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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (7 Viewers)

Looks like the info is starting to come out on "Pit-Bull" Easley...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2016/04/13/patriots-release-dominique-easley/VxfcDYPp0ieEh0mDVBRp5H/story.html

Two things...they should have never gone down this path...combining big-time injuries and a bad attitude is not how you want to spend first-round picks...secondly, it's amazing how the Pats can keep so much info under wraps from the media...I don't think anyone knew anything about this kid and it looks like there were issues from the get-go...

 
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Of course YOU don't see the hypocrisy. Let me try to help.

Did not literally every Patriots fan (including you?) claim the Wells report was bogus and didn't prove anything? Did not the same fans claim the NFL had an agenda and the report was flawed from the beginning? Aren't those same fans now using that supposed agenda laced and flawed report as proof that the forfeited draft picks should be handed back? So, the Wells report was bogus previously, yet now it's not? 

Not satire or sarcasm. I find it hypocritical. Seems to me that Patriots fans are cherry picking here. So only some parts of the report are valid? The sections or areas which support Patriots fans agenda to reclaim draft picks are valid but the rest is pure bunk? Is the Wells report bogus or not? If it was bogus previously it cannot be valid now.

I don't care whether you grade my post or like it. Patriot fans are hypocrites. 

 
I'll take you at your word that this isn't satire. So, I'm gonna need for you to break down your logic here.

Yes, every Pats fan, and plenty of people who were paying attention believe the Wells report was clearly biased towards the NFL.

How does asking (petitioning) for the penalty to be overturned because the entire investigation was biased and flawed make anyone a hypocrite?

These aren't conflicting views, so please if you could get off your ivory tower for a second and explain to us hypocrites, wtf are you talking about?

 
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Looks like yet another Eagles fan who is still bitter over their SB loss to the Pats. Most Pats fans feel that the whole deflategate fiasco was nothing more than a witch hunt from the outset after we saw the process and manner the NFL went about investigating it along with their actions thereafter. If you want to believe they are above board and everything is legit then knock yourself out.

 
Not bitter or butt hurt at all. Deflategate was a fiasco. Why do I need to unpack anything for you guys? The hypocrisy lies in the fact that the petition is based on a statement in the Wells report. The same report that was ridiculed by Patriots fans. So, why does one sentence in that report (that was so obviously a witch hunt) now carry enough weight to petition a court to overturn the stripping of picks when nothing else in the report holds any validity? You cannot see the hypocrisy in that? I find it hilarious. If you want to believe the Patriots have always been above board and everything they've done has been legit...knock yourself out. Patriots aren't getting those picks back.

I won't post any more about it and I'll leave your thread. Good luck this season.

 
Not bitter or butt hurt at all. Deflategate was a fiasco. Why do I need to unpack anything for you guys? The hypocrisy lies in the fact that the petition is based on a statement in the Wells report. The same report that was ridiculed by Patriots fans. So, why does one sentence in that report (that was so obviously a witch hunt) now carry enough weight to petition a court to overturn the stripping of picks when nothing else in the report holds any validity? You cannot see the hypocrisy in that? I find it hilarious. If you want to believe the Patriots have always been above board and everything they've done has been legit...knock yourself out. Patriots aren't getting those picks back.

I won't post any more about it and I'll leave your thread. Good luck this season.
I'm not following your argument at all and I consider myself a reasonably logical person.

 
I won't post any more about it and I'll leave your thread. 
Well thanks for that

I'm not following your argument at all and I consider myself a reasonably logical person.
His argument is that Pats fans are hypocrites because reasons, reasons that he can't elaborate on other than to state some sort of contrived fallacy that if spoken or read literally makes no sense. :shrug:

 
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Ruffrodys05 said:
Of course YOU don't see the hypocrisy. Let me try to help.

Did not literally every Patriots fan (including you?) claim the Wells report was bogus and didn't prove anything? Did not the same fans claim the NFL had an agenda and the report was flawed from the beginning? Aren't those same fans now using that supposed agenda laced and flawed report as proof that the forfeited draft picks should be handed back? So, the Wells report was bogus previously, yet now it's not? 

Not satire or sarcasm. I find it hypocritical. Seems to me that Patriots fans are cherry picking here. So only some parts of the report are valid? The sections or areas which support Patriots fans agenda to reclaim draft picks are valid but the rest is pure bunk? Is the Wells report bogus or not? If it was bogus previously it cannot be valid now.

I don't care whether you grade my post or like it. Patriot fans are hypocrites. 
The Wells report is effectively trying to find various parties guilty and uses what it thinks is evidence to make such a claim.

Apparently, the Wells report didn't believe there was enough evidence to blame the organization and coaches.

Apparently, the Wells report believed there was enough evidence to blame Tom Brady.  Pats fans (and many others) think the evidence is flimsy to make such a claim.

