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Footballguy
Vrabel has been quick to move on from those who aren’t buying in to team over individual (see Joe Milton). Either Peppers was being demoted and he responded poorly to the news, or something worse outside of football forced the team’s hand. I hope we get some sort of closure either way soon.Jabril Peppers cut in a surprise move (especially the timing)...just guessing but it doesn't seem like he or Duggar are a great fit for their scheme and there is only room for one of them...not sure if this happens if they had dealt Duggar...hearing a lot of very good things about Woodson and it looks like he is getting thrown right to the wolves.
Patriots release veteran safety Jabrill Peppers in surprise move: Report
The Patriots are parting ways with one of their projected starters, as the team reportedly is releasing veteran safety Jabrill Peppers.www.nbcsportsboston.com
Exactly what I thought but Phil Perry is reporting that there isn't something else going on...still, on a team that is not very deep this move at this time is a head-scratcher.
Perry: Making sense of Patriots' stunning Jabrill Peppers release
Why are the Patriots parting ways with one of their most proven defenders? Phil Perry reacts to Jabrill Peppers' surprising release.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Boston
Footballguy
From BSJ:
Bedard here. My understanding is the Patriots see Peppers' role decreasing this season due to his lack of mobility, and just decided to move on now.
From Giardi:
On the surface, the news is surprising, and I can confirm, based on sources, that there were no off-field issues that arose. Peppers obviously dealt with legal problems a season ago and ended up on the Commissioner's List, missing a good part of the year.
There is definitely a scheme-fit question for Peppers. The Pats are going to use their safeties to play more man-to-man, and that is not Peppers' strength. He is more of a box safety, bringing the physicality that, coincidentally, mirrors the skillset of another veteran who was/is on the bubble in Dugger. There's no question Peppers has improved his ability to play in space, but Vrabel is telling you that for that price, he's not doing it as well as Hawkins or the rookie Woodson. He also appears to be saying that 2nd-year UDFA Dell Pettus is more capable as well. This move is a gamble, and Vrabel has to know it.
Bedard here. My understanding is the Patriots see Peppers' role decreasing this season due to his lack of mobility, and just decided to move on now.
From Giardi:
On the surface, the news is surprising, and I can confirm, based on sources, that there were no off-field issues that arose. Peppers obviously dealt with legal problems a season ago and ended up on the Commissioner's List, missing a good part of the year.
There is definitely a scheme-fit question for Peppers. The Pats are going to use their safeties to play more man-to-man, and that is not Peppers' strength. He is more of a box safety, bringing the physicality that, coincidentally, mirrors the skillset of another veteran who was/is on the bubble in Dugger. There's no question Peppers has improved his ability to play in space, but Vrabel is telling you that for that price, he's not doing it as well as Hawkins or the rookie Woodson. He also appears to be saying that 2nd-year UDFA Dell Pettus is more capable as well. This move is a gamble, and Vrabel has to know it.
I would have thought they could trade him for something.Vrabel has been quick to move on from those who aren’t buying in to team over individual (see Joe Milton). Either Peppers was being demoted and he responded poorly to the news, or something worse outside of football forced the team’s hand. I hope we get some sort of closure either way soon.Jabril Peppers cut in a surprise move (especially the timing)...just guessing but it doesn't seem like he or Duggar are a great fit for their scheme and there is only room for one of them...not sure if this happens if they had dealt Duggar...hearing a lot of very good things about Woodson and it looks like he is getting thrown right to the wolves.
Patriots release veteran safety Jabrill Peppers in surprise move: Report
The Patriots are parting ways with one of their projected starters, as the team reportedly is releasing veteran safety Jabrill Peppers.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
ironic that Peppers is a casuality at least in part due to the size of Duggar's contract (only need one slow box safety and can't afford the dead money hit to release Duggar).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
You're kidding, right?
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Well, I don't know what he said about Henderson and I don't want to search thru the thread. I hope we all come together and root for Henderson and the Pats to win this yr!Looking forward to seeing Anarchy take a huge L on Henderson this season.
