Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (4 Viewers)

[TLEF316]

I hope they can draft Mendoza. IMO he's the kind of NFL ready QB they need. They need to stop chasing the "arm talent" like they kept saying with Wilson, and they need to get a QB who has the IQ and the accuracy to be successful. I've seen comparisons to Goff but more athletic, which would be great for the Jets. I want a QB with high IQ and accuracy. I don't care if he doesn't have the strongest arm in the draft.

Its tough - I watched Fields play in those playoffs and the guy was throwing ropes down 30+ yds down field and now cant even throw a forward pass. I understand he had a good supporting cast t man I am perplexed

Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Jets have no wrs and college ain't the pros but its hard to believe it's the same person

 

[rockaction]

I hope they can draft Mendoza. IMO he's the kind of NFL ready QB they need. They need to stop chasing the "arm talent" like they kept saying with Wilson, and they need to get a QB who has the IQ and the accuracy to be successful. I've seen comparisons to Goff but more athletic, which would be great for the Jets. I want a QB with high IQ and accuracy. I don't care if he doesn't have the strongest arm in the draft.

Its tough - I watched Fields play in those playoffs and the guy was throwing ropes down 30+ yds down field and now cant even throw a forward pass. I understand he had a good supporting cast t man I am perplexed

Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Jets have no wrs and college ain't the pros but its hard to believe it's the same person

The coaches in Chicago weren't good. I've never been a Fields guy but he was willing to throw the ball deep even if it took him forever. Now he won't do that at all. Chicago and Pittsburgh were the wrong places for his head.

I also don't know the man (and have defended him on Twitter, even, as seeming like a good guy) but he doesn't and didn't strike me as the most mentally resilient fellow. Remember the weird eyelid thing in Chicago with the breathing on the sidelines?

 

[zamboni]

I hope they can draft Mendoza. IMO he's the kind of NFL ready QB they need. They need to stop chasing the "arm talent" like they kept saying with Wilson, and they need to get a QB who has the IQ and the accuracy to be successful. I've seen comparisons to Goff but more athletic, which would be great for the Jets. I want a QB with high IQ and accuracy. I don't care if he doesn't have the strongest arm in the draft.

Its tough - I watched Fields play in those playoffs and the guy was throwing ropes down 30+ yds down field and now cant even throw a forward pass. I understand he had a good supporting cast t man I am perplexed

I often come back to this. IIRC, when Fields entered the draft, one of the biggest strengths cited was his accuracy. I don’t even recall his running being highlighted that much. It’s a strange sport.

 

[Kiddnets]

I hope they can draft Mendoza. IMO he's the kind of NFL ready QB they need. They need to stop chasing the "arm talent" like they kept saying with Wilson, and they need to get a QB who has the IQ and the accuracy to be successful. I've seen comparisons to Goff but more athletic, which would be great for the Jets. I want a QB with high IQ and accuracy. I don't care if he doesn't have the strongest arm in the draft.

Its tough - I watched Fields play in those playoffs and the guy was throwing ropes down 30+ yds down field and now cant even throw a forward pass. I understand he had a good supporting cast t man I am perplexed

I often come back to this. IIRC, when Fields entered the draft, one of the biggest strengths cited was his accuracy. I don’t even recall his running being highlighted that much. It’s a strange sport.

Watching him guy out that win against Clemson I was thrilled with the #2 pick - I thought he was an easy #2 to Trevor. He easily looked to me as good as Caleb did. This isnt a case of drafting a guy on potential with an arm like Zach Wilson - he was playing top tier defenses and more than holding his own. I just cant believe its the same guy.

 

[Chemical X]

i went back to read some of his scouting reports and there wasn’t a lot of negatives…..however, this seems to make some sense now:

NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.

 

[zamboni]

i went back to read some of his scouting reports and there wasn’t a lot of negatives…..however, this seems to make some sense now:

NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.

I guess it also helped that he had one great WR after another at OSU, plus an OL that gave him oodles of time to sit back and chuck it.

 

[Chemical X]

i went back to read some of his scouting reports and there wasn’t a lot of negatives…..however, this seems to make some sense now:

NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.

