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[the moops]

I find it hilarious that I've probably dumped $1500 into Apple products over the past 3-4 years, and $400 into Android products, yet I'm considered anti-Apple and pro-Droid on this board b/c I don't worship at the Jobs alter.

I think it is more to do with the fact that you repeatedly complain about the same things. Over, and over, and over.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I think that's probably a fair take. And Jobs certainly has every right to make that decision. But from a consumer standpoint, does it make sense to say that you're rather not have flash at all, as opposed to having it and the minor hiccups that come with it? I agree with Jobs that Flash isn't ideal for mobile devices. But I don't get the argument that a device that doesn't do Flash at all is somehow a better mobile user experience.

My wife is sitting beside me in bed looking through photo albums via her shutterfly app on the iPad. The iPad is AWESOME for stuff like that. It's perfect for pulling out dl'd movies for my 1 yr old wherever we are. It's a grandslam for stuff like that. But for browsing the internet? That's where the magic ends.

I think it makes a lot of sense. If there was a performance issue, the device would get the blame. Now the device works great, and the "problem" is Adobe's.

Fair point, but as a consumer, the problem is also now mine, since I can't get flash w/o jumping through hoops.

I just don't get this. Why in gods name would you get out a netbook to watch flash instead of taking the 12 seconds to download iswifter and just watch them right on your iPad?

b/c iSwifter doesn't completely solve the problem - not all flash plays on it either.And it's not "12 seconds". You have to exit Safari and open the new browser, and then navigate to the page you wanted to watch and hope that it plays.

To act like this stuff is no big deal when "superior user experience" is the claim to fame is hilarious.

You are correct, it should be much less than 12 seconds to open the new browser and simply cut and paste the link.but hey, if you can actually do it faster by putting down the ipad, and getting out a netbook, more power to you.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

 

[NewlyRetired]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

I am happy people are arguing about it. If I only read Tommy's posts I would think that there was no way to watch flash on the ipad when in reality one can download a free app and happily watch ESPN3.com and other flash sites.It is ironic though. Due to his constant #####ing and being corrected numerous times, I have learned enough to buy an IPAD 2.

 

[tommyGunZ]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

I am happy people are arguing about it. If I only read Tommy's posts I would think that there was no way to watch flash on the ipad when in reality one can download a free app and happily watch ESPN3.com and other flash sites.

It is ironic though. Due to his constant #####ing and being corrected numerous times, I have learned enough to buy an IPAD 2.

So you don't already have an iPad, yet you're telling me exactly how many seconds it takes you to move in and out of browsers, cut and paste links, and start watching the video, if iSwift will actually play the video?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I find it hilarious that I've probably dumped $1500 into Apple products over the past 3-4 years, and $400 into Android products, yet I'm considered anti-Apple and pro-Droid on this board b/c I don't worship at the Jobs alter.

I think it is more to do with the fact that you repeatedly complain about the same things. Over, and over, and over.

Yet folks like goon continue to marginalize the issue.ETA: Clap your hands folks - I'm through with the flash issue, until the iPad3 comes out and you guys are hyping the "all NEW FLASH CAPABILITIES!!!" as being a "game changer".

 

[NewlyRetired]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

I am happy people are arguing about it. If I only read Tommy's posts I would think that there was no way to watch flash on the ipad when in reality one can download a free app and happily watch ESPN3.com and other flash sites.

It is ironic though. Due to his constant #####ing and being corrected numerous times, I have learned enough to buy an IPAD 2.

So you don't already have an iPad, yet you're telling me exactly how many seconds it takes you to move in and out of browsers, cut and paste links, and start watching the video, if iSwift will actually play the video?

I have an ipod touch. I know how simple it is to cut and paste and change apps.It literally is a couple of touches. Are you going to try and convince me that it would take longer to do on the Ipad than on a touch? I would HIGHLY doubt that. It took me about 3 seconds on the touch to copy the link, open up another app and paste the link into the other app.

Keep laughing though because it is yourself that is being the fool in this thread.

 

[tommyGunZ]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

I am happy people are arguing about it. If I only read Tommy's posts I would think that there was no way to watch flash on the ipad when in reality one can download a free app and happily watch ESPN3.com and other flash sites.

It is ironic though. Due to his constant #####ing and being corrected numerous times, I have learned enough to buy an IPAD 2.

So you don't already have an iPad, yet you're telling me exactly how many seconds it takes you to move in and out of browsers, cut and paste links, and start watching the video, if iSwift will actually play the video?

