Interview question (what to wear) (1 Viewer)

[kutta]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

 

[DrJ]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

He's still getting a job. Just at a place that sucks less.

 

[kutta]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

He's still getting a job. Just at a place that sucks less.

Good one. My average employee makes over $150k per year and has four weeks PTO and works on next gen unmanned vehicle control systems. Yeah. It's a real sucky work...

 

[DrJ]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

He's still getting a job. Just at a place that sucks less.

Good one. My average employee makes over $150k per year and has four weeks PTO and works on next gen unmanned vehicle control systems. Yeah. It's a real sucky work...

I bet the people that qualify for this job have a real hard time finding work. You aren't offering 150K out of the goodness of your heart.

 

[CurlyNight]

You wear the suit and mesh with the personality of the interviewers and talk about what skills you would bring to the company. If you don't get the job, it won't be because you wore a suit. They are going to look at you if you are well groomed and your personality and skills. If they like what they see, they can always tell you it's casual dress here. Then second interview, which most places have, you can dress down some. Dark colors like navy and black are seen as more formal even if the style really isn't.

 

[kutta]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

He's still getting a job. Just at a place that sucks less.

Good one. My average employee makes over $150k per year and has four weeks PTO and works on next gen unmanned vehicle control systems. Yeah. It's a real sucky work...

I bet the people that qualify for this job have a real hard time finding work. You aren't offering 150K out of the goodness of your heart.

I'm not sure what that means and what it has to do with me giving bonus points for suits at interviews.

 

[NutterButter]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

no but would should they say he has on a suit no way he would fit in here

extremely unlikely as well

 

[DrJ]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

He's still getting a job. Just at a place that sucks less.

Good one. My average employee makes over $150k per year and has four weeks PTO and works on next gen unmanned vehicle control systems. Yeah. It's a real sucky work...

I bet the people that qualify for this job have a real hard time finding work. You aren't offering 150K out of the goodness of your heart.

I'm not sure what that means and what it has to do with me giving bonus points for suits at interviews.

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss. And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

 

[NutterButter]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

And what's your reasoning? He wasn't wearing a suit? Sounds like a wonderful hiring process you have there.

 

[NutterButter]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

 

[kutta]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

 

[kutta]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

And what's your reasoning? He wasn't wearing a suit? Sounds like a wonderful hiring process you have there.

Have you read any of my posts?

 

[DrJ]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

They haven't chosen to work at Kutta, you're in the middle of an interview.

 

[FattyVM]

My wife is the HR manager for a boutique digital media agency. She's told me that someone wearing a full suit to an interview is almost always an auto-ding. Shows the person won't fit into their culture and hasn't taken the time to do any research into what life would be like there. They've got about a 50/50 programmer/sales split. I'd caution you against wearing a full suit if the culture of the company really goes against it.

Dumb reasoning

Really. This is a decision to just confuse and to be anti-logic.

 

[belljr]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

no but would should they say he has on a suit no way he would fit in here

extremely unlikely as well

but that was posted earlier in the thread and i just found it odd

 

[KCitons]

So, for a 100 years, wearing a suit, cutting your hair and shaving have been the socially acceptable standard for a job interview. Now the techies have decided to change the social standard.

This should end well.

I don't think shaving has been the standard for 100 years. Beards were very common until one day someone decided against them. Times change.

There's a difference between a groomed beard, and someone that cares little about personal hygiene.

But, I'm not in the tech game, so maybe looking like a homeless man is perfectly normal. And desired by employers.

 

[Christo]

That's mind bottling to me.

 

[kutta]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

They haven't chosen to work at Kutta, you're in the middle of an interview.

You're saying my culture might suck. I'm saying it doesn't. All I've said is I like when a guy shows up in a suit. If that's indicative of having a poor work culture then color me dumbfounded. Go ahead and interview for your next job with jeans and a ball cap on.

 

[Drifter]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

They haven't chosen to work at Kutta, you're in the middle of an interview.

You're saying my culture might suck. I'm saying it doesn't.All I've said is I like when a guy shows up in a suit. If that's indicative of having a poor work culture then color me dumbfounded. Go ahead and interview for your next job with jeans and a ball cap on.

It's a line. You wouldn't turn down a brilliant SDE because he came in in a t-shirt and a Fortune 50 Tech company wouldn't turn down a brilliant leader because he was wearing $300 shoes. However, most of us don't qualify for that key qualification so want to capitalize on what we DO have to offer and in those cases the right assessment of cultural values can be more important than a rigid adherence to mid 20th century standards

 

[Daywalker]

Let me be clear. I don't really mind if someone shows up dressed nicely, and define "nicely" however you want, within reason. But I like it more when a suit is worn, and I find it ludicrous that people would say a suit actually hurts.

Yeah but still...

 

[NutterButter]

In the tech world, if you know your stuff, you'll have plenty of opportunities. Not wearing the suit is just as much as your test of the employer. If its held against you, you do not want to work there. Look else where.

That's just not true. It may be true for a few companies, but the vast number of people I talk to in the industry still prefer people dress up and show respect when looking for a job.

How old are these people? No late twenty/thirty year old programmer cares if someone is wearing a suit. No way, no how.