It's logically consistent to question, "Do you have enough evidence to punish each of the parties you're investigating?  If not, no punishment should be issued."  In the case of the organization and coaches, many don't think such a burden was met and the Wells report agrees.  In the case of Tom Brady, many don't think such a burden was met and the Wells report disagrees.  Disagreeing with the evidence against Brady as being actionable doesn't invalidate the entire report, making it a black-and-white "either you accept it in full or you don't".  The Wells report bundled multiple judgments together.

 
The other NFL owners wanted their pound of flesh (still) from Spygate and told Goodell to nail the Patriots to the cross if they had the opportunity. Goodell told Wells what the conclusion of the report had to be and told him to write something up that could fit the narrative to punish the team. It's pretty clear that the league had a predetermined outcome in mind, because the Wells report came up with very little evidence from the day of the AFCCG. At best, what they had was flimsy (texts from attendants from months and months earlier . . . and isolated texts at that, an attendant going to the bathroom with the ball bag, and air pressure readings that were not exceedingly out of phase at halftime).

Then they started going after Brady AFTER the fact . . . citing phone calls to the ball attendants before the Super Bowl and later for destroying his cell phone months and months after the game had been played. Had this case gone to a criminal court, the court would have refused to even hear it. 

The league then played the P.R. game by leaking false information to the press and making the Patriots look bad in the media. They hung NE out to dry on a global scale, as Deflategate was the lead news story and the lead story on websites and newspapers worldwide. They got even non football fans wanting a stiff penalty to be levied against NE . . . BASED ON FALSE INFORMATION. At no point did the league make any effort to correct what had gotten out, they never acknowledged that maybe they had it wrong on the Ideal Gas Law, they never admitted that Wells in his report said Brady had been very cooperative and that he did not need his phone. The league later admitted to not having any evidence in the first court case. Yet here we are, 15 months later STILL debating it.

I will be the first to admit that the Patriots are no angels and have likely done far worse than (allegedly) letting some air out of the football. But in this case, despite what one of the judge cites as overwhelmingly convincing evidence against New England, I don't think the league proved much of anything.

Had I been one of Brady's of the NFLPA's lawyers, I would have gotten on my soap box and demanding that the only relevant issues had to do with the night of the AFCCG and moved to have everything else before and after be thrown out. Let's say the Pats even did what they are accused of . . . the penalty does not fit the crime.

That being said, Patriots fans are kidding themselves if they thing they will get their coveted draft picks back. That boat sailed long, long ago. Even if the Pats had tried to do something about it a year ago, they would not ever see those picks again. Petitions and court filings just makes all of the NE fan base look bad.

 
Serious question for discussion:

All peel back and chop blocks have been made illegal. 

How will the new blocking rule changes affect the Pats offense, points of particular interest being how the TEs, FBs, HBs and RBs will be used now and if it will affect their upcoming draft? For instance, favoring pass protection when looking at backs or possible TEs. Also possible fantasy implications of the NE TEs and RBs.

The Pats brought in Bennett, who is imo the closest thing to Gronk in the league. They also brought in Clay Harbor and James Develin is now healthy after missing all of last season with a broken leg. The Pats have resigned Legarrette Blount, and have Dion Lewis leading the stable of Brandon Bolden and James White. I don't suspect White survives this preseason, especially if they draft a man. The Pats are also still holding on to AJ Derby, who played zero snaps his rookie season. Derby a QB convert is a bit of a wildcard, a smart capable receiver and great blocker, mediocre measurables - I don't have confidence he makes this years roster and I think there is a legitimate chance the Pats go after a TE or big body this year.

 
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It's gonna be a big deal for the "Shanahan" offenses: Atlanta and Denver. 

I don't know, at this point I'm like "wake me up for the AFCCG" as far as cheering for this team goes. We can bicker over whether or not they need X or Y right now, but by far the bigger question is can they stay healthy this year, which is not something we can answer. They've gone to SBs with far less personnel-wise than they have right now.

That being said, I hope they find a replacement for what Ridley brought to the offense: a two-down, 20+ carry back who can take pressure off of Brady. Blount is more of a match-up play. Lewis and White are 3rd-down backs. Brown? Maybe, SD's GM was pretty glowing about him. I hope for Foster, although somebody that could conceivably still be healthy come January would be even better. 

 
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There are quite a few RBs in this class I think fit NE well. 

Dixon, Booker, Prosise, Marshall, Smallwood and DJ Foster - theres also converted Navy QB Keenan Reynolds whos been tied to NE. (The bolded have three down back potential imo)

Honestly forgot about Brown, hes almost definitely taking Whites rosters spot.

 
why is it so quiet in here. ;-)




signed,
a jets fan.




i kid. this may go to the SCOTUS. im not surprised judges cant even agree on this. i wish this was over.