I have an ipod touch. I know how simple it is to cut and paste and change apps.It literally is a couple of touches. Are you going to try and convince me that it would take longer to do on the Ipad than on a touch? I would HIGHLY doubt that. It took me about 3 seconds on the touch to copy the link, open up another app and paste the link into the other app.

Keep laughing though because it is yourself that is being the fool in this thread.

I'd be willing to bet you $1000 that it takes more than 3 seconds to copy the web address, back out of your current browser, launch the new browser, paste the website, and for it to appear. Either way, I'm glad you've become good at the 4-5 steps it takes to switch browsers in order to watch standard internet video, because it happens far more often than many who marginalize the issue claim it does. New iPad motto, "you shouldn't have to do that, but you'll do it anyway, and claim it's not annoying, because we said so".

 

[NewlyRetired]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

I am happy people are arguing about it. If I only read Tommy's posts I would think that there was no way to watch flash on the ipad when in reality one can download a free app and happily watch ESPN3.com and other flash sites.

It is ironic though. Due to his constant #####ing and being corrected numerous times, I have learned enough to buy an IPAD 2.

So you don't already have an iPad, yet you're telling me exactly how many seconds it takes you to move in and out of browsers, cut and paste links, and start watching the video, if iSwift will actually play the video?

I have an ipod touch. I know how simple it is to cut and paste and change apps.It literally is a couple of touches. Are you going to try and convince me that it would take longer to do on the Ipad than on a touch? I would HIGHLY doubt that. It took me about 3 seconds on the touch to copy the link, open up another app and paste the link into the other app.

Keep laughing though because it is yourself that is being the fool in this thread.

I'd be willing to bet you $1000 that it takes more than 3 seconds to copy the web address, back out of your current browser, launch the new browser, paste the website, and for it to appear.

Have you ever actually used the device???????I just did it on the ipod touch (copying link from safari to another app). It is literally a couple of touches.

Why do you continue to make this sound like it is the hardest thing in the world to do???? I am not talking about download time obviously since that is network related and variable, but the actual coping of a link from one app to another is so easy and fast I have to think you are just trying to make this seem hard because without it being rocket science, your entire ##### fest falls flat on its face (like it needs any more help)

 

[goonsquad]

I find it hilarious that I've probably dumped $1500 into Apple products over the past 3-4 years, and $400 into Android products, yet I'm considered anti-Apple and pro-Droid on this board b/c I don't worship at the Jobs alter.

I think it is more to do with the fact that you repeatedly complain about the same things. Over, and over, and over.

This.

 

[-fish-]

I just tried this, without having ever done it before. takes less than 10 seconds.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I just tried this, without having ever done it before. takes less than 10 seconds.

and that has to include the network time. No way it would take close to 10 seconds to copy the link from one app to another once you know how to do it.But even at 10 seconds, it is most certainly faster to put down your ipod and to go get your netbook and do it. I know because Tommy told me so

 

[tommyGunZ]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

I am happy people are arguing about it. If I only read Tommy's posts I would think that there was no way to watch flash on the ipad when in reality one can download a free app and happily watch ESPN3.com and other flash sites.

It is ironic though. Due to his constant #####ing and being corrected numerous times, I have learned enough to buy an IPAD 2.

So you don't already have an iPad, yet you're telling me exactly how many seconds it takes you to move in and out of browsers, cut and paste links, and start watching the video, if iSwift will actually play the video?

I have an ipod touch. I know how simple it is to cut and paste and change apps.It literally is a couple of touches. Are you going to try and convince me that it would take longer to do on the Ipad than on a touch? I would HIGHLY doubt that. It took me about 3 seconds on the touch to copy the link, open up another app and paste the link into the other app.

Keep laughing though because it is yourself that is being the fool in this thread.

I'd be willing to bet you $1000 that it takes more than 3 seconds to copy the web address, back out of your current browser, launch the new browser, paste the website, and for it to appear.

Have you ever actually used the device???????I just did it on the ipod touch (copying link from safari to another app). It is literally a couple of touches.

Why do you continue to make this sound like it is the hardest thing in the world to do???? I am not talking about download time obviously since that is network related and variable, but the actual coping of a link from one app to another is so easy and fast I have to think you are just trying to make this seem hard because without it being rocket science, your entire ##### fest falls flat on its face (like it needs any more help)

Never said it was rocket science. And no, I've never spent the time to switch in and out of browsers in order to watch video; I use Chrome and it's never been an issue. I don't have to. LOL at "#### fest". Pointing out an inefficiency in an Apple product sure does raise the blood pressure of the fruit-droids.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why do you continue to make this sound like it is the hardest thing in the world to do????

