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Intriguing Week 6 Matchup -- Saints @ Patriots (see inside) (1 Viewer)

gianmarco

Footballguy
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!

 

devouredbychaos

Footballguy
Saints D probably couldn't hold Gabbert to 3pts, what makes you think they could hold Brady to 3 when he's finally starting to gel with his WRs and Gronk/Glassmendola are potentially back? This has the makings of a great game though. I'll take the Pats at home 24-17.

 

gianmarco

Footballguy
Saints D probably couldn't hold Gabbert to 3pts, what makes you think they could hold Brady to 3 when he's finally starting to gel with his WRs and Gronk/Glassmendola are potentially back? This has the makings of a great game though. I'll take the Pats at home 24-17.
The Saints D that is ranked 6th overall in the NFL currently and 4th in ppg allowed in the entire NFL? That one?

 

pats3in4

Footballguy
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
 

saintfool

Dead sexy
gianmarco said:
devouredbychaos said:
Saints D probably couldn't hold Gabbert to 3pts, what makes you think they could hold Brady to 3 when he's finally starting to gel with his WRs and Gronk/Glassmendola are potentially back? This has the makings of a great game though. I'll take the Pats at home 24-17.
The Saints D that is ranked 6th overall in the NFL currently and 4th in ppg allowed in the entire NFL? That one?
With all the talk about the NE WRs coming together - finally - what makes anyone think the Pats defense will be able to slow down the Saints? Wilfork is done for the year after all. When the o-line protects Brees has time to pick apart the opposing team.

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
I actually loved the idea of this thread until your prediction. Clever troll attempt though

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
devouredbychaos said:
Saints D probably couldn't hold Gabbert to 3pts, what makes you think they could hold Brady to 3 when he's finally starting to gel with his WRs and Gronk/Glassmendola are potentially back? This has the makings of a great game though. I'll take the Pats at home 24-17.
Love the nickname for Amendola :moneybag:

 

Raider Nation

Devil's Advocate
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
I actually loved the idea of this thread until your prediction. Clever troll attempt though
I think I missed that part.

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
pats3in4 said:
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
Yes they did.

Sad part is Brady allllmooost had the streak snapped in that messy game at the Jets. Too bad.

As to the game, the Pats are nearly impossible to beat at home. Nearly. The WRs are getting better and Danny A and Gronk could both be back, with an improving Thompkins, the irony is with all the mess the Pats' receivers have been in and the flux in the gameplan with guys like Vereen going out and Bolden coming in and out, no one will really still know what the Pats full strength game plan looks like by Week 6.

The schedule makers have some real doozies for the Saints this year too - they play at the Bears, then at the Pats, then a few weeks later they get SF in NO, at ATL on TNF, and then at Seattle. These two stretches are real landmines.

 
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msudaisy26

Footballguy
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
I actually loved the idea of this thread until your prediction. Clever troll attempt though
I think I missed that part.
You don't see that as trolling to all the Brady and Pats fans?

Or it isn't clever?

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
pats3in4 said:
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
Yes they did.

Sad part is Brady allllmooost had the streak snapped in that messy game at the Jets. Too bad.

As to the game, the Pats are nearly impossible to beat at home. Nearly. The WRs are getting better and Danny A and Gronk could both be back, with an improving Thompkins, the irony is with all the mess the Pats' receivers have been in and the flux in the gameplan with guys like Vereen going out and Bolden coming in and out, no one will really still know what the Pats full strength game plan looks like by Week 6.

The schedule makers have some real doozies for the Saints this year too - they play at the Bears, then at the Pats, then a few weeks later they get SF in NO, at ATL on TNF, and then at Seattle. These two stretches are real landmines.
He threw a touchdown pass 2 minutes and 4 seconds into the game. I am confused, how is that close to losing the streak?

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
pats3in4 said:
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
Yes they did.

Sad part is Brady allllmooost had the streak snapped in that messy game at the Jets. Too bad.

