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Interesting tidbits from Ravens' Director of Personnel (1 Viewer)

The_Man

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I always like listening to Eric DeCosta, the Ravens' #2 guy to Ozzie Newsome and successor to Phil Savage, at this time of year because he offers fascinating insight into what has helped make Baltimore so successful in the draft. He makes the round of local talk shows and is always very candid.

They constantly analyze themselves, as well as the rest of the NFL, to help project what makes a successful draft pick. One thing that the Ravens are now down on are guys with tools who are still "works in progress." From Kyle Boller to Adam Terry, to a bunch of other guys that only Ravens fans have heard of (David Pittman, Patrick Johnson), most of their bust picks have been "tools" guys. The Ravens now pretty much think that if you haven't been able to establish yourself as a premier player in college, then you're not going to do it as a pro, no matter how good your tools are.

To that end, DeCosta sounds pretty sceptical about Heyward-Bay. "He’s a work-in-progress as a player, but he’s a big guy that is very, very fast. He’s a home run hitter, and every team in the NFL is looking for a big guy that runs fast. We want guys that can catch. If you’re 6-foot-3 and run a 4.2, but you can’t catch, that’s a problem. We want receivers that have great ball skills, particularly down the field and inside, between the hashmarks - a guy like an Anquan Boldin, that can take a hit and hold onto the football.”

Talk like that has been fueling word in Baltimore that maybe the Ravens like Hakeem Nicks.

Decosta also talked about the analysis Baltimore did on picks #24-32 in the draft, to see what positions selected in this range resulted in the highest, and lowest, success rate. He said that the position most prone to busting in this range -- by far -- is wide receiver. He went on to say that the positions with the highest success rate in this range are Center, Guard, Safety, Tight End, and Inside Linebacker (not coincidentaly, the Ravens have drafted Ben Grubbs, Ed Reed, Todd Heap, and Ray Lewis in this range).

DeCosta said these positions don't tend to go as high as some of the "skill" positions, and that you almost always end up with a good player if you draft the first guy taken at a particular position. For example, the Ravens have twice selected the first Fullback taken in the draft in recent years and they've both been very good players -- Ovie Mughelli and LeRon McClain. Grubbs, Reed, and Heap were all the first player at their position taken in the years the Ravens drafted them. His quote for this year was: when you can get the best Tight End in Pettigrew, or the fifth best tackle in Eben Britton, you take Pettigrew.

When asked if a WR or a CB with the same grade were both available, would he favor one position over the other. He immediately said CB, pointing out all the 1st round WR busts, and the number of very good WRs taken after the 1st round. He also said it is virtually impossible to draft a starting CB after the 2nd round. I would love to see a breakdown of starting CBs in the NFL and how many were taken in the 3rd round or later.

To sum up, it sounds like the Ravens will not take a 1st round WR and that they will expect value to be their at that position in later rounds. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to trade down. And I would expect them to take a "best player at his position" type guy, like Pettigrew, Maualuga or Mack if they are still available when the Ravens pick. Otherwise, I would look at the best remaining CB on the board.

 
I would love to see a breakdown of starting CBs in the NFL and how many were taken in the 3rd round or later.
Finnegan, for one.I agree with his point just stirred up some trivia thoughts
Asante Samuel(4th) is another. But great article and I find interesting the research on the success rates at the positions picked late in the first rd. I always thought that way about the positions mentioned but good to see research confirming it.
 
Thanks for posting, TM. DeCosta makes a bunch of interesting points but the one that stands out to me is:

One thing that the Ravens are now down on are guys with tools who are still "works in progress." From Kyle Boller to Adam Terry, to a bunch of other guys that only Ravens fans have heard of (David Pittman, Patrick Johnson), most of their bust picks have been "tools" guys. The Ravens now pretty much think that if you haven't been able to establish yourself as a premier player in college, then you're not going to do it as a pro, no matter how good your tools are.

The older I get & the more I watch football, I think this is true. It seems to me that everyone falls in love with the word "potential". We do it in fantasy all the time, I think mostly because there's no visible ceiling for these types of players - mainly because they've done squadoosh so far, so all we have is imaginings of what awesome things their incredible tools do. We seem to get bored or discount guys who have already shown us what they can do - "oh well, he ain't the next Gale Sayers - forget him".

I also think teams fall in love with their drafting styles if they're successful at it, at the expense of adapting & recognizing their blind spots. The Ravens have fallen into this trap somewhat, with those players listed above & more. Dallas had this same issue in the 80s - they had picked so many off-the-board guys in the 70s that turned out to be good they kept thinking they could do it over & over.