Please link to where I said this. Thanks.

 

[goonsquad]

 

[NewlyRetired]

yup, that is clear now OK lets get to more important issues. Who do I need to kill to get an IPAD 2 in my hands? I am probably going to try 10 stores close to me (Walmarts, Best Buys and Targets) all week. if no luck at the end of the week I will order and wait it out.Does anyone know if you can order from apple and then cancel if you do find one local?

 

[Memphis Foundry]

The BlackBerry PlayBook is supposed to ship with Flash and Adobe Air support. It will also allegedly run Android apps and BlackBerry Java apps, both through software emulators.

I'm not a BlackBerry fan at all, but I have to say that they've done a good job of positioning the PlayBook as an intriguing mobile swiss-army knife of sorts. It also has a 7" screen so they've given apologists a built-in out to say that it's not directly competing with the iPad. The real question is how good those app emulators are going to be. (My expectation is that they'll be OK but not great.) They've certainly spent a great deal of time preparing the product for launch, which is an encouraging sign. They've announced April 19 as their launch day.

I bought a 3G iPad 2 on the day it came out and I'm working on making it my primary mobile computer -- basically a "leave the laptop, take the iPad" project. It is going more smoothly than I thought it would. I was concerned about the lack of Flash at first, but I have been somewhat surprised to discover how little I miss it. Maybe that's just me, though.

The only place that I've really run into roadblocks is in trying to wrangle files, perform basic functions like document sync and search, and making those documents available across multiple apps. I understand that Apple's position has been that the iPad is a "post-filesystem" device. But at the same time, they've gradually given developers a set of very rudimentary tools for spanning application silos. As a result, there are now a bunch of completely proprietary workarounds that will allow you to sync/transfer files only between certain groups of applications, and often only in one direction. It's a pretty big mess. I'd love to hear how y'all have worked around this problem effectively using iFiles, DropBox, ReaddleDocs, Goodreader, EverNote, or any other combination of apps and storage solutions.

The big iOS 5 rumor is that Apple is building in centralized support at the operating system level for streaming and syncing from cloud-based storage. That's the right way to do it -- at the OS level -- and if done properly it should provide a solution for these issues. But it's probably about 6 months off. It could quickly make MobileMe worth buying, though.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Does goon work for apple?

 

[cstu]

In two years the iPad will still have its limitations but there will be tons of tablets that do not. By then the two things that will differentiate the iPad will be the Retina screen and apps, but I a lot of people will be buying alternatives.

In two years Flash will be a non-issue. One of two things will happen: 1) Adobe will continue to struggle in evolving Flash into a modern, mobile-friendly technology and Apple will continue to sell hundreds of millions of iOS devices without Flash leading to Flash's near-complete extinction. Or 2) Adobe will get their act together, realize Flash as we know it now has to dramatically change to survive in a mobile-dominated technology landscape, and will successfully retool/replace Flash. Apple will open iOS to this new Flash, eliminating a prime differentiator from their competition.

Windows 8 tablets will crush iPad sales regardless of what Apple does with Flash. The iPad will remain a nice toy but corporations and power users will want the flexibility and functionality of a Windows tablet.

 

[Foosball God]

In two years the iPad will still have its limitations but there will be tons of tablets that do not. By then the two things that will differentiate the iPad will be the Retina screen and apps, but I a lot of people will be buying alternatives.

In two years Flash will be a non-issue. One of two things will happen: 1) Adobe will continue to struggle in evolving Flash into a modern, mobile-friendly technology and Apple will continue to sell hundreds of millions of iOS devices without Flash leading to Flash's near-complete extinction. Or 2) Adobe will get their act together, realize Flash as we know it now has to dramatically change to survive in a mobile-dominated technology landscape, and will successfully retool/replace Flash. Apple will open iOS to this new Flash, eliminating a prime differentiator from their competition.

Windows 8 tablets will crush iPad sales regardless of what Apple does with Flash. The iPad will remain a nice toy but corporations and power users will want the flexibility and functionality of a Windows tablet.

Maybe I'm just not getting it but are you suggesting that a tablet will replace a laptop or desktop PC?

 

[Otis]

is this the thread where I come to argue about flash?

Looks that way, but only if you're a guy who is really upset about flash.