As to the game, the Pats are nearly impossible to beat at home. Nearly. The WRs are getting better and Danny A and Gronk could both be back, with an improving Thompkins, the irony is with all the mess the Pats' receivers have been in and the flux in the gameplan with guys like Vereen going out and Bolden coming in and out, no one will really still know what the Pats full strength game plan looks like by Week 6.

The schedule makers have some real doozies for the Saints this year too - they play at the Bears, then at the Pats, then a few weeks later they get SF in NO, at ATL on TNF, and then at Seattle. These two stretches are real landmines.
He threw a touchdown pass 2 minutes and 4 seconds into the game. I am confused, how is that close to losing the streak?
Ok, that's my take - I thought that was a bit of a trick play, sort of hiding the ball behind that bunched up formation and then the jump pass to Dobson, then they struggled the whole game with the pass and they never got another passing TD. Personally I think he was lucky to get that one, but hey I know it counts.

 

Raider Nation

Devil's Advocate
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
I actually loved the idea of this thread until your prediction. Clever troll attempt though
I think I missed that part.
You don't see that as trolling to all the Brady and Pats fans?

Or it isn't clever?
Well, since "clever" was the word I bolded. :)

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
pats3in4 said:
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
Yes they did.

Sad part is Brady allllmooost had the streak snapped in that messy game at the Jets. Too bad.

As to the game, the Pats are nearly impossible to beat at home. Nearly. The WRs are getting better and Danny A and Gronk could both be back, with an improving Thompkins, the irony is with all the mess the Pats' receivers have been in and the flux in the gameplan with guys like Vereen going out and Bolden coming in and out, no one will really still know what the Pats full strength game plan looks like by Week 6.

The schedule makers have some real doozies for the Saints this year too - they play at the Bears, then at the Pats, then a few weeks later they get SF in NO, at ATL on TNF, and then at Seattle. These two stretches are real landmines.
He threw a touchdown pass 2 minutes and 4 seconds into the game. I am confused, how is that close to losing the streak?
Ok, that's my take - I thought that was a bit of a trick play, sort of hiding the ball behind that bunched up formation and then the jump pass to Dobson, then they struggled the whole game with the pass and they never got another passing TD. Personally I think he was lucky to get that one, but hey I know it counts.
I am sure he had closer calls, I actually had to go back and look at the box score because I wasn't able to watch the game. I thought he might have thrown it in the second half. It might have been a trick play but it was early in the game so I don't count it as a close call.

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
I actually loved the idea of this thread until your prediction. Clever troll attempt though
I think I missed that part.
You don't see that as trolling to all the Brady and Pats fans?

Or it isn't clever?
Well, since "clever" was the word I bolded. :)
Lol, I honestly couldn't even see it but this is an older lab top.

 

Raider Nation

Devil's Advocate
pats3in4 said:
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
Yes they did.

Sad part is Brady allllmooost had the streak snapped in that messy game at the Jets. Too bad.

As to the game, the Pats are nearly impossible to beat at home. Nearly. The WRs are getting better and Danny A and Gronk could both be back, with an improving Thompkins, the irony is with all the mess the Pats' receivers have been in and the flux in the gameplan with guys like Vereen going out and Bolden coming in and out, no one will really still know what the Pats full strength game plan looks like by Week 6.

The schedule makers have some real doozies for the Saints this year too - they play at the Bears, then at the Pats, then a few weeks later they get SF in NO, at ATL on TNF, and then at Seattle. These two stretches are real landmines.
He threw a touchdown pass 2 minutes and 4 seconds into the game. I am confused, how is that close to losing the streak?
Ok, that's my take - I thought that was a bit of a trick play, sort of hiding the ball behind that bunched up formation and then the jump pass to Dobson, then they struggled the whole game with the pass and they never got another passing TD. Personally I think he was lucky to get that one, but hey I know it counts.
Didn't Brees get a "lucky" one during his streak, as I recall. A late turnover led to a TD pass with under 1:00 left?