I like what DeCosta is saying: pick good football players over good athletes. Do this & you'll hit more than you miss, though it's not a sexy way to go about things.

 
Another interesting thing is that the Ravens seem to be very self-aware about what they're good at and what they're not good at.

For whatever reason, they basically know how to evaluate and pick LBs, RBs, TEs, and Safetys. All the way down to Adalius Thomas in the 5th, to undrafted guys like Bart Scott or Priest Holmes, if the Ravens take a guy at one of these positions, you can be pretty confident he'll be good.

But for years they were terrible with QBs. They still have to be thanking their lucky stars with the way Flacco turned out. And they continue to be horrible at drafting WRs. Look at this long and horrible list of every WR they've drafted over the last decade:

Marcus Smith

Justin Harper

Yamon Figures (3rd round)

Demetrius Williams (actually seems to be a decent player, but was hurt all last year)

Mark Clayton (1st - not terrible, but not good either)

Devard Darling (2nd - horrible production from a player taken so high)

Clarence Moore

Derek Abney

Ron Johnson

Lamont Brightful

Javin Hunter

Travis Taylor (bust for the #10 pick in the draft)

Brandon Stokley

Patrick Johnson (another waste of a 2nd round pick)

I wonder if they shouldn't just recognize that they can't effectively evaluate WRs, stop wasting picks on them, and go after veteran guys like Mason from now on. And this is the one reason I kind of hope the Ravens are in the hunt for Boldin -- if you can't pick 'em, then sign 'em as free agents or trade for 'em. At the very least, DeCosta talked about WRs being busts so often (and he wasn't just talking about the Ravens, though he could have been), it made it sound like they won't use a #1 for one this year.

 
Another interesting thing is that the Ravens seem to be very self-aware about what they're good at and what they're not good at.For whatever reason, they basically know how to evaluate and pick LBs, RBs, TEs, and Safetys. All the way down to Adalius Thomas in the 5th, to undrafted guys like Bart Scott or Priest Holmes, if the Ravens take a guy at one of these positions, you can be pretty confident he'll be good.

But for years they were terrible with QBs. They still have to be thanking their lucky stars with the way Flacco turned out. And they continue to be horrible at drafting WRs. Look at this long and horrible list of every WR they've drafted over the last decade:

Marcus Smith

Justin Harper

Yamon Figures (3rd round)

Demetrius Williams (actually seems to be a decent player, but was hurt all last year)

Mark Clayton (1st - not terrible, but not good either)

Devard Darling (2nd - horrible production from a player taken so high)

Clarence Moore

Derek Abney

Ron Johnson

Lamont Brightful

Javin Hunter

Travis Taylor (bust for the #10 pick in the draft)

Brandon Stokley

Patrick Johnson (another waste of a 2nd round pick)

I wonder if they shouldn't just recognize that they can't effectively evaluate WRs, stop wasting picks on them, and go after veteran guys like Mason from now on. And this is the one reason I kind of hope the Ravens are in the hunt for Boldin -- if you can't pick 'em, then sign 'em as free agents or trade for 'em. At the very least, DeCosta talked about WRs being busts so often (and he wasn't just talking about the Ravens, though he could have been), it made it sound like they won't use a #1 for one this year.
Good post, but they only recently seem to have recognized their weaknesses. For whatever reason, they just miss on WRs (though a lot of others do as well, as you say). I'm like you, stop drafting them unless you have a chance at a once-in-a-decade guy like Calvin Johnson, or a guy falls so far that you have to take him later on in the draft. Otherwise, let other teams separate the wheat from the chaff & either trade from strength for one or sign them as FAs.
 
Some of the interview that the OP is talking about is on youtube, check it out here:

The audio quality isn't great but its still nice to hear it first hand. If you check out the related videos theres a bunch more from the same interview as well.

 
I wonder if they shouldn't just recognize that they can't effectively evaluate WRs, stop wasting picks on them, and go after veteran guys like Mason from now on. And this is the one reason I kind of hope the Ravens are in the hunt for Boldin -- if you can't pick 'em, then sign 'em as free agents or trade for 'em. At the very least, DeCosta talked about WRs being busts so often (and he wasn't just talking about the Ravens, though he could have been), it made it sound like they won't use a #1 for one this year.
From the Baltimore Sun at 4:51 p.m.:
The Ravens have expressed interest in trading for Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin, a league source confirmed Thursday.