 

[Otis]

The BlackBerry PlayBook is supposed to ship with Flash and Adobe Air support. It will also allegedly run Android apps and BlackBerry Java apps, both through software emulators.I'm not a BlackBerry fan at all, but I have to say that they've done a good job of positioning the PlayBook as an intriguing mobile swiss-army knife of sorts. It also has a 7" screen so they've given apologists a built-in out to say that it's not directly competing with the iPad. The real question is how good those app emulators are going to be. (My expectation is that they'll be OK but not great.) They've certainly spent a great deal of time preparing the product for launch, which is an encouraging sign. They've announced April 19 as their launch day.I bought a 3G iPad 2 on the day it came out and I'm working on making it my primary mobile computer -- basically a "leave the laptop, take the iPad" project. It is going more smoothly than I thought it would. I was concerned about the lack of Flash at first, but I have been somewhat surprised to discover how little I miss it. Maybe that's just me, though.The only place that I've really run into roadblocks is in trying to wrangle files, perform basic functions like document sync and search, and making those documents available across multiple apps. I understand that Apple's position has been that the iPad is a "post-filesystem" device. But at the same time, they've gradually given developers a set of very rudimentary tools for spanning application silos. As a result, there are now a bunch of completely proprietary workarounds that will allow you to sync/transfer files only between certain groups of applications, and often only in one direction. It's a pretty big mess. I'd love to hear how y'all have worked around this problem effectively using iFiles, DropBox, ReaddleDocs, Goodreader, EverNote, or any other combination of apps and storage solutions.The big iOS 5 rumor is that Apple is building in centralized support at the operating system level for streaming and syncing from cloud-based storage. That's the right way to do it -- at the OS level -- and if done properly it should provide a solution for these issues. But it's probably about 6 months off. It could quickly make MobileMe worth buying, though.

Agree with all these issues. I was able to work around the file system stuff with Goodreader. Did the trick for me.Also agree that once I got one, I really didn't miss flash. I guess if I wanted to go find a site to try and prove that the thing sucks because it doesn't play flash, I could, but in terms of my typical use it didn't present any real issue.

 

[goonsquad]

In two years the iPad will still have its limitations but there will be tons of tablets that do not. By then the two things that will differentiate the iPad will be the Retina screen and apps, but I a lot of people will be buying alternatives.

In two years Flash will be a non-issue. One of two things will happen: 1) Adobe will continue to struggle in evolving Flash into a modern, mobile-friendly technology and Apple will continue to sell hundreds of millions of iOS devices without Flash leading to Flash's near-complete extinction. Or 2) Adobe will get their act together, realize Flash as we know it now has to dramatically change to survive in a mobile-dominated technology landscape, and will successfully retool/replace Flash. Apple will open iOS to this new Flash, eliminating a prime differentiator from their competition.

Windows 8 tablets will crush iPad sales regardless of what Apple does with Flash. The iPad will remain a nice toy but corporations and power users will want the flexibility and functionality of a Windows tablet.

I thought that the Microsoft Courier was the iPad killer?

 

[Gordo]

In two years the iPad will still have its limitations but there will be tons of tablets that do not. By then the two things that will differentiate the iPad will be the Retina screen and apps, but I a lot of people will be buying alternatives.

In two years Flash will be a non-issue. One of two things will happen: 1) Adobe will continue to struggle in evolving Flash into a modern, mobile-friendly technology and Apple will continue to sell hundreds of millions of iOS devices without Flash leading to Flash's near-complete extinction. Or 2) Adobe will get their act together, realize Flash as we know it now has to dramatically change to survive in a mobile-dominated technology landscape, and will successfully retool/replace Flash. Apple will open iOS to this new Flash, eliminating a prime differentiator from their competition.

Windows 8 tablets will crush iPad sales regardless of what Apple does with Flash. The iPad will remain a nice toy but corporations and power users will want the flexibility and functionality of a Windows tablet.

Maybe I'm just not getting it but are you suggesting that a tablet will replace a laptop or desktop PC?

No, he's just fishing.

 

[cstu]

In two years the iPad will still have its limitations but there will be tons of tablets that do not. By then the two things that will differentiate the iPad will be the Retina screen and apps, but I a lot of people will be buying alternatives.

In two years Flash will be a non-issue. One of two things will happen: 1) Adobe will continue to struggle in evolving Flash into a modern, mobile-friendly technology and Apple will continue to sell hundreds of millions of iOS devices without Flash leading to Flash's near-complete extinction. Or 2) Adobe will get their act together, realize Flash as we know it now has to dramatically change to survive in a mobile-dominated technology landscape, and will successfully retool/replace Flash. Apple will open iOS to this new Flash, eliminating a prime differentiator from their competition.