 

Warrior

Footballguy
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
Posts like this are so pointless to me. Do you really think NE would want to win less if they didn't lose to the Saint four years ago?

Do you REALLY think the Saints defense will try so much harder to stop Brady from throwing a TD because they want to preserve Brees' record?

People seem to think that these players don't even care about winning and need to fabricate reasons for them to try hard and therefore magically play so much better.

Both teams really want to win. Just like EVERY team really wants to win. No fabricated drama you come up with will change that.

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
pats3in4 said:
But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.
Schedule makers did this on purpose. Folks at PatsFans.com were discussing at the end of last year that the Saints game would be either the record-tying or record-breaking game. Most thought it would be the record-breaking game.
Yes they did.

Sad part is Brady allllmooost had the streak snapped in that messy game at the Jets. Too bad.

As to the game, the Pats are nearly impossible to beat at home. Nearly. The WRs are getting better and Danny A and Gronk could both be back, with an improving Thompkins, the irony is with all the mess the Pats' receivers have been in and the flux in the gameplan with guys like Vereen going out and Bolden coming in and out, no one will really still know what the Pats full strength game plan looks like by Week 6.

The schedule makers have some real doozies for the Saints this year too - they play at the Bears, then at the Pats, then a few weeks later they get SF in NO, at ATL on TNF, and then at Seattle. These two stretches are real landmines.
He threw a touchdown pass 2 minutes and 4 seconds into the game. I am confused, how is that close to losing the streak?
Ok, that's my take - I thought that was a bit of a trick play, sort of hiding the ball behind that bunched up formation and then the jump pass to Dobson, then they struggled the whole game with the pass and they never got another passing TD. Personally I think he was lucky to get that one, but hey I know it counts.
Didn't Brees get a "lucky" one during his streak, as I recall. A late turnover led to a TD pass with under 1:00 left?
Actually yes I do think I recall that. He was also somewhat unlucky against the Falcons last year when Sproles got stopped at the 1 yard line right before half.

I think we know Brady will break the record. I'm also sure BB remembers what the Saints did to the Pats in the Dome in 09. These could be two 5-0 teams meeting here. Quite a few story lines here.

 

gianmarco

Footballguy
Why is this intriguing?

Well, the obvious is that you might have two 5-0 teams squaring off. These 2 teams met on MNF back in 2009 when the undefeated Saints took it to the Patriots back in the dome. This time, they'll be playing at Foxboro and I'm sure NE will want to return the favor.

It also might be the debut of Gronk if he's held out one more week. So there will be the Graham vs. Gronk factor.

But, potentially the biggest storyline? Provided he throws one next week vs. Cincy, Brady will be looking to tie Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD throw. You can bet the Saints defense will know this. Payton will know this. Brady will know this.

My prediction: Saints win 10-3 in a defensive battle and snap the streak!
I actually loved the idea of this thread until your prediction. Clever troll attempt though
I think I missed that part.
Ouch

 

Breesisdaman

Footballguy
This game is two weeks away, Chicago is no walk in the Park. That being said the Patriots will need all their horses playing at 100% health and have a very good game plan ready to stay with the Saints in this one. It could go either way but my money is on the Saints. ANd Brady will break the record and it doesnt matter all that matters is hoisting that Lombardi in New York later this year.

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
This game is two weeks away, Chicago is no walk in the Park. That being said the Patriots will need all their horses playing at 100% health and have a very good game plan ready to stay with the Saints in this one. It could go either way but my money is on the Saints. ANd Brady will break the record and it doesnt matter all that matters is hoisting that Lombardi in New York later this year.
To tell you the truth the Bears game might actually be more important because we're talking home field advantage in the playoffs there.

Seattle might not lose more than one game, they could lose 4, but even so Saints losing the Pats game might be "ok" as an AFC loss. That's clearly not how they're thinking though, they're on a mission (again).

