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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Why am I not surprised that you bolded all that statement, but didn't bold it?
The Commish
Footballguy
There are dozens of articles like this one that can be quoted. While it does have this quote (and most of them do) to support goon's sentiment can we all agree it's not first and foremost for him?
I agree with this comment, though if someone from MS tried this, they'd be laughed at pretty hard:
This sentiment is found in most of the articles:
And I agree with this also, and it's exactly why I have issue with the "flash apps" being allowed at all. The ones I have seen are third party layers the user goes to (whether they know it or not), but they convert things to html5 there, so in his mind it must be "different"
I agree with this comment, though if someone from MS tried this, they'd be laughed at pretty hard:
This sentiment is found in most of the articles:
And I agree with this also, and it's exactly why I have issue with the "flash apps" being allowed at all. The ones I have seen are third party layers the user goes to (whether they know it or not), but they convert things to html5 there, so in his mind it must be "different"
goonsquad
Think different.
You're misunderstanding that quote. It has nothing to do with running the Flash Player on iOS devices. He is discussing the decision to not allow Flash (the full development app) to be used as an iOS app development tool. Adobe implemented a function called 'Flash Packager' within Flash Pro CS5 that allowed developers to compile their Flash projects directly to iOS, creating an alternative to using the iOS SDK. Apple blocked this move because they didn't want Adobe to be middleware that slowed developers from integrating new features of the SDK.
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Flash is definitely a big problem, but it's probably about #3 on my list of gripes.
#1 - Why did apple forsake the concept of a filesystem? Sharing files between apps is a serious pain due to this. You can use stuff like drop box if the app(s) actually support that, but if not you're kind of SOL. Saving things and then putting them back to a windows file share is problematic due to this as well. I can get them off with File Browser. But getting them back after you edited with Quick Office or something means I have to save to my drop box, go into the drop box app, and tell it to copy it back to File Browser. It's really pretty horrible.
#2 - The apps on this thing kind of blow. For all the talk of flash being some gigantic security hole, Apple doesn't seem to have a problem with apps like Quick Office which shared out my files for the world on the default installation. With no security whatsoever. Just use your browser to hit port 4242, you can download any file you please and even modify and upload back if you like. Just the ones in the app itself mind you, because of problem #1. There's an option for authentication, but it's disabled by default. I got a sling DVR from Dish Network, and the ipad/iphone/ipod app for this completely suck. On my PC or the Droid I can actually do things like skip forward. I do this on the ipad app and it freezes the thing and then confuses my box. Just exiting a video can do that at times. It's not perfect on these other platforms, but it's not virtually worthless like the Apple versions. You can blame app developers for this if you like, but the fact that it works on other things makes it seem like Apple really limits what a developer can actually do.
#3 - No flash - that sucks.
I'm sure I can come up with more, like the Wifi settings completely sucking if you are using a network without a broadcast SSID. They're the only ones on the planet that seem to think it's a good idea not to cache this information in case you connect to another network and want to come back. But overall this is my list of biggest gripes after playing with it for a few weeks.
#1 - Why did apple forsake the concept of a filesystem? Sharing files between apps is a serious pain due to this. You can use stuff like drop box if the app(s) actually support that, but if not you're kind of SOL. Saving things and then putting them back to a windows file share is problematic due to this as well. I can get them off with File Browser. But getting them back after you edited with Quick Office or something means I have to save to my drop box, go into the drop box app, and tell it to copy it back to File Browser. It's really pretty horrible.
#2 - The apps on this thing kind of blow. For all the talk of flash being some gigantic security hole, Apple doesn't seem to have a problem with apps like Quick Office which shared out my files for the world on the default installation. With no security whatsoever. Just use your browser to hit port 4242, you can download any file you please and even modify and upload back if you like. Just the ones in the app itself mind you, because of problem #1. There's an option for authentication, but it's disabled by default. I got a sling DVR from Dish Network, and the ipad/iphone/ipod app for this completely suck. On my PC or the Droid I can actually do things like skip forward. I do this on the ipad app and it freezes the thing and then confuses my box. Just exiting a video can do that at times. It's not perfect on these other platforms, but it's not virtually worthless like the Apple versions. You can blame app developers for this if you like, but the fact that it works on other things makes it seem like Apple really limits what a developer can actually do.