Windows 8 tablets will crush iPad sales regardless of what Apple does with Flash. The iPad will remain a nice toy but corporations and power users will want the flexibility and functionality of a Windows tablet.

Maybe I'm just not getting it but are you suggesting that a tablet will replace a laptop or desktop PC?

No, he's just fishing.

I'm not fishing. What I'm saying is that Windows 8 tablets will be the most popular tablets, not they'll replace PC's/laptops.

 

[The Commish]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

 

[cstu]

In two years the iPad will still have its limitations but there will be tons of tablets that do not. By then the two things that will differentiate the iPad will be the Retina screen and apps, but I a lot of people will be buying alternatives.

In two years Flash will be a non-issue. One of two things will happen: 1) Adobe will continue to struggle in evolving Flash into a modern, mobile-friendly technology and Apple will continue to sell hundreds of millions of iOS devices without Flash leading to Flash's near-complete extinction. Or 2) Adobe will get their act together, realize Flash as we know it now has to dramatically change to survive in a mobile-dominated technology landscape, and will successfully retool/replace Flash. Apple will open iOS to this new Flash, eliminating a prime differentiator from their competition.

Windows 8 tablets will crush iPad sales regardless of what Apple does with Flash. The iPad will remain a nice toy but corporations and power users will want the flexibility and functionality of a Windows tablet.

I thought that the Microsoft Courier was the iPad killer?

The Asus Slate is where these devices are headed. Unfortunately Windows 7 isn't quite right for a touch screen tablet and it's too expensive ($999). Windows 8 should fix the touch screen issues and the prices will come down.

 

[goonsquad]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

Nearly 200 million users is a lot of potential traffic for a commercial website to ignore. How about when iOS hits 300 million? As the user base grows larger, it becomes more difficult for a website to justify sticking with Flash vs. moving to HTML 5. Adobe is running out of time, all Jobs needs to do is keep selling product and Flash will be phased out of existence.

 

[goonsquad]

The Asus Slate is where these devices are headed. Unfortunately Windows 7 isn't quite right for a touch screen tablet and it's too expensive ($999). Windows 8 should fix the touch screen issues and the prices will come down.

"(Up to 3 Hours Battery Life)"Holy crap.

 

[Memphis Foundry]

I've been playing with iPad apps this afternoon quite a bit. I've been pretty impressed with Terra, a pretty sweet browser.

http://itunes.apple....d394704159?mt=8

Given that it's only 0.8MB in size, it's likely a shell that uses the Mobile Safari "webkit in a can" browser guts to render the pages. But it has a bunch of cool features:

[*]Visible tab bar so it feels more like a full-on web browser than Mobile Safari

[*]Extra gestures (two-finger swipe left or right to go Back or Forward in your tab history, three-finger swipe left or right to change tabs)

[*]Option to save full webpages with images intact for offline reading (like Instapaper)

[*]Option to change your browser identification (user agent string for you web geeks) to Firefox 3.6, IE 6, or Mac OS X Safari 5 so you can get around sites that force-display their mobile version on iPads

[*]Full-screen-mode toggle to hide the toolbars and use the whole screen to view pages

[*]"Incognito mode" switch to increase privacy

[*]Option to require a password in order to launch the browser if you want to lock others out

[*]Completely free, no cost to download and no in-app purchases

I'm sure it can probably cause memory issues if you load up a ton of tabs, but this is a mighty impressive start.

 

[NewlyRetired]

If I have a DVD that I want to watch on my IPAD, is there an recommended piece of sw to rip the DVD into the correct format?

And once it is in the correct format, how do I get the movie to the IPAD, is it through a sync with itunes?

 

[sho nuff]

The Asus Slate is where these devices are headed. Unfortunately Windows 7 isn't quite right for a touch screen tablet and it's too expensive ($999). Windows 8 should fix the touch screen issues and the prices will come down.

"(Up to 3 Hours Battery Life)"Holy crap.

He said its where they were heading...I don't think he meant with that crappy battery life.

 

[The Commish]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

Nearly 200 million users is a lot of potential traffic for a commercial website to ignore. How about when iOS hits 300 million? As the user base grows larger, it becomes more difficult for a website to justify sticking with Flash vs. moving to HTML 5. Adobe is running out of time, all Jobs needs to do is keep selling product and Flash will be phased out of existence.