 
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Brady and the NFLPA sound like they have no interest in accepting this ruling. A lot of people thinking they should petition the entire second circuit, probably more likely that getting to the SCOTUS, but wtf do I know.

 
Not happy, the whole thing is BS.  But with or without Brady we win the division as usual.  Our backup QB is better than anything the Jests have.  Really not concerned.

 
Pats finally take a deep threat, former 5 star recruit Georgias Malcom Mitchell - plays both WR and CB, capable returner. Tall, long arms and fast. Had some knee injuries but appears to be clear. Played 92% of his WR snaps on the outside and on the line 76% of the time.

Not my first choice. Wouldn't be surprised to see them take another weapon or two in the 6th.

Matt Harmon's Reception Perception on Mitchell
 

Mitchell’s college usage represents a player that will fit well in a timing-based offense that makes their living off a quick passing game.

At his peak, Mitchell is one of the most polished, decisive and sharp route runners in this year’s draft class. His 100 percent SRVC on posts show off his crisp work and suddenness at the break points of routes. Demonstrating good timing, mixed in with excellent explosion, Mitchell can leave a defender completely in his dust when he deceives a corner. Another area that exemplifies this is his above average 80 percent SRVC on comebacks. Mitchell knows how to sell the vertical pattern before cleaning breaking back to the cornerback. 
 
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Amendola restructures his deal with an extension. 2 yr/7 mil extension, not sure the specifics but Patscap thinks he will be making less than Edelman the next two years, previously was making much more.

 
I'm really excited for football returning soon.

Curious to see how they use DJ Foster.

 
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I hope they use him period. 
Doubt he gets many reps at this point.  Guessing they'll trickle him in early on.  If he makes the best of those opportunities, could certainly see him carving himself a role.  White has been inconsistent the past two seasons, so I think there's an opportunity there for win a spot over time.

 
Jeff Howe saying he dislocated his elbow, will miss ~4 weeks. Not as bad as it looked.

 
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Couple of cuts just in...one surprise and one not...Nate Washington axed...like so many veteran WRs before him he seemed like a non-factor from the get-go...with Mitchell looking legit his days were numbered quickly...the surprise is Stork getting cut...a couple of years ago it looked like he was going to be the next Dan Koppen and be the starting C for a good period of time...if I had to guess his concussion history played a part in this...I don't think you can trust him to stay on the field...looks like David Andrews has the opportunity to take over the C position for the foreseeable future...

 
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Couple of cuts just in...one surprise and one not...Nate Washington axed...like so many veteran WRs before him he seemed like a non-factor from the get-go...with Mitchell looking legit his days were numbered quickly...the surprise is Stork getting cut...a couple of years ago it looked like he was going to be the next Dan Koppen and be the starting C for a good period of time...if I had to guess his concussion history played a part in this...I don't think you can trust him to stay on the field...looks like David Andrews has the opportunity to take over the C position for the foreseeable future...
Yea, I'd pretty much squarely put his being cut on his concussion history.  Also,  I think they like Andrews and probably think that the difference between the two players, in terms of talent, is minimal.  I've also heard that Stork can be a jerk and that Andrews is an extremely nice guy, so perhaps that played into it as well.

 
Interesting day all around for Stork. Said to have been cut this morning. Then it came out he was traded to Washington for a 7th round pick. Then it came out that he is rumored to be retiring. Not sure if any of those actually happened, so stay tuned, I guess . . .

 
I still can't believe they plan on starting Marcus Cannon at RT...something has to give there in a big way...
You have to assume that Scar found and corrected some issues.  Pretty sure BB is not going to allow a repeat of the embarassment that was the AFC Championship game last year.

 
You have to assume that Scar found and corrected some issues.  Pretty sure BB is not going to allow a repeat of the embarassment that was the AFC Championship game last year.
I hope you are right but until I see him productive in live action I see this as a huge hole...

 
So, on the field, what's the deal with Stork? Seems like more of a phone booth blocker, a mauler but not that athletic...is that right? Does he create push up the middle? 

 
Is laadrian waddle still there?? Lions outcast is ungood
Yup...if Volmer is out than it's Solder-Cannon-Waddle-Fleming...Scarnecchia has worked some magic before but there's a ton of room for error with that group...I can not picture them not bringing in another tackle...the question is whether it is someone who gets cut or comes via trade...unless they think Foster is legit I could see another RB added to the mix as well...

 
Pats acquire Barkievious Mingo from the Browns, compensation unsure at the moment.

Love the move if it was anything less than a 5th.

 
Ninkovich suspended 4 games for PED's. Says he took a supplement without checking the full ingredients. Was going to miss some time to start the season anyway, so this should allow the team to keep another play that they would have had to cut.

 

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