#3 - No flash - that sucks.
I'm sure I can come up with more, like the Wifi settings completely sucking if you are using a network without a broadcast SSID. They're the only ones on the planet that seem to think it's a good idea not to cache this information in case you connect to another network and want to come back. But overall this is my list of biggest gripes after playing with it for a few weeks.
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Mr. Ected
Footballguy
The thing that I am missing is the ability to have "users." When my kids are using the iPad, I'd like to be able to have a user of their own that has different apps and cannot make any real adjustments to it.
goonsquad
Think different.
Apple is trying to introduce a new way of thinking and approaching computing. The driving vision behind the iPad is to "remove the computer" from between the user and the experience. Through touch you interact directly with the content; the hardware is supposed to be invisible. To that end, Apple re-imagined how the user deals with their documents, eliminating confusing file paths from user view.Here is an article that attempts to explain Apple's approach and may help shed a little light on the problem.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Got my two smart covers today, but the IPAD 2 won't arrive until April 26th. Kind of stinks getting those and then not having anything you can do with it. It is like getting the keys to a car and the car won't be here for a month.... 
Yeah, I understand what they're theoretically trying to do, but this makes working with files between different apps about the hugest pain in the butt imaginable. Mostly because of #2 - you're relying on the apps developers to create some way to share things between the apps and most of these apps are designed poorly. This isn't a problem if you consider it a viewing only device. But if you ask it to do anything more, it creates a significant hassle. They've basically "removed the computer" from the computer. Might as well call it a glorified web browser. That can't actually browse everything on the web because it doesn't have flash.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Sorry, it still needs Flash.
Realistically too, they haven't "removed the computer" from anything since you still require one to get the vast majority of your stuff done. Even the scenarios they're playing out in that article are relying heavily on a computer. You can present it as a share on your wifi network and drop files to it, or you can sync them with Itunes. So it's more like an accessory to your existing computer rather than taking it out of the end user experience in any way. One that's painful to do anything with by itself.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Gotta say as cool as the iPad seems, it doesn't seem to be more than an accessory or toy right now. I think I'll be waiting for a tablet for another year at least unless there's a gamechanging breakthrough by apple or android.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I am getting mine around the same time.I liked the smart covers but I was a bit concerned about the back getting scratched so I went with a more traditional folio. Considering that I can't be separated from my touch, I can't wait for the IPAD 2 to get here.Why did you end up getting 2 covers? Are you getting 2 Ipads?Got my two smart covers today, but the IPAD 2 won't arrive until April 26th. Kind of stinks getting those and then not having anything you can do with it. It is like getting the keys to a car and the car won't be here for a month....
The Commish
Footballguy
We are going to have to agree to disagree. Given all his comments (not just basing my opinion on this one particular article) in all those articles (including the ones on apple.com) there is NO WAY anyone else would come away with what you just presented above. In all those articles, it's clear that he doesn't like flash and doesn't want it on his platform. Again, a perfectly acceptable position to take. He's gotten heat for it though, backtracked a bit and said that if Adobe does X, Y and Z he'd be "happy" to put it on, knowing that X, Y and Z are not going to happen. Not sure what's so bad about that though that you feel the need to spin and spin. Doesn't make sense to me, unless you feel there is something wrong with his position or what he's done.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I accidently ordered two covers when I was putting in my order on-line from Apple (IPAD 2 for my wife). When I went to change it, Apple said it was completely their fault that I can't tell the difference between a 1 and a 2 and agreed to send me both covers and refunded the costs for both. Two covers for free!! (but they are bright pinkI am getting mine around the same time.I liked the smart covers but I was a bit concerned about the back getting scratched so I went with a more traditional folio. Considering that I can't be separated from my touch, I can't wait for the IPAD 2 to get here.Why did you end up getting 2 covers? Are you getting 2 Ipads?Got my two smart covers today, but the IPAD 2 won't arrive until April 26th. Kind of stinks getting those and then not having anything you can do with it. It is like getting the keys to a car and the car won't be here for a month....