I'd have agreed with this had he stuck to his guns and kept flash or flash apps out of his environment. I wish he had personally.

 

[goonsquad]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

Nearly 200 million users is a lot of potential traffic for a commercial website to ignore. How about when iOS hits 300 million? As the user base grows larger, it becomes more difficult for a website to justify sticking with Flash vs. moving to HTML 5. Adobe is running out of time, all Jobs needs to do is keep selling product and Flash will be phased out of existence.

I'd have agreed with this had he stuck to his guns and kept flash or flash apps out of his environment. I wish he had personally.

Again There is no Flash or Flash apps running on iOS.

 

[The Commish]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

Nearly 200 million users is a lot of potential traffic for a commercial website to ignore. How about when iOS hits 300 million? As the user base grows larger, it becomes more difficult for a website to justify sticking with Flash vs. moving to HTML 5. Adobe is running out of time, all Jobs needs to do is keep selling product and Flash will be phased out of existence.

I'd have agreed with this had he stuck to his guns and kept flash or flash apps out of his environment. I wish he had personally.

Again There is no Flash or Flash apps running on iOS.

is this your "technicality" shtick again? There are apps out there that will convert flash to html5 and are PAINFULLY slow...probably slower than flash itself. I think I'll play your "the end user doesn't know the difference, it's about overall user experience" card (from the android isn't REALLY open since the providers limit you discussions earlier) and play it here. If speed were as big an issue as you suggest, he doesn't seem to care.

 

[BroadwayG]

If I have a DVD that I want to watch on my IPAD, is there an recommended piece of sw to rip the DVD into the correct format?And once it is in the correct format, how do I get the movie to the IPAD, is it through a sync with itunes?

I used handbrake, but there are a multitude of free competent rippers. Yes, drag and drop through itunes to load it up. I've got airplay set up so I can access my entire movie library anywhere. It's nice.

 

[goonsquad]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

Nearly 200 million users is a lot of potential traffic for a commercial website to ignore. How about when iOS hits 300 million? As the user base grows larger, it becomes more difficult for a website to justify sticking with Flash vs. moving to HTML 5. Adobe is running out of time, all Jobs needs to do is keep selling product and Flash will be phased out of existence.

I'd have agreed with this had he stuck to his guns and kept flash or flash apps out of his environment. I wish he had personally.

Again There is no Flash or Flash apps running on iOS.

is this your "technicality" shtick again? There are apps out there that will convert flash to html5 and are PAINFULLY slow...probably slower than flash itself. I think I'll play your "the end user doesn't know the difference, it's about overall user experience" card (from the android isn't REALLY open since the providers limit you discussions earlier) and play it here. If speed were as big an issue as you suggest, he doesn't seem to care.

Yes it's a technicality, but it is 100% consistent with Steve's position on Flash and iOS.

 

[The Commish]

You are a true spin doctor Problem is, I can't find the article I am looking for to show you what I am talking about...I'll have to dig more later. I know that he "invited" them to come to iPhone and the conditions were basically making them rewrite everything and it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to do so. Apple did move on, and I was happy to see that because them moving on will force others to move on and flash to change in general, but lets not pretend it was a mutual decision where two groups were working together.

Whoa in no way did I say anything like that. Jobs wanted Flash on the original iPhone. But Mobile Flash sucked, was unstable, a battery drain, a resource hog and a security nightmare. Jobs gave every opportunity for Adobe to fix it, but Adobe couldn't/wouldn't do so. So Apple moved on and instead of allowing Flash to drag the experience down, he pushed others to embrace HTML 5 and H.264 to create a viable web experience without Flash. And the larger the iOS user base grows, the more marginalized Flash becomes. There will be a tipping point where the iOS audience is too big to ignore. Either Flash will be fixed and on iOS by that point or it will be dead.

So marginalized that there is an app for that??

Nearly 200 million users is a lot of potential traffic for a commercial website to ignore. How about when iOS hits 300 million? As the user base grows larger, it becomes more difficult for a website to justify sticking with Flash vs. moving to HTML 5. Adobe is running out of time, all Jobs needs to do is keep selling product and Flash will be phased out of existence.

I'd have agreed with this had he stuck to his guns and kept flash or flash apps out of his environment. I wish he had personally.

Again There is no Flash or Flash apps running on iOS.

is this your "technicality" shtick again? There are apps out there that will convert flash to html5 and are PAINFULLY slow...probably slower than flash itself. I think I'll play your "the end user doesn't know the difference, it's about overall user experience" card (from the android isn't REALLY open since the providers limit you discussions earlier) and play it here. If speed were as big an issue as you suggest, he doesn't seem to care.