Who is with me?!!
Peppers talks too much.Jabril Peppers cut in a surprise move (especially the timing)...just guessing but it doesn't seem like he or Duggar are a great fit for their scheme and there is only room for one of them...not sure if this happens if they had dealt Duggar...hearing a lot of very good things about Woodson and it looks like he is getting thrown right to the wolves.
Patriots release veteran safety Jabrill Peppers in surprise move: Report
The Patriots are parting ways with one of their projected starters, as the team reportedly is releasing veteran safety Jabrill Peppers.
The announcers say "and the defense takes the field" and a coach barks out whatever and ten guys are headed out, you can often see Peppers turn and discuss something.
Why then?
That has always looked like such an annoying habit for coaches to deal with. You shush and do whatever the coaches said, maybe give em a yes coach but to turn and discuss?
It looks so uncomfortable
rockaction
Footballguy
Peppers talks too much.Jabril Peppers cut in a surprise move (especially the timing)...just guessing but it doesn't seem like he or Duggar are a great fit for their scheme and there is only room for one of them...not sure if this happens if they had dealt Duggar...hearing a lot of very good things about Woodson and it looks like he is getting thrown right to the wolves.
Patriots release veteran safety Jabrill Peppers in surprise move: Report
The Patriots are parting ways with one of their projected starters, as the team reportedly is releasing veteran safety Jabrill Peppers.
The announcers say "and the defense takes the field" and a coach barks out whatever and ten guys are headed out, you can often see Peppers turn and discuss something.
Why then?
That has always looked like such an annoying habit for coaches to deal with. You shush and do whatever the coaches said, maybe give em a yes coach but to turn and discuss?
It looks so uncomfortable
I think you’re reading a bit too much into it.
Boston
Footballguy
Giardi gave out some pre-season/camp awards...could not agree with this one more:
MVP: Mike Vrabel - Make no mistake, the optimism you are feeling is because the Krafts righted a wrong and hired someone who has proven he can win games in the league. Vrabel has set a clear course for this organization, one it was lacking not only last season but also in Belichick's final campaign (or three). The 50-year-old is an interesting mix; a player's coach - remember he said he wants to help players maximize their earning potential? - but also someone who drives his players, especially his best ones, hard. That might be a shock to those with country club memberships, but thus far, the majority is buying what Vrabel is selling. And if someone doesn't, they won't be here for long.
MVP: Mike Vrabel - Make no mistake, the optimism you are feeling is because the Krafts righted a wrong and hired someone who has proven he can win games in the league. Vrabel has set a clear course for this organization, one it was lacking not only last season but also in Belichick's final campaign (or three). The 50-year-old is an interesting mix; a player's coach - remember he said he wants to help players maximize their earning potential? - but also someone who drives his players, especially his best ones, hard. That might be a shock to those with country club memberships, but thus far, the majority is buying what Vrabel is selling. And if someone doesn't, they won't be here for long.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Forged in Foxboro is such a well done production. I like it much better than Hard Knocks. Episode 3 is well done and I liked the focus on Spillane and Chism. My only criticism is I wish they spent more time on roster cutdown day. Show a couple of the players getting cut and the conversations that took place, but I get they’re going for a positive vibe overall.
Boston
Footballguy
Total guess on this but I heard Vrabel talking about cuts and you could tell it was almost sacred to him (being a former player I am sure it runs even deeper for him)...after hearing that I can't picture him wanting to have cameras rolling for these moments.