) I am wondering if I could take one of them to the Apple store and see if I could exchange it for an HDMI adaptor. It is either that or EBAY.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
I accidently ordered two covers when I was putting in my order on-line from Apple (IPAD 2 for my wife). When I went to change it, Apple said it was completely their fault that I can't tell the difference between a 1 and a 2 and agreed to send me both covers and refunded the costs for both. Two covers for free!! (but they are bright pinkI am getting mine around the same time.I liked the smart covers but I was a bit concerned about the back getting scratched so I went with a more traditional folio.Got my two smart covers today, but the IPAD 2 won't arrive until April 26th. Kind of stinks getting those and then not having anything you can do with it. It is like getting the keys to a car and the car won't be here for a month....
Considering that I can't be separated from my touch, I can't wait for the IPAD 2 to get here.
Why did you end up getting 2 covers? Are you getting 2 Ipads?
I'm sure you could exchange them in-store.![[icon]](/data/avatars/m/5/5167.jpg?1660313464){kind=avatar}
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Insoxicated
MATH FAIL
http://mashable.com/2011/03/30/dell-ipad-enteprise/
iPad Way Too Expensive For Enterprise
A senior Dell executive says Apple’s iPad is not fit for enterprise customers because of its high price (when you account for peripherals), and will eventually be outpaced by Android tablets.
“Apple is great if you’ve got a lot of money and live on an island. It’s not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex,” Andy Lark, Dell’s global head of marketing for large enterprises and public organisations, said to CIO Australia.
As a company that plans to build tablets based on Android and WP7, it’s understandable that Dell is bearish on Apple’s iPad. Unfortunately, Lark chooses to back his claims with an example that simply doesn’t add up.
“An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you’ll be at $1,500 or $1,600; that’s double of what you’re paying. That’s not feasible,” says Lark.
The cheapest iPad 2 model costs $499. A dock is $29, and a wireless keyboard is $69. Case options abound and range from $20 to $100, with Apple’s Smart Cover starting at $39. The iPad doesn’t natively support a mouse (you can use a hack on a jailbroken iPad to use a Bluetooth mouse with a device, though), but even if it did, you can get a decent wireless mouse for $20.
Add all that up, and you’re nowhere near Lark’s figures, even if you go with the most expensive iPad model which costs $829. It’s fine to believe in the success of Android, but if you’re going to dismiss the iPad, using bogus numbers simply won’t convince anyone.
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WTF is this guy talking about and how did he get to be a Sr Level Marketing Executive. Does he even see how these things are being used in the field? Seems he has a pretty poor understanding of his competitor...
http://mashable.com/2011/03/30/dell-ipad-enteprise/
iPad Way Too Expensive For Enterprise
A senior Dell executive says Apple’s iPad is not fit for enterprise customers because of its high price (when you account for peripherals), and will eventually be outpaced by Android tablets.
“Apple is great if you’ve got a lot of money and live on an island. It’s not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex,” Andy Lark, Dell’s global head of marketing for large enterprises and public organisations, said to CIO Australia.
As a company that plans to build tablets based on Android and WP7, it’s understandable that Dell is bearish on Apple’s iPad. Unfortunately, Lark chooses to back his claims with an example that simply doesn’t add up.
“An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you’ll be at $1,500 or $1,600; that’s double of what you’re paying. That’s not feasible,” says Lark.
The cheapest iPad 2 model costs $499. A dock is $29, and a wireless keyboard is $69. Case options abound and range from $20 to $100, with Apple’s Smart Cover starting at $39. The iPad doesn’t natively support a mouse (you can use a hack on a jailbroken iPad to use a Bluetooth mouse with a device, though), but even if it did, you can get a decent wireless mouse for $20.
Add all that up, and you’re nowhere near Lark’s figures, even if you go with the most expensive iPad model which costs $829. It’s fine to believe in the success of Android, but if you’re going to dismiss the iPad, using bogus numbers simply won’t convince anyone.
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WTF is this guy talking about and how did he get to be a Sr Level Marketing Executive. Does he even see how these things are being used in the field? Seems he has a pretty poor understanding of his competitor...
goonsquad
Think different.