Yes it's a technicality, but it is 100% consistent with Steve's position on Flash and iOS.

If you ignore reason number one (speed). That was what was always thrown out, second was security. The allowed options are just as bad if not worse performance wise. I speak of this from personal experience....the wife just got one of the new iPads for her lab and was having problems with one of her science geek websites. It uses flash. Had to download the app (I think it's the free one not sure) and it's brutal.

 

[NewlyRetired]

If I have a DVD that I want to watch on my IPAD, is there an recommended piece of sw to rip the DVD into the correct format?And once it is in the correct format, how do I get the movie to the IPAD, is it through a sync with itunes?

I used handbrake, but there are a multitude of free competent rippers. Yes, drag and drop through itunes to load it up. I've got airplay set up so I can access my entire movie library anywhere. It's nice.

Thanks!Do you recommend a specific app to use when viewing the vid on the IPAD or is there a built in app I should use?Your setup through airplay sounds great!

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just did the round trip of Apple, Best Buy, Walmart and Target and all sold out every store.

 

[BroadwayG]

Thanks!Do you recommend a specific app to use when viewing the vid on the IPAD or is there a built in app I should use?Your setup through airplay sounds great!

I don't have it in front of me but the built in ipad Movies app works fine.

 

[Mad Cow]

I am certainly a PC guy and love Windows 7. I also just got an iPad and it is a fun device, but come on people. This pissing match is ridiculous. Jobs is being a massive doosh entering into the pissing match with Adobe. He could make Flash work, but because it is all about his ego at this point, he insists to go on and draw out this battle. The iPad is a good device, but not the end all of creation as many iFBG's are insisting. Likewise, there are no other tablets out there with the capability of it at this point. No denying that. This battle is all about Jobs' ego vs Adobe, pure and simple. Why do so many of you want to invest yourself in that worthless battle?

 

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I am certainly a PC guy and love Windows 7. I also just got an iPad and it is a fun device, but come on people. This pissing match is ridiculous. Jobs is being a massive doosh entering into the pissing match with Adobe. He could make Flash work, but because it is all about his ego at this point, he insists to go on and draw out this battle. The iPad is a good device, but not the end all of creation as many iFBG's are insisting. Likewise, there are no other tablets out there with the capability of it at this point. No denying that. This battle is all about Jobs' ego vs Adobe, pure and simple. Why do so many of you want to invest yourself in that worthless battle?

WHo's insisting this? IT's a tablet computer. I don't think anyone's attempting to imply this thing is some life-changing device.

Regarding the Adobe v Jobs thing.... I tend to trust Jobs stance that Flash is a resource/battery hog and a security risk. That said, I'd like to have the option to run it if I was so inclined. The fact that I can't (without workarounds) is not a deal breaker for me though.

 

[goonsquad]

If you ignore reason number one (speed). That was what was always thrown out, second was security. The allowed options are just as bad if not worse performance wise. I speak of this from personal experience....the wife just got one of the new iPads for her lab and was having problems with one of her science geek websites. It uses flash. Had to download the app (I think it's the free one not sure) and it's brutal.

This is simply not true. Battery life, reliability, security and performance. And yes, the emulators perform slowly but that only reflects poorly on the specific app. Allowing true Flash to run across iOS would cause enormous battery drain, security holes, browser/system crashes... etc which makes all of iOS look bad.

 

[goonsquad]

I am certainly a PC guy and love Windows 7. I also just got an iPad and it is a fun device, but come on people. This pissing match is ridiculous. Jobs is being a massive doosh entering into the pissing match with Adobe. He could make Flash work, but because it is all about his ego at this point, he insists to go on and draw out this battle. The iPad is a good device, but not the end all of creation as many iFBG's are insisting. Likewise, there are no other tablets out there with the capability of it at this point. No denying that. This battle is all about Jobs' ego vs Adobe, pure and simple. Why do so many of you want to invest yourself in that worthless battle?

It's not Apple's job to make Flash work, it is Adobe's job. And they have failed so epically even Motorola decided it was better to launch the Xoom without Adobe's latest excuse for mobile Flash.Again, I do believe Adobe will get it right eventually. I think they are close with 10.2 mobile. And when Adobe finally creates a modern mobile Flash, you can thank Steve Jobs for putting the gun to Adobe's head and forcing the issue.