I guess it also helped that he had one great WR after another at OSU, plus an OL that gave him oodles of time to sit back and chuck it.

 

[Chemical X]

i went back to read some of his scouting reports and there wasn’t a lot of negatives…..however, this seems to make some sense now:

NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.

I guess it also helped that he had one great WR after another at OSU, plus an OL that gave him oodles of time to sit back and chuck it.

olave, wilson, njiba something….

 

[zamboni]

i went back to read some of his scouting reports and there wasn’t a lot of negatives…..however, this seems to make some sense now:

NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.

I guess it also helped that he had one great WR after another at OSU, plus an OL that gave him oodles of time to sit back and chuck it.

olave, wilson, njiba something….

Plus starvin’ Marvin Jr.

 

[rockaction]

NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.

Did you guys know that "processing" bit got all racial on Twitter and it was at the point where if you suggested he read defenses slowly you were LAAAACIST.

Not kidding. I'll find the article in The Ringer that is evidence of it.

Why Justin Fields' 'big problem' might not be a big problem at all

When evaluating players at any level, it's obviously important to know what concepts they're running, how those concepts magnify their attributes, and how those concepts may also get in the way of their ultimate athletic potential. It's a lesson we have to re-learn every…

touchdownwire.usatoday.com

Here's Doug "E. Fresh" Farrar firing the salvo: "So, perhaps Justin Fields isn't a slow processor. Perhaps Justin Fields is a potential next-level mind who has passed multiple processing tests at an NFL level before he ever enters an NFL facility. As ESPN's Dan Orlovsky recently pointed out, it's past time to stop thinking of Fields as an athlete, and to start thinking of him as a high-level quarterback."

LOL.

The Ringer got filthy with this one. Total race hacks.

The Ugly Narratives Surrounding Justin Fields’s Tumbling Draft Stock

The Ohio State quarterback came into the year as the clear no. 2 passer in the draft, then had a banner season. Yet now he’s seemingly sliding down draft boards due to clichéd critiques that reinforce the uphill battle Black QB prospects face.

www.theringer.com

“Fields’s film is as good as just about any other player in the 2021 class. At 6-foot-3 and 227 pounds, his ability to survive contact and deliver accurate, layered throws made him one of college football’s most nuanced pocket passers. Across two seasons (22 games) as Ohio State’s starter, Fields completed 68.4 percent of his passes for 5,373 yards (9.3 yards per attempt), 63 touchdowns, and nine interceptions, while finishing third (2019) and seventh (2020) in Heisman voting.

Of course, player assessments go beyond statistics. Back in February, Pro Football Network’s Tony Pauline mentioned that an NFL team representative he spoke with at the Senior Bowl asserted that Fields moved to his second read—meaning he targeted a player who wasn’t the primary receiver on a play—seven times out of 225 attempts. This narrative coincided with the beginning of a drop in his perception. Take a look at the below graph from Benjamin Robinson’s Grinding the Mocks site, which has tracked more than 1,000 different mock drafts, to see how Fields’s standing has changed in comparison to Wilson and Jones:

While the tunnel vision narrative has stuck, further analysis casts doubt on the idea that Fields struggled with advancing through his reads. USA Today’s Doug Farrar detailed how Ohio State’s scheme prominently features advanced route progressions, including option patterns, which at times require the quarterback to hold on to the ball longer than usual. Furthermore, per The Draft Network’s Benjamin Solak, Fields threw beyond his first read 42 times, for a rate of 19.09 percent. That mark is higher than those of the other four QB prospects who are likely to go in the first round: Lawrence (16.99 percent), Wilson (14.20 percent), Jones (9.72 percent), and Lance (16.61 percent).

Following Ohio State’s first pro day last month, Buckeyes coach Ryan Day said that he hadn’t heard from any NFL personnel suggesting Fields struggled to read the field. “I know there’s some people who are saying that in the media,” Day added. “I haven’t spoken to them. But I think it’s interesting.”

‘To be honest, we have some of the best receivers in the country,’ Fields said following his first pro day workout. ‘So if my first and second read is there, I’m not going to pass up that first or second read to get to [the third, fourth] or fifth read to prove that I can read.’”