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Instant replay (1 Viewer)

da_budman

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Tonight in the game I noticed that on the 2 point conversion the tv coverage came up with what they called a composite (or words to that effect) replay which showed the 2 point conversion was good when other replay angles seemed to indicate that it probably wasn't. (I think they eventually showed an angle which cleared it up without the composite replay, but that is not my point).

Sunday I saw a play that was reviewed and they not only used slow motion , but also employed a super magnified close up, zooming all around,to determine if a player had posession of the ball or not.

It occurred to me that, even though I wan't to see them get the calls right, I am sort of uncomfortable with the unevenness which the tv networks are going to when a close play happens. On one play it seems like they will go out of there way to come up with something definitive and on another it seems to be a case of not enough evidence to overturn the play (without the super close ups/composite views) It is almost as if they are affecting the outcome of a particular call based on the level of effort/technology they use to show the replay and I am not real comfortable with that.

My questions are. Are there differences in the each of the techknowlegies different networks have at their disposal? Am i the only one who has noticed this?

I had no dog in either of these plays, neither rooting interest nor fantasy implications. It just seems to me that there should be some standards here so that play A is scrutinized with whatever technologies are available just as much as play B. I am not suggesting that there is anything nefarious going on but I think there certainly is that potential in this day and age of sports betting.

 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.

 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Are you saying the NFL has its own cameras at the game (because I don't think that is true) or that the network has different angles they do not show us? I agree the goal should be for the refs to get the call right. If the ref in the booth has all the bells and whistles at his disposal then what I see as inconsistent tv coverage is a moot point but if that is not the case then I still find these magnifications and composite replays troublesome unless they are used every time (if need be to determine the play).
 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Are you saying the NFL has its own cameras at the game (because I don't think that is true) or that the network has different angles they do not show us? I agree the goal should be for the refs to get the call right. If the ref in the booth has all the bells and whistles at his disposal then what I see as inconsistent tv coverage is a moot point but if that is not the case then I still find these magnifications and composite replays troublesome unless they are used every time (if need be to determine the play).
Yes, the replay officials in the booth have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. They have the ability to zoom in and out on all kinds of plays and basically see from any angle to make sure they get it right.
 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Incorrect. They get the exact same views we get at home. I agree with the OP's concerns insofar as the inequality of camera coverage between a smaller market game and the MNF or Sunday Night games.
 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Incorrect. They get the exact same views we get at home. I agree with the OP's concerns insofar as the inequality of camera coverage between a smaller market game and the MNF or Sunday Night games.
Not sure where you get your info. from but my uncle is a ref in the NFL and he has specifically told me that they have thousands of angles to view replays if they wanted to. Whatever it takes to get the call right. Just because the network shows us 3 different angles doesn't mean they're are not others they don't show us.
 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Are you saying the NFL has its own cameras at the game (because I don't think that is true) or that the network has different angles they do not show us? I agree the goal should be for the refs to get the call right. If the ref in the booth has all the bells and whistles at his disposal then what I see as inconsistent tv coverage is a moot point but if that is not the case then I still find these magnifications and composite replays troublesome unless they are used every time (if need be to determine the play).
Yes, the replay officials in the booth have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. They have the ability to zoom in and out on all kinds of plays and basically see from any angle to make sure they get it right.
Where are you getting this from? I've heard Pereira address this question in the past on Official Review and he's always said the replay officials see the exact same camera angles the viewer at home sees.
 
Tonight in the game I noticed that on the 2 point conversion the tv coverage came up with what they called a composite (or words to that effect) replay which showed the 2 point conversion was good when other replay angles seemed to indicate that it probably wasn't. (I think they eventually showed an angle which cleared it up without the composite replay, but that is not my point). Sunday I saw a play that was reviewed and they not only used slow motion , but also employed a super magnified close up, zooming all around,to determine if a player had posession of the ball or not. It occurred to me that, even though I wan't to see them get the calls right, I am sort of uncomfortable with the unevenness which the tv networks are going to when a close play happens. On one play it seems like they will go out of there way to come up with something definitive and on another it seems to be a case of not enough evidence to overturn the play (without the super close ups/composite views) It is almost as if they are affecting the outcome of a particular call based on the level of effort/technology they use to show the replay and I am not real comfortable with that. My questions are. Are there differences in the each of the techknowlegies different networks have at their disposal? Am i the only one who has noticed this? I had no dog in either of these plays, neither rooting interest nor fantasy implications. It just seems to me that there should be some standards here so that play A is scrutinized with whatever technologies are available just as much as play B. I am not suggesting that there is anything nefarious going on but I think there certainly is that potential in this day and age of sports betting.
This is a great point.Small market / non-relevant (to the standings) game gets how many cameras? 8-12? A MNF gets 15-20? (Not sure about the numbers).But then this is a league that has decided to have different overtime rules for the playoffs as opposed to the regular season.
 
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The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Incorrect. They get the exact same views we get at home. I agree with the OP's concerns insofar as the inequality of camera coverage between a smaller market game and the MNF or Sunday Night games.
Not sure where you get your info. from but my uncle is a ref in the NFL and he has specifically told me that they have thousands of angles to view replays if they wanted to. Whatever it takes to get the call right. Just because the network shows us 3 different angles doesn't mean they're are not others they don't show us.
Well there are certainly more than 3 cameras in the stadium but I would guess the majority of the angles are useless for most purposes. I can't imagine the network doesn't have hordes of people in the broadcast booth showing us the 3 or 4 angles that are pertinent to each replay. As I said before IF the replay official has access to all of the bells and whistles (whether the network chooses to use them or not) it is not a big issue, but if they are at the mercy of the networks as to what they have to choose from then that is an issue. I actually did not think of the small market vs prime time tv angle but that is true too. I was speaking of differences from play to play within the same game.
 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Are you saying the NFL has its own cameras at the game (because I don't think that is true) or that the network has different angles they do not show us? I agree the goal should be for the refs to get the call right. If the ref in the booth has all the bells and whistles at his disposal then what I see as inconsistent tv coverage is a moot point but if that is not the case then I still find these magnifications and composite replays troublesome unless they are used every time (if need be to determine the play).
Yes, the replay officials in the booth have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. They have the ability to zoom in and out on all kinds of plays and basically see from any angle to make sure they get it right.
Where are you getting this from? I've heard Pereira address this question in the past on Official Review and he's always said the replay officials see the exact same camera angles the viewer at home sees.
Well, all those extra cameras New England uses to tape the opponent's lockers rooms have to have some use during the game. :shrug:
 
The views showed on tv make no difference. The refs and replay officials are looking at totally different things and have many more angles than we get to see from the networks. Doesn't matter what the networks show, as long as the refs get the call right.
Incorrect. They get the exact same views we get at home. I agree with the OP's concerns insofar as the inequality of camera coverage between a smaller market game and the MNF or Sunday Night games.
Not sure where you get your info. from but my uncle is a ref in the NFL and he has specifically told me that they have thousands of angles to view replays if they wanted to. Whatever it takes to get the call right. Just because the network shows us 3 different angles doesn't mean they're are not others they don't show us.
Pretty sure they are using network cameras. The NFL doesn't have its own accept for taping purposes.
 

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