 

[The Commish]

If you ignore reason number one (speed). That was what was always thrown out, second was security. The allowed options are just as bad if not worse performance wise. I speak of this from personal experience....the wife just got one of the new iPads for her lab and was having problems with one of her science geek websites. It uses flash. Had to download the app (I think it's the free one not sure) and it's brutal.

This is simply not true. Battery life, reliability, security and performance. And yes, the emulators perform slowly but that only reflects poorly on the specific app. Allowing true Flash to run across iOS would cause enormous battery drain, security holes, browser/system crashes... etc which makes all of iOS look bad.

I'd probably give you a pass on this if you hadn't been on that bogus soapbox about android and how the OS is not "open" because the providers choose to limit the capability. Remember, you went on and on about the "end user perception"? His only legit argument(s) in this whole thing have been the battery life and HTML5 being the direction of the future. For him to talk about security given their current security issues and him harping on MS about the "blue screen of death" when people put hardware/software on an OS that doesn't belong makes those arguments laughable IMO.

 

[goonsquad]

If you ignore reason number one (speed). That was what was always thrown out, second was security. The allowed options are just as bad if not worse performance wise. I speak of this from personal experience....the wife just got one of the new iPads for her lab and was having problems with one of her science geek websites. It uses flash. Had to download the app (I think it's the free one not sure) and it's brutal.

This is simply not true. Battery life, reliability, security and performance. And yes, the emulators perform slowly but that only reflects poorly on the specific app. Allowing true Flash to run across iOS would cause enormous battery drain, security holes, browser/system crashes... etc which makes all of iOS look bad.

I'd probably give you a pass on this if you hadn't been on that bogus soapbox about android and how the OS is not "open" because the providers choose to limit the capability. Remember, you went on and on about the "end user perception"? His only legit argument(s) in this whole thing have been the battery life and HTML5 being the direction of the future. For him to talk about security given their current security issues and him harping on MS about the "blue screen of death" when people put hardware/software on an OS that doesn't belong makes those arguments laughable IMO.

The end user perception applies here. If one 3rd-party app runs slowly or crashes, the user thinks it's a bad app . If the phone's battery is drained or Apple's own software/browser is unreliable, slow or crashing, the user blames Apple and iOS. It's a big difference.

 

[tommyGunZ]

is this your "technicality" shtick again? There are apps out there that will convert flash to html5 and are PAINFULLY slow...probably slower than flash itself. I think I'll play your "the end user doesn't know the difference, it's about overall user experience" card (from the android isn't REALLY open since the providers limit you discussions earlier) and play it here. If speed were as big an issue as you suggest, he doesn't seem to care.

This can't be true. Newly Retired assured me that he could go from the "Flash doesn't work" page in Safari to the video open and ready to run in an app in 3 seconds. I've come to the conclusion that my browsing habits are just very different than most of the folks in this thread who claim to never come across sites that need flash. I was watching The Daily Show last night, and Stewart mentioned that the interview was cut short for TV, and you could watch the full interview online. I was using the iPad (my wife was playing poker on my Asus b/c it's not available for the iPad), and of course the Daily Show video required flash. I'm shuked at how many of you never come across flash when surfing the net. I guess I'm just the oddball.

 

[The Commish]

is this your "technicality" shtick again? There are apps out there that will convert flash to html5 and are PAINFULLY slow...probably slower than flash itself. I think I'll play your "the end user doesn't know the difference, it's about overall user experience" card (from the android isn't REALLY open since the providers limit you discussions earlier) and play it here. If speed were as big an issue as you suggest, he doesn't seem to care.

This can't be true. Newly Retired assured me that he could go from the "Flash doesn't work" page in Safari to the video open and ready to run in an app in 3 seconds. I've come to the conclusion that my browsing habits are just very different than most of the folks in this thread who claim to never come across sites that need flash. I was watching The Daily Show last night, and Stewart mentioned that the interview was cut short for TV, and you could watch the full interview online. I was using the iPad (my wife was playing poker on my Asus b/c it's not available for the iPad), and of course the Daily Show video required flash. I'm shuked at how many of you never come across flash when surfing the net. I guess I'm just the oddball.

Try it I don't have the thing in front of me and forget the app name. Fully acknowledge that the pages she goes to could have problems also. With the way things are architected, I don't see any way it's NOT slow. I've advised my wife to just stay away from the sites while on the thing. One of them she can't do that though.

 

[NewlyRetired]

OK I ordered online via Apple. Now I just need to wait out the 4 weeks. Gives me plenty of time to find a case I guess