It doesn't matter what the workers think of what he's wearing. Most hiring managers are older than late 20''s. I'm 48. If I don't like someone then he's not getting a job.

And what's your reasoning? He wasn't wearing a suit? Sounds like a wonderful hiring process you have there.

Have you read any of my posts?

Obviously. I responded to 2 of them.

 

[NutterButter]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

Every one is different. I think you said some of these folks make $150k with 4 weeks pto which is a solid benefits package. Not everyone cares about work attire in general. You'd probably find folks that would wear a suit every day. I have no need for a place that won't hire me b/c I'm only wearing dress pants and a button up and not a suit. Let's say I did conform and I wore a suit to the interview and got the job. Now its summer and I like wearing sandals to work in the summer. That same guy that wouldn't hire me b/c I didn't wear a suit might not recommend me for a yearly bonus b/c I'm wearing sandals. The sooner you find out that an organization has people like this in authority the better. I don't want to work at a place like that.

 

[elguapo07]

Dale and Brennan wore tuxes to an interview in Step Brothers and we all know how that worked out so I definitely wouldn't recommend wearing a tux.

 

[DrJ]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

They haven't chosen to work at Kutta, you're in the middle of an interview.

You're saying my culture might suck. I'm saying it doesn't.All I've said is I like when a guy shows up in a suit. If that's indicative of having a poor work culture then color me dumbfounded. Go ahead and interview for your next job with jeans and a ball cap on.

No, you said if you didn't like him he's not getting a job. I'm saying he's got plenty of prospects, and what you think of him has little to do with whether he's getting a job. He'll go get one at a place that sucks less.

 

[DrJ]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

Every one is different. I think you said some of these folks make $150k with 4 weeks pto which is a solid benefits package. Not everyone cares about work attire in general. You'd probably find folks that would wear a suit every day. I have no need for a place that won't hire me b/c I'm only wearing dress pants and a button up and not a suit. Let's say I did conform and I wore a suit to the interview and got the job. Now its summer and I like wearing sandals to work in the summer. That same guy that wouldn't hire me b/c I didn't wear a suit might not recommend me for a yearly bonus b/c I'm wearing sandals. The sooner you find out that an organization has people like this in authority the better. I don't want to work at a place like that.

Not everyone cares about getting the absolute max for their salary and they'd gladly take a job for less money at a place they'd enjoy working at more. And there isn't exactly a shortage of people paying six figure salaries if you have the chops. When the first thing you bring up about how much your job rules is the salary, I'm a little worried...

 

[Hooper31]

Recruiter was in house. Spoke w/ hiring manager for about 1.5 hours and we connected pretty good, so I might touch base w/ her.

Probably a much better plan to ask her as opposed to anonymous intergoogle personalities attempting to be as judgmental as possible.

 

[kutta]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

Every one is different. I think you said some of these folks make $150k with 4 weeks pto which is a solid benefits package. Not everyone cares about work attire in general. You'd probably find folks that would wear a suit every day. I have no need for a place that won't hire me b/c I'm only wearing dress pants and a button up and not a suit. Let's say I did conform and I wore a suit to the interview and got the job. Now its summer and I like wearing sandals to work in the summer. That same guy that wouldn't hire me b/c I didn't wear a suit might not recommend me for a yearly bonus b/c I'm wearing sandals. The sooner you find out that an organization has people like this in authority the better. I don't want to work at a place like that.

Not everyone cares about getting the absolute max for their salary and they'd gladly take a job for less money at a place they'd enjoy working at more. And there isn't exactly a shortage of people paying six figure salaries if you have the chops. When the first thing you bring up about how much your job rules is the salary, I'm a little worried...

Well make sure you don't apply to work at my company.

 

[kutta]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

They haven't chosen to work at Kutta, you're in the middle of an interview.

You're saying my culture might suck. I'm saying it doesn't.All I've said is I like when a guy shows up in a suit. If that's indicative of having a poor work culture then color me dumbfounded. Go ahead and interview for your next job with jeans and a ball cap on.

No, you said if you didn't like him he's not getting a job. I'm saying he's got plenty of prospects, and what you think of him has little to do with whether he's getting a job. He'll go get one at a place that sucks less.

So I should hire people I don't like to work at my company? I'm not following your line of thought here. I think you are just trying to pick a fight now.

 

[kutta]

It means that this guy has plenty of opportunity, and if your culture isn't acceptable it might be your loss.

And the manager's attitude plays a big part in that culture, and how much a job sucks.

So with your reasoning, they have plenty of opportunity yet they choose to work at Kutta. Why? I have 40 employees, 15 who have been with me for over 8 years. For some reason, these guys with all these opportunities choose to stay. Yep. Must be a horrible culture.

Every one is different. I think you said some of these folks make $150k with 4 weeks pto which is a solid benefits package. Not everyone cares about work attire in general. You'd probably find folks that would wear a suit every day. I have no need for a place that won't hire me b/c I'm only wearing dress pants and a button up and not a suit. Let's say I did conform and I wore a suit to the interview and got the job. Now its summer and I like wearing sandals to work in the summer. That same guy that wouldn't hire me b/c I didn't wear a suit might not recommend me for a yearly bonus b/c I'm wearing sandals. The sooner you find out that an organization has people like this in authority the better. I don't want to work at a place like that.

