Raiders have only five season in the black in the past 30 seasons. This is a failed franchise. The only reason why it still exists is because people still buy into an inferior product, and reward bad CEO's and leadershiwp.

Edit: Bottom line is Raider fans need to force a sale of the team. Only way to do that is not buy into it anymore. Because they ain't going anywhere now, literally and figuratively.

This sounds more like one of our rivals fans rambling about than anything else.

You really think the reason we have had such a long stretch of poor performance is that the fanbase hangs on to the old Raider mystique? Come on now... come back when you have something serious to say.

The Raiders haven't been a rival to anyone except when it came to Derek Carr vs. the Raider fanbase. When Derek Carr still is a polarizing figure in your fanbase...

I mean I got a lot of hell on this very forum over Jimmy Garropollo. Who couldn't even cause controversy with AOC.

Who are you again? And why do you think we care what meaningless yapping you have to offer?

 

[LawFitz]

Again, I want Getsy out but the biggest disappointment so far is definitely on the defensive side of the ball.

I think you are missing context with the stats you noted to preface this sentiment, namely...

- Injuries to key defenders, especially along the DLine - particularly to Koonce and Crosby;

- The mental/emotional debilitation associated with watching your offense fail for 11/12 quarters to open this season, after watching them suck all off/preseason. Hope is a powerful motivator and lack thereof is devastating.

The injuries are a factor. I don't think hope/motivation should have been a problem coming in to the game on Sunday though after the big fourth quarter comeback the week before. The Panthers took the opening kickoff and marched right down the field for a TD. After the offense went on a 97 yard drive to tie the game 7-7 the Panthers went right down the field again on the next possession to go up 14-7. The D got steamrolled pretty much from start to finish and they bear more of the responsibility for the loss on Sunday. That being said, the offense was bad too and I can't disagree with them being criticized heavily as well.

Defense played like crap against Carolina. No doubt. Maxx is heart and soul. Save for a few gutty snaps when he seemed to elevate out of sheer will, he looked pretty hoveled and spent more time on the sideline than I can remember him doing in any game since his rookie year. I have heard ankle and knee, so unsure which it is, but it very clearly bothered him. One guy shouldn't make that much of a difference, but this isn't just any guy.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Film room: Why is Zamir White is struggling to get going?

Diving into why Las Vegas’ rushing attack hasn’t worked so far

www.silverandblackpride.com

Change could be coming on Raiders’ offensive line Sunday

Injuries could play a role in lineup change

www.silverandblackpride.com

 

[kaso]

Nothing like some rando to pull together the team here again. Almost want to say thank you to drummer, but I'll stop short of that.

 

[Chadstroma]

Again, I want Getsy out but the biggest disappointment so far is definitely on the defensive side of the ball.

I think you are missing context with the stats you noted to preface this sentiment, namely...

- Injuries to key defenders, especially along the DLine - particularly to Koonce and Crosby;

- The mental/emotional debilitation associated with watching your offense fail for 11/12 quarters to open this season, after watching them suck all off/preseason. Hope is a powerful motivator and lack thereof is devastating.

The injuries are a factor. I don't think hope/motivation should have been a problem coming in to the game on Sunday though after the big fourth quarter comeback the week before. The Panthers took the opening kickoff and marched right down the field for a TD. After the offense went on a 97 yard drive to tie the game 7-7 the Panthers went right down the field again on the next possession to go up 14-7. The D got steamrolled pretty much from start to finish and they bear more of the responsibility for the loss on Sunday. That being said, the offense was bad too and I can't disagree with them being criticized heavily as well.

Defense played like crap against Carolina. No doubt. Maxx is heart and soul. Save for a few gutty snaps when he seemed to elevate out of sheer will, he looked pretty hoveled and spent more time on the sideline than I can remember him doing in any game since his rookie year. I have heard ankle and knee, so unsure which it is, but it very clearly bothered him. One guy shouldn't make that much of a difference, but this isn't just any guy.

No Koonce.... Crosby and Wilkins banged up (apparently Crosby pretty badly) with Wilson also banged up (though less of a concern but when you are already down one starting DE and the other is hobbled, it matters). Deablo out. Then lost Epps in game. That is a lot of key parts to the defense that were not there or not all there.

 

[Chaka]

Again, I want Getsy out but the biggest disappointment so far is definitely on the defensive side of the ball.

I think you are missing context with the stats you noted to preface this sentiment, namely...

- Injuries to key defenders, especially along the DLine - particularly to Koonce and Crosby;

- The mental/emotional debilitation associated with watching your offense fail for 11/12 quarters to open this season, after watching them suck all off/preseason. Hope is a powerful motivator and lack thereof is devastating.

The injuries are a factor. I don't think hope/motivation should have been a problem coming in to the game on Sunday though after the big fourth quarter comeback the week before. The Panthers took the opening kickoff and marched right down the field for a TD. After the offense went on a 97 yard drive to tie the game 7-7 the Panthers went right down the field again on the next possession to go up 14-7. The D got steamrolled pretty much from start to finish and they bear more of the responsibility for the loss on Sunday. That being said, the offense was bad too and I can't disagree with them being criticized heavily as well.

Defense played like crap against Carolina. No doubt. Maxx is heart and soul. Save for a few gutty snaps when he seemed to elevate out of sheer will, he looked pretty hoveled and spent more time on the sideline than I can remember him doing in any game since his rookie year. I have heard ankle and knee, so unsure which it is, but it very clearly bothered him. One guy shouldn't make that much of a difference, but this isn't just any guy.

No Koonce.... Crosby and Wilkins banged up (apparently Crosby pretty badly) with Wilson also banged up (though less of a concern but when you are already down one starting DE and the other is hobbled, it matters). Deablo out. Then lost Epps in game. That is a lot of key parts to the defense that were not there or not all there.

Not buying it.

176 rush yards to the Chargers (316 total), 151 to the Ravens (383 total).

The defense has been a bigger disappointment than the offense.

Okay, that's not entirely fair. The running game on offense has been just as big of a disappointment.