It would likely take a first- and a third-round draft pick to acquire Boldin, who had 80 catches for 1,038 yards and 11 touchdowns last season. He has two years remaining on a six-year, $33.99 million deal, but he is seeking a new contract.

Asked whether the Ravens have contacted the Cardinals about Boldin, general manager Ozzie Newsome said Thursday, "With the draft coming up, I've had a chance to talk to eight different teams over the past 48 hours."

The other teams that could pursue Boldin are the Philadelphia Eagles, New York Giants and New York Jets, according to ESPN.
I just wonder if the Ravens aren't more interested in including Suggs as part of this deal than a #1 -- he has a huge cap number since they franchised him, and I don't see any way they can get carry both these guys who want/need big long-term deals in the next year.If they can figure a way to do this and stay under the cap, I would be very happy to give up a #1 and keep Suggs while adding Boldin. As discussed above, even if they use their #1 on a WR, there's no guarantee they'll get a good player.

 
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I just wonder if the Ravens aren't more interested in including Suggs as part of this deal than a #1 -- he has a huge cap number since they franchised him, and I don't see any way they can get carry both these guys who want/need big long-term deals in the next year.

If they can figure a way to do this and stay under the cap, I would be very happy to give up a #1 and keep Suggs while adding Boldin. As discussed above, even if they use their #1 on a WR, there's no guarantee they'll get a good player.

The problem here is that the only reason Arizona is looking at dealing Boldin is they are having cap issues too.

 
I wonder if they shouldn't just recognize that they can't effectively evaluate WRs, stop wasting picks on them, and go after veteran guys like Mason from now on. And this is the one reason I kind of hope the Ravens are in the hunt for Boldin -- if you can't pick 'em, then sign 'em as free agents or trade for 'em. At the very least, DeCosta talked about WRs being busts so often (and he wasn't just talking about the Ravens, though he could have been), it made it sound like they won't use a #1 for one this year.
From the Baltimore Sun at 4:51 p.m.:
The Ravens have expressed interest in trading for Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin, a league source confirmed Thursday.

It would likely take a first- and a third-round draft pick to acquire Boldin, who had 80 catches for 1,038 yards and 11 touchdowns last season. He has two years remaining on a six-year, $33.99 million deal, but he is seeking a new contract.

Asked whether the Ravens have contacted the Cardinals about Boldin, general manager Ozzie Newsome said Thursday, "With the draft coming up, I've had a chance to talk to eight different teams over the past 48 hours."

The other teams that could pursue Boldin are the Philadelphia Eagles, New York Giants and New York Jets, according to ESPN.
I just wonder if the Ravens aren't more interested in including Suggs as part of this deal than a #1 -- he has a huge cap number since they franchised him, and I don't see any way they can get carry both these guys who want/need big long-term deals in the next year.If they can figure a way to do this and stay under the cap, I would be very happy to give up a #1 and keep Suggs while adding Boldin. As discussed above, even if they use their #1 on a WR, there's no guarantee they'll get a good player.
Go get him, Ozzie. Boldin is exactly what they need - he, Mason, Clayton, & Williams would give them a fantastic set of WRs. I think AB is worth a 1st & a 3rd to the Ravens.
 
Smokescreen! :goodposting:

Great insight from an organization that understands the draft process and has historically done very well.

 
Just an update -- heard DeCosta one more time last night.

They still love Pettigrew. I wonder if Atlanta picking up Gonzo makes it a possibility he'll fall to the Ravens.

He said this is the year not to have a top 10 pick, as there aren't any franchise players at the top of the draft like there were last year. He says the value at 25 is as good as it is at 10.

He couldn't comment directly on any players who tested positive at the combine (e.g., Percy Harvin) but he says that anyone who tests positive at the combine is immediately off the Ravens board. Guys know they will be tested, and yet they still can't go a month before without lighting up - -which means they either have a drug problem or an attitude problem. DeCosta called it "like showing up for a job interview wearing a clown suit." He also said that a positive at the combine counts as a first strike in the NFL drug policy, which immediately puts the player at much greater risk for a suspension.

The Ravens were doing the final rankings of their top 77 offensive players yesterday, and will do the same for their top 77 defensive players today, before merging the lists tomorrow. He says there are about 23 players the Ravens really like and he knows they'll get one of them because there 3 or 4 guys not on the Ravens board that will be picked before they are on the clock at 26. He wouldn't name any of them, though.

 

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