I am not spinning here. I am stating a FACT, with 100% certainty, that the specific quote above was made in the context of allowing Flash as development tool to create iOS apps. This happened when Apple updated their TOS a few days before Adobe launched Flash Pro CS5 with the Flash Packager for iOS module. There is no agreeing to disagree on this. Look it up. And yes, I agree that he doesn't like Flash and doesn't want it on iOS. I am not arguing that.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think he's talking about the claim that they can be used in place of laptops in the work place. Some of the "magical" folks have gone down that road, though Jobs has called them idiots and that wasn't their intention. He's challenging that particular suggestion and he's right, though I think even addressing it is a waste of time since that's not what the intent of the machine is. If he were to address this at all, there are several other things he should probably address first and I agree that he doesn't know his competitor if he's getting sucked into this
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Insoxicated
I agree 100% that iPads are by no means suitable as laptop replacements for most enterprise office workers.... however I don't know that is what he was saying here (I may have missed it). I guess you're referring to the "Diverse, Open, Enterprise" comment though EMC and several other enterprise software companies are developing for the iPad now so I'm not sure how valid that is. Regardless. it's absurd that he's got the $1500-1600 price-point in his mind and that price is the topic on which he's chosen to put stakes in the ground and do battle.I think he's talking about the claim that they can be used in place of laptops in the work place. Some of the "magical" folks have gone down that road, though Jobs has called them idiots and that wasn't their intention. He's challenging that particular suggestion and he's right, though I think even addressing it is a waste of time since that's not what the intent of the machine is. If he were to address this at all, there are several other things he should probably address first and I agree that he doesn't know his competitor if he's getting sucked into this
Also... coming out with the assertion that at some point a Free OS distributed on what will amount to be thousands of different devices will at some point overtake an OS distributed on one product by one manufacturer) isn't exactly running out onto a limb here. Just struck my funny bone i guess... back to the Flash slapfight folks! 
The Commish
Footballguy
So we are suppose to get from this that he doesn't want to have to rely on Adobe's development suite for creating the apps? Ok.....next dumb question. Apple supports java script right? They have to rely on the java compilers don't they? What is the distinction he's trying to make that this would be a different kind of dependency? Does Apple have it's own suite of compilers that folks have to use?
The Commish
Footballguy
Just a guess on my part....could also be the guys in the Apple store too...who knows. I had one trying to convince me that with a docking station and monitor (didn't really need a mouse and keyboard according to him) I could replace my work PC with it. You just have to ignore that kind of stuff and move on.....much like this guy. A set up like he's describing costs us about $1200 with PC, mouse, keyboard, monitor and doc. Apple's never been "cheap"...doesn't seem that outlandish to me. Quick glance at the apple store and the cheapest monitor I saw was a refurb 20 inch for $500.I agree 100% that iPads are by no means suitable as laptop replacements for most enterprise office workers.... however I don't know that is what he was saying here (I may have missed it). I guess you're referring to the "Diverse, Open, Enterprise" comment though EMC and several other enterprise software companies are developing for the iPad now so I'm not sure how valid that is. Regardless. it's absurd that he's got the $1500-1600 price-point in his mind and that price is the topic on which he's chosen to put stakes in the ground and do battle.I think he's talking about the claim that they can be used in place of laptops in the work place. Some of the "magical" folks have gone down that road, though Jobs has called them idiots and that wasn't their intention. He's challenging that particular suggestion and he's right, though I think even addressing it is a waste of time since that's not what the intent of the machine is. If he were to address this at all, there are several other things he should probably address first and I agree that he doesn't know his competitor if he's getting sucked into this
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Insoxicated
He said "add a keyboard, mouse, and a case and you're at 1,500-1600"Certainly adding a monitor would bring it close to that range but he's talking about maybe $100-150 in accessories hereJust a guess on my part....could also be the guys in the Apple store too...who knows. I had one trying to convince me that with a docking station and monitor (didn't really need a mouse and keyboard according to him) I could replace my work PC with it. You just have to ignore that kind of stuff and move on.....much like this guy. A set up like he's describing costs us about $1200 with PC, mouse, keyboard, monitor and doc. Apple's never been "cheap"...doesn't seem that outlandish to me. Quick glance at the apple store and the cheapest monitor I saw was a refurb 20 inch for $500.I agree 100% that iPads are by no means suitable as laptop replacements for most enterprise office workers.... however I don't know that is what he was saying here (I may have missed it). I guess you're referring to the "Diverse, Open, Enterprise" comment though EMC and several other enterprise software companies are developing for the iPad now so I'm not sure how valid that is. Regardless. it's absurd that he's got the $1500-1600 price-point in his mind and that price is the topic on which he's chosen to put stakes in the ground and do battle.I think he's talking about the claim that they can be used in place of laptops in the work place. Some of the "magical" folks have gone down that road, though Jobs has called them idiots and that wasn't their intention. He's challenging that particular suggestion and he's right, though I think even addressing it is a waste of time since that's not what the intent of the machine is. If he were to address this at all, there are several other things he should probably address first and I agree that he doesn't know his competitor if he's getting sucked into this
Anyways... I agree that some of the apple store employees can get a bit overzealous. I tend to "self-serve" when I'm in my local one as I typically know considerably more about their products than they do. (genius bar guys aside... they're generally pretty good).