Boston
Footballguy
Patriots' list of 2025 captains includes new faces, notable omissions
There's plenty to take away from the Patriots' list of six captains for the 2025 season. Here are three observations.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Not to put a UNC post here just thought it would make you smile and shake your head
Boston
Footballguy
Mike Vrabel: Wasn't right time for Patriots to pursue Micah Parsons
Patriots executive vice president of player personnel Eliot Wolf said in August that the team is open to trading premium draft picks for players currently in the league and the Patriots have ample cap space, so it's no surprise that some would wonder whether they tried to trade for Micah Parsons…
www.nbcsports.com
Most annoying part was watching Wolf. Guy is just unlikeable to me.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Hoyer details how Drake Maye will 'benefit greatly' from McDaniels' presence
How exactly will Josh McDaniels make Drake Maye a better QB? Brian Hoyer shared great insight on a new episode of "The Quick Snap."
www.nbcsportsboston.com
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
So funny. Multiple sources saying BB has banned Pats scouts at UNC practices. Judging by how they played, he’s doing them a favor.
Boston Herald
Boston Herald
Boston
Footballguy
Inactives today:
Christian Gonzalez DB
Anfernee Jennings LB
Tommy DeVito QB
Efton Chism III WR
Charles Woods DB
Eric Gregory DL
Caedan Wallace OL
Christian Gonzalez DB
Anfernee Jennings LB
Tommy DeVito QB
Efton Chism III WR
Charles Woods DB
Eric Gregory DL
Caedan Wallace OL
Boston
Footballguy
Patriots' starting offensive line vs. Raiders
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Here's a look at the Patriots' new-look offensive line, which features two rookies on the left side in Will Campbell (left tackle) and Jared Wilson (left guard):- Left tackle: Will Campbell
- Left guard: Jared Wilson
- Center: Garrett Bradbury
- Right guard: Mike Onwenu
- Right tackle: Morgan Moses
the moops
Footballguy
50/50
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Stevenson/Henderson/Gibson - 55/35/10
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
10 thoughts on the game
1. Expected more fire out of them. Just an all around dull, boring outing
2. Thought Campbell played pretty well first game as a left tackle. He had a few moments in the second half when he got beat but overall I thought he was solid.
3. Moses on the right side got smoked over and over. Granted he was going against Crosby but that’s where most of the pressure came from
4. Diggs is a possession receiver nothing more at this point. Could still be recovering from the ACL but as of now there’s no explosiveness to this offense.
5. Josh McDaniels calls a boring, lame game. I question whether he’s the best fit for Drakes skillset
6. Stevenson is a waste of a play
7. Landry is the real deal
8. I think the defense will play a lot better going forward, particularly when Gonzo gets back
9. Maye really went into a shell after the INT. Wondering if he got screamed at on the sideline that he needed to protect the ball
10. Really thought Vrabel would have this team ready to run through a brick wall and they wilted
1. Expected more fire out of them. Just an all around dull, boring outing
2. Thought Campbell played pretty well first game as a left tackle. He had a few moments in the second half when he got beat but overall I thought he was solid.
3. Moses on the right side got smoked over and over. Granted he was going against Crosby but that’s where most of the pressure came from
4. Diggs is a possession receiver nothing more at this point. Could still be recovering from the ACL but as of now there’s no explosiveness to this offense.
5. Josh McDaniels calls a boring, lame game. I question whether he’s the best fit for Drakes skillset
6. Stevenson is a waste of a play
7. Landry is the real deal
8. I think the defense will play a lot better going forward, particularly when Gonzo gets back
9. Maye really went into a shell after the INT. Wondering if he got screamed at on the sideline that he needed to protect the ball
10. Really thought Vrabel would have this team ready to run through a brick wall and they wilted
Bossman
Footballguy
5. Hard to say if McDaniels called a boring game because Maye was scared to death to throw the ball more than 10 yards. There were several plays where Maye had ample time and still wouldn't let it fly... scrambled for a short gain... or settled for an underneath target for an incomplete or short gain. Unfortunately the stupid TV view has us wondering what's happening downfield. I'll just assume there were lots of missed opportunities.
9. Maybe it had something to do with the interception but it felt like Maye was playing it uber safe from the start. Felt like the plan going in was to win it 16-13.
11. Defense was good but they missed Gonzalez more than we expected. Too many WIDE open targets for LVR.
12. They still can't cover a TE. LBs are too slow and DBs are too small. No adjustments made ... or none that were effective anyway.