 
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Breesisdaman

Footballguy
Its going to be a battle for the Saints thats for damn sure and it will be one road trip they wont take likely. I have a lot of respect for the Pats and how they treated the Saints when Payton was suspended, hosting our team for scrimmages and playing a Sean Payton motivational movie for them. Sort of like they took us under their wing a bit. But that was then and this is now and its all about business and home field advantage. It will be a epic battle of two mastermind coaches and stellar future HOF QB's. Gronk will be back and I expect he will have a huge game in response to Jimmy Graham on the other sideline. I predict the Saints win but only by a narrow margin. Maybe a field goal.

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick

Conference Call with New Orleans Media

What are your thoughts on Sean Payton’s offensive system?



“I think Sean does a real good job of keeping the defense off balance. They really attack pretty much every inch of the field. They run toss plays and screens. They like to get the ball outside. They have a good inside running game. They throw the ball. (Drew) Brees uses his guys on checkdowns and things like that very well and they have the ability to get the ball vertically down the field to pretty much everybody, especially the receivers, but (Jimmy) Graham obviously and even (Darren) Sproles to an extent. So, you have to defend the deep ball. You have to defend from the sideline to the middle of the field. You have to defend the running game inside and out, the backs, the tight ends, the receivers; they are all a big part of the passing game. Brees even, they have some moving pocket plays where he boots and he has had a couple red area scrambles where the receivers are covered and he was able to run them into the end zone as kind of a sixth receiver. They just have a lot of different weapons, a lot of different ways to attack you, obviously a lot of good players, very good scheme. They are well-coached. They don’t make a lot of mistakes. They don’t get a lot of penalties, turn the ball over, or have bad plays where they create long yardage situations, little stuff like that. I think they are at the top of the league in fewest negative runs, those type of numbers so you don’t get a lot of long yardage opportunities that some teams get themselves into one way or another and it’s hard to convert those. They don’t get that on first and second down, they are usually in a third down situation and is somewhat manageable. They stay on the field and when they get in the red area they score a lot of points down there. It’s a great offensive system. Sean (Payton), Pete Carmichael and their staff do a great job of coaching it and installing it and they execute it well.”

...

What are some of the common things you see that you and Sean share?



“We both worked for Coach (Bill) Parcells. We have a similar general overall outlook to the game as how we try to coach of what things are important. When we practiced with the Saints they are very easy to work with. I think the things that we want to emphasize in practice, they want to emphasize. The ability to do things and work together because of common philosophies, not schematically, but in terms of approach to the game, practicing, preparing, working against each other, those things were very easy with the Saints.”
 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
Rob Ryan may have some special insight into Belichick.

This is Belichick's presser from a couple days ago, turns out Ryan was a LBers coach with the Pats:

How has Rob Ryan grown as a coach since he left New England?

“Well when he was at New England, he coached the linebackers. Then when he went to Oakland as a coordinator, he’s really been a coordinator since he left New England. I’d say that’s the major development. Rob’s teams have always been, we played against them at Oakland, at Dallas, and now this week at New Orleans, but just watching his defenses play, they’re always very well prepared, they’re a good situational team, they do things weekly that attack the specific opponent that they’re playing, keep you off balance and present problems that hit at your weaknesses. I think he’s got great experience from his total background, from his family to all the coaching that he’s done. He’s been in several different systems. Rob is a smart guy that really is a very dedicated coach. He works hard at football, studies football, and has a good understanding of what other people are doing, which then of course helps him in whatever he’s doing (with a) better understanding of what’s going on. He’s good in the running game, good in the passing game, good on situation football. He’s got a good energy; he installs a solid confidence within his players because he’s always prepared. He knows what to do and I think that carries over to the people he works with…at least it did here. I really enjoyed having Rob on the staff here. He contributed a lot to us and he had the opportunity to move up as a coordinator and I couldn’t do that at that time, so I was happy for him to have that opportunity and he has obviously done well with it. He’s an excellent coach.”
 

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