The Commish
Footballguy
How do you do this? At ours, they make you sign a sheet and "wait" for help. I've said no thanks before and then told it was required.He said "add a keyboard, mouse, and a case and you're at 1,500-1600"Certainly adding a monitor would bring it close to that range but he's talking about maybe $100-150 in accessories hereJust a guess on my part....could also be the guys in the Apple store too...who knows. I had one trying to convince me that with a docking station and monitor (didn't really need a mouse and keyboard according to him) I could replace my work PC with it. You just have to ignore that kind of stuff and move on.....much like this guy. A set up like he's describing costs us about $1200 with PC, mouse, keyboard, monitor and doc. Apple's never been "cheap"...doesn't seem that outlandish to me. Quick glance at the apple store and the cheapest monitor I saw was a refurb 20 inch for $500.I agree 100% that iPads are by no means suitable as laptop replacements for most enterprise office workers.... however I don't know that is what he was saying here (I may have missed it). I guess you're referring to the "Diverse, Open, Enterprise" comment though EMC and several other enterprise software companies are developing for the iPad now so I'm not sure how valid that is. Regardless. it's absurd that he's got the $1500-1600 price-point in his mind and that price is the topic on which he's chosen to put stakes in the ground and do battle.I think he's talking about the claim that they can be used in place of laptops in the work place. Some of the "magical" folks have gone down that road, though Jobs has called them idiots and that wasn't their intention. He's challenging that particular suggestion and he's right, though I think even addressing it is a waste of time since that's not what the intent of the machine is. If he were to address this at all, there are several other things he should probably address first and I agree that he doesn't know his competitor if he's getting sucked into this
Also... coming out with the assertion that at some point a Free OS distributed on what will amount to be thousands of different devices will at some point overtake an OS distributed on one product by one manufacturer) isn't exactly running out onto a limb here.
Just struck my funny bone i guess... back to the Flash slapfight folks!
Anyways... I agree that some of the apple store employees can get a bit overzealous. I tend to "self-serve" when I'm in my local one as I typically know considerably more about their products than they do. (genius bar guys aside... they're generally pretty good).
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Insoxicated
You have to sign in for everything? Or just genius bar? The location I use (saddle creek, germantown, tn) typically has 8 regular employees roaming the floor willing to help with machines, accessories, etc). I ignore them and help myself to any items I need.
The genius bar guys (usually 3-4 of them) sit in back and you have a "waiting list" for those guys. Typically they suggest making appointments. That said, I'll usually just walk up and ask one of them if I have a question about something as 80% of the folks walking the floor don't know an MiniDV port from an HDMI port.
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gmbacm
Footballguy
Im in the same boat. I love the ipad - but it still sucks for some browsing. The third party apps that play flash are painful and dont always work well. Not annpying enough that I would stop using it all together - but annoying all the same.This can't be true. Newly Retired assured me that he could go from the "Flash doesn't work" page in Safari to the video open and ready to run in an app in 3 seconds. I've come to the conclusion that my browsing habits are just very different than most of the folks in this thread who claim to never come across sites that need flash. I was watching The Daily Show last night, and Stewart mentioned that the interview was cut short for TV, and you could watch the full interview online. I was using the iPad (my wife was playing poker on my Asus b/c it's not available for the iPad), and of course the Daily Show video required flash. I'm shuked at how many of you never come across flash when surfing the net. I guess I'm just the oddball.
The Commish
Footballguy
They met me at the door and told me to sign in before they even knew what I was there for. I did it once. Now my wife goes. All I wanted was a case for an ipod and I was walking by the store. Got it at Target.