13. Still looks to me like Lack of talent ...or poor coaching. Probably both.
Boston
Footballguy
Agree with Bossman and Pebbles on their observations…I was really disappointed with Maye’s legs…for some reason he didn’t look as athletic as usual…it was like when he ran his main concern was when to slide and due to that he wasn’t using his full speed…he needs to stop sailing passes as well…Henry looked like he was going to be a weapon early than kind of disappeared…I am just not a big Pop Fan…I hope they give Chism a chance…Stevenson did not look good at all…one of the biggest plays of the game was when he caught a ball and could not power for a first down on a second down play (than they did not get it on third down)…he has to make that play…Raiders were not going to let Henderson beat them, they were all over him in space…I hope we don’t have to go thru a full year worrying about every FG and PAT…D did a nice job in the run game and got solid pressure but the amount of big plays is totally unacceptable…overall I was hoping for more but I think reality may be hitting on just how big of a ditch the roster got into after the last three inept year.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Sloppy game but the most important things were encouraging.
1. Maye looked fantastic
2. The o-line is much improved from last season, particularly the left side. First game of Maye’s career with a pressure rate below 20%. Campbell and Wilson with ZERO pressures.
1. Maye looked fantastic
2. The o-line is much improved from last season, particularly the left side. First game of Maye’s career with a pressure rate below 20%. Campbell and Wilson with ZERO pressures.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Jared Wilson
Dude is legit
Dude is legit
Bossman
Footballguy
Agreed. I think this igame was much more of what we thought we were going to see this year (vs what we saw last week).
Run heavy offense and a stout defense.
They still miss Gonzalez and maybe could have sent more than just the 4 linemen to rush on passing downs if he was on the field.
Also need to clean up those penalties. Too many lack of focus false starts and lining up in the neutral zone crap.
And that rookie kicker needs to figure things out sooner rather than later with two missed PATs and a kickoff short of the landing zone.
Much improved for sure, but I think we need to put an asterisk here because clearly the Miami D is TERRIBLE.
What's truly disturbing is our defense. Wow. Tua was just ripping us to shreads.
I can't recall if C. Davis left the game or not, but certainly Gonzo isn't going to have THAT much of an impact where the whole thing turns around. I certainly hope so, but I doubt it.
Also looks like R. Stevenson is far from dead.
Bossman
Footballguy
In redraft, I've already dropped Kyle Williams. This team will likely be run heavy and there just isn't enough targets to go around for Williams to be a factor. It'd take an injury or two for Williams to get his opportunity to break out.
Henderson is worth holding onto imo. He was more involved in game 1 when Stevenson wasn't so effective.
I think Henderson will have his moments and could break out at some point.
Henderson blew some blocking assignments which is a bit shocking considering how good his blocking tape is.
I wonder if Vrabel ratcheted down his snaps a bit because of that.
Henderson had same snap% in week 1
Boston
Footballguy
I have been on team-Henderson but as I mentioned elsewhere it looks like he is thinking too much out there...that zip he had in pre-season is not as apparent (right now he looks like Shane Vereen...which is good except I think/hope there is much more there)...I do believe it will happen but right now he is playing like a rookie...after looking pretty average in week 1 the good Rhamondre showed up yesterday...if he can play like that every week that will be a huge boost to this offense because when he is on he is a handful...between him, Henderson and Gibson the Pats have a real nice mix of backs.
I am hoping both Williams and Chism get an opportunity at some point this year...Boutte looks solid and Diggs looks like he will be reliable and hopefully he gets even better as the season goes on and the ACL is further behind him...Pop was MIA yesterday and I just don't have high hopes for him...Hollins is what he is...would love to see Boutte, Williams and Chism prove they can be quality WRs (I think Boutte is probably there although the upside is still a question)...they are three diverse WRs who are all young and very affordable...if they all develop (or at least two do) if you add in a legit #1 and a quality athletic TE they could finally have a skill group that can put some fear in defenses as well as grow with Maye.
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