Link to where I said I wouldn't hire you if you showed up in a dress shirt and slacks. Link to where I said I didn't like people wearing sandals to work? In fact, if you would have read my previous posts, I said our environment was very casual and people wear shorts and t shirts. And I also said I have no problem hiring non-suit wearers.Maybe I'm missing something but this is getting really silly.

 

[Fennis]

so when the candidate comes in a suit, what are you wearing?

bump

 

[kutta]

so when the candidate comes in a suit, what are you wearing?

bump

This was answered earlier. Try to keep up.

 

[KCitons]

Recruiter was in house. Spoke w/ hiring manager for about 1.5 hours and we connected pretty good, so I might touch base w/ her.

Probably a much better plan to ask her as opposed to anonymous intergoogle personalities attempting to be as judgmental as possible.

Example A.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

So, for a 100 years, wearing a suit, cutting your hair and shaving have been the socially acceptable standard for a job interview. Now the techies have decided to change the social standard.

This should end well.

what's next, cats marrying dogs?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I hope whoever invented the tie and went on to make it such a basic part of formal wear is happy spending the afterlife in their special corner of hell in torture and anguish. Ties are so incredibly uncomfortable. They make you hot, sweaty and itchy. The day that the tie eventually falls out of favor in the business world cant come soon enough.

tie does nothing. you probably have poorly fitted shirts. or you don't know how to tie a tie.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Why do some of you insist on a suit and not on a tux? Black tie or white tie for my junior account manager interview?

In this day and age, even Mary Kay saleswomen have their own websites. If you go to the company website and cannot find a single person in a suit, you should be able to figure out the culture. If you're interviewing at Ernst & Young, you better get your three-piece on.

Because a tux is considered formal wear. A suit is considered business wear.

I don't think it's that difficult to understand. I actually don't care if an HR person is OK with a person wearing shorts to a job interview. The problem I have is that it's not common knowledge. You may be the perfect skill set, but your suit kept you from getting the job. I hate when people change rules, but choose to keep it to themselves.

I mean, really,how hard would it be for some governmental entity to tell us all the things that we should know and do? Choices are difficult and scary.

 

[TheIronSheik]

That's mind bottling to me.

Yeah, mind bottling. You know, where things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle?

 

[the moops]

So, for a 100 years, wearing a suit, cutting your hair and shaving have been the socially acceptable standard for a job interview. Now the techies have decided to change the social standard.

Can't remember the last time I shaved, got a hair cut, or wore a suit to an interview. I'm not a tech guy either.

Not sure why it is so hard to fathom that the "always a suit" thing is not the case for a large number of jobs.

 

[ntz08]

That's mind bottling to me.

Yeah, mind bottling. You know, where things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle?

I know a guy that routinely said "mind-bottling" pre Blades of Glory

 

[KCitons]

So, for a 100 years, wearing a suit, cutting your hair and shaving have been the socially acceptable standard for a job interview. Now the techies have decided to change the social standard.

Can't remember the last time I shaved, got a hair cut, or wore a suit to an interview. I'm not a tech guy either.

Not sure why it is so hard to fathom that the "always a suit" thing is not the case for a large number of jobs.

Did you receive a job offer for every interview? If not, could your physical appearance have played any part in not getting the offer?

 

[the moops]

So, for a 100 years, wearing a suit, cutting your hair and shaving have been the socially acceptable standard for a job interview. Now the techies have decided to change the social standard.

Can't remember the last time I shaved, got a hair cut, or wore a suit to an interview. I'm not a tech guy either.

Not sure why it is so hard to fathom that the "always a suit" thing is not the case for a large number of jobs.

Did you receive a job offer for every interview? If not, could your physical appearance have played any part in not getting the offer?

I did receive an offer for all those jobs. I am too damn charming to not get an offer.

But seriously, there are some jobs that you should absolutely wear a suit for an interview, and there are some jobs that you should absolutely not wear a suit. And then there are a #### ton that you could go either way.

 

[KCitons]

So, for a 100 years, wearing a suit, cutting your hair and shaving have been the socially acceptable standard for a job interview. Now the techies have decided to change the social standard.

Can't remember the last time I shaved, got a hair cut, or wore a suit to an interview. I'm not a tech guy either.

Not sure why it is so hard to fathom that the "always a suit" thing is not the case for a large number of jobs.

Did you receive a job offer for every interview? If not, could your physical appearance have played any part in not getting the offer?

I did receive an offer for all those jobs. I am too damn charming to not get an offer.

But seriously, there are some jobs that you should absolutely wear a suit for an interview, and there are some jobs that you should absolutely not wear a suit. And then there are a #### ton that you could go either way.

Yes, the charm is endless.

 

[Keerock]

Interviewer: So what would you say is your biggest weakness?

Tackling Dummies: I'd have to say "Honesty"

Interviewer: Really, I'd think honesty would be a good thing...

Tackling Dummies: I don't give a #### what you think.