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Insoxicated
Oof.. yeah that would have me turning around back out the door as well. First I've heard of that policy.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I have been to two Apple stores this week and neither of them did this sign up thing. Just plenty of floor help (I counted 15 people in Apple shirts in a relatively small store) and they let people wander and play with the items and waited for people to ask them any questions.
The Commish
Footballguy
Hell, I dunno....it's in a "snobby" mall. Maybe something happened with a customer. The store is always packed and a line out the door. Doesn't matter new release of something or just regular day.
kip stabone
Footballguy
Just bought an iPad2 at Walmart for my mom. Anybody know if she can take classes at the Apple store even though the computer was purchased elsewhere? Thanks.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Radio Shack is now carrying the iPad 2. 500 stores across the US received the first shipments a couple of days ago.
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One
Not Allowed In Mexico
With the number of units they're moving, it's about time I add "Magical" to my own work repertoire.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Love it...would love it even more if the wifi was strong enough to go through more than 2 walls/40 feet away from router. My 7 year old laptop gets 4x stronger wifi signal.
shamrock84
Footballguy
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
goonsquad
Think different.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Uh, no, it's a stupid marketing idea. And I'm not an Apple hater, I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro.
goonsquad
Think different.
Relax, GB. It's was a great reply. Give shamrock credit where credit is due.Uh, no, it's a stupid marketing idea. And I'm not an Apple hater, I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Just picked up my IPAD2 today so I can go ahead and cancel my apple order.
So far so good in setting it up. Still need to add all the apps I had on my touch and then hopefully start looking for some new ipad type apps.
I surfed a bit and it was great. Zero issues with any flash content so far (watched numerous vids from multiple sites). Iswifter is working great as people had told me. What a sweet little app.
Still having some problems with ESPN3. It is not flash related, it appears to be isp service provider related. Not sure what I am doing wrong there as every other computer in my house can see espn3.com with out being asked about a provider.
Anyone use ESPN3.com with the IPAD?
So far so good in setting it up. Still need to add all the apps I had on my touch and then hopefully start looking for some new ipad type apps.
I surfed a bit and it was great. Zero issues with any flash content so far (watched numerous vids from multiple sites). Iswifter is working great as people had told me. What a sweet little app.
Still having some problems with ESPN3. It is not flash related, it appears to be isp service provider related. Not sure what I am doing wrong there as every other computer in my house can see espn3.com with out being asked about a provider.
Anyone use ESPN3.com with the IPAD?
Instinctive
Footballguy
Does anybody know the viability of using an iPad as all my textbooks?
I've tried to find a lot of the eBook prices and so far it doesn't look like it would save any money...but if somebody has actually tried with an iPad or looked through the iBooks store, that would be really helpful.
I've tried to find a lot of the eBook prices and so far it doesn't look like it would save any money...but if somebody has actually tried with an iPad or looked through the iBooks store, that would be really helpful.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Ok I fixed my issue with logging into my ISP for espn3.com. Still having no problems with any flash content.'NewlyRetired said:
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
I'm sure it's been said before but make sure the apps are "iPad size" before buying them (unless you really want them). It's kind of annoying to have the big iPad screen but the app is the size of the iPhone.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
When I look in the app store the apps are split into two groups, iPad and iPhone. Would one ever have a problem choosing from the iPad group?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
Might be a little young, but my kids are great at using mine (4, 7, 8) in some cases almost too good.
And if you think about the potential savings in paper products that the school would have, they would eat into the cost of the iPad significantly, especially if that "class" kept it from year to year so that they can grow with them and continue to reap savings on paper.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Theoretically I agree, but with the pace of technology how many years are they going to want or be able to stick with one device before upgrading?Might be a little young, but my kids are great at using mine (4, 7, 8) in some cases almost too good.
bmetz
Footballguy
If you're viewing "Flash" on a website on your iPad... you're not viewing Flash. The website is serving up the video content via another method because they've detected that you're viewing their site via a device that does not support Flash.
My 5 yo uses mine quite a bit. Some games, some educational stuff - math, spelling type stuff. The ipad is almost second nature to her - she knows how to navigate around to find the apps she wants, and then how to use those apps.In the case, I have no problem with her carrying it around the house - it is pretty sturdy.
