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Iran Launches "Large Scale Attack" on Israel (?) (2 Viewers)
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McBokonon
Footballguy
Seems a little more legit than the last one. Here's the Agenda Free Tv link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejtBgQX3aec
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TennesseeJed
Footballguy
Iran seems to say they are done, unless Israel responds.
This will happen
Max Power
Footballguy
Israel has been vocal that they will retaliate for any attack.
Israel is done with being threatened and attacked. They will do the same thing to Iran that they are doing to Hamas and Hezbollah.
Sand
Footballguy
I suspect Iran may see a bit less oil exports going forward.
It will be interesting to see. Over recent history the US has enriched Iran and supported their buildup, if indirectly. It's likely that the US will call for peace and Israel will ignore that - as they have been lately.
Capella
Footballguy
They can run this many wars at once?
Sand
Footballguy
It's been going since roughly 635 when the first Caliphate conquered Jerusalem.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Obviously Israel is not going to let it go this time. Nor should they. This is a very good opportunity for Israel to destroy or set back Iran's nuclear program, which is something that they were probably looking for an excuse to do anyway.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yes, easily.
Hamas isn't really a fighting force at this point. I'm sure they'll remain active as a guerilla organization for a while, but it's not as if they threaten Israel in any way.
Hezbollah has no ability to do anything right now.
Iran's military is not in the same class as Israels. I don't think they have any ability to get planes into Israeli airspace, and a ground attack is completely out of the question.
Capella
Footballguy
Thanks
Ridgeback
Footballguy
As long as we're supporting them, sure.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I knew NATO had expanded, but I didn't realize it had gone that far.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Gah...
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
Kind of begs the question that if Israel is no longer being threatened by Hamas and Hezbollah - why to they continue to attack?
It seems like this will do more long-term harm, than short-term good - and, at this point, its mostly (but not all) innocent civilians who are suffering the consequences.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
We have been dragged in this for about a year. Ok, "dragged" isn't the right word
whoknew
Footballguy
I write this without trying to start a fight - but Iran is apparently done with its retaliation and Israel said it doesn't know of any fatalities. It seems, therefore, that this was kind of a performative attack by Iran to save face.
As a result, what's the appropriate response by Israel? I hope something equally performative.
Obviously if there is more damage than appears and people have died, that would change things.
As a result, what's the appropriate response by Israel? I hope something equally performative.
Obviously if there is more damage than appears and people have died, that would change things.
3C's
Footballguy
They are
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
They're not threatened by Hezbollah because of the attacks that Iran is now retaliating for.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The appropriate response is a sustained air campaign to take out as many Iranian nuclear and ballistic missile facilities as possible. That's probably what Israel wanted to do in the first place, and I'm sure they have detailed plans in place for exactly this sort of campaign.
It's nice that Iran thinks it's done retaliating, but you don't launch hundreds of ballistic missiles at another country's capital unless you expect an open war. They'll probably get exactly that, is my guess.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The first attack was clearly performative, I'm not sure about this one. Last time they used some slow drones that were easy to shoot down. This time ballistic missiles. Seems like they were actually trying to get some through this time.
whoknew
Footballguy
Got it. Thank you. That makes sense.
Sand
Footballguy
I'll guess ports and pipelines.
Max Power
Footballguy
Israel is going to do what they want to do, but they are going to try to drag the US along. We support their defense and their fight against terrorism. If they go full on offensive attacks, I don't know what the US does at that point. We have a very weird relationship with Iran.
Instinctive
Footballguy
We should let them all fight each other and we should sell 90s/00s era military stuff to both and make a ton of money.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Sure, till someone launches a nuke or worldwide energy markets get permanently disrupted.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Agreed. It's always "someone else's problem" until oil prices skyrocket.
Sand
Footballguy
At least in the case of Iran we just send them planeloads of cash.
massraider
Footballguy
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Channel 4 UK. There's back to back interviews with an Israeli and Iranian, and it's pretty telling as to what they think is going to happen.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
I think Iran went too far this time, and they are about to find out.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Israeli Ambassador just responded to USA leaderships response to recent attacks. Dude. Was. Not. Happy. I agree. I say this with 3 combat ribbons. I feel it gives me some latitude. Who the hell do we think we are? It's mind boggling. They are at war, yet we continue to feed the press this idea that we have the correct path they should take. It's so arrogant. Imagine after 9/11, while we are responding, if Turkey is like, "Well, you need to cease fire and be respectful." It's laughable. All my opinion of course
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HellToupee
Footballguy
As long as Israel doesn’t hit the oil I think things will be ok. There are gas line videos on Twitter from Tehran so if they are real they think that might happen
massraider
Footballguy
Yep.
Far from the first time we have done this sort of thing. This is just such a messy situation to be doing that sort of thing.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Not the same- Turkey wasn't supplying a large portion of the munitions and equipment to the US to fight that war. Imo that matters and we should be able to tell them wtf to do with them and that they should not escalate.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yes. We are in a very interesting relationship with Israel. I get it. Not JUST supplying them with "large portion of munitions " like you said. That's almost secondary, We have countless military research contracts we partner in. They are our ally. 100%. Having said that, it goes both ways. Does this allow Israel to dictate our foreign policy?
Not directed at you. At all. My last comment on topic. One day I'll learn.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Just like we tell Ukraine not to use US donated munitions to strike Moscow.
To be fair, I don't think the US should be "giving" Israel arms. They can pay for them if they want to buy from the suppliers and we allow export.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
I can't tell if this is serious or not.
The US has a vested interest in containing a volatile situation. We have some leverage over Israel given the amount of aid, financial and militarily, that we provide. Leadership requires that someone lead.
Israel are at war by their own choice - there have been several off-ramps to deescalate. Israel has chosen to push forward - as is their prerogative. We still need to bring pressure to bear on all sides - and we apply pressure to Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah by our continued support of Israel - to bring this matter to a conclusion that everyone can live with.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Not sure where the bolded is coming from.
I guess I don't feel that it is secondary in this situation - 0% Israel could be doing the things they are doing without our supplies on a large scale. Now, if it's our official relationship that we supply these countries with tons of supplies and they can do with it whatever they want with them, then that is one thing, but that is not the case. If they can't take on Iran without us, then 100% we should have a bit of say in how it is done (if at all) and when.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, kind of like that, which they are now trying to do with rockets that have longer and longer ranges. At the end of the day this stuff makes waaaaay too much money for people so we are always going to be in this situation, and it's one of my least favorite things we do as a country.
mr. furley
Footballguy
huh
interesting what gets left up and what gets taken down
interesting what gets left up and what gets taken down
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Posts getting deleted?
wait what now
mr. furley
Footballguy
not that i'm aware of. not in this thread, but i just read the last page so, maybe?
apparently this thread does not meet the criteria for topics we aren't allowed to talk about.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Got it, sorry. You meant this thread vs others that have gotten axed?
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