IRS Apologizes For Targeting Conservative Political Groups In 2012 Ele (1 Viewer)

[drummer]

At least he has a sense of humor over this.

HE ISN'T GETTIN UPSET NOW.

 

[timschochet]

See how it's done tim?

Don't bring me into this. I make arguments. Some of them are very controversial. But I don't go around deliberately insulting people. That's your shtick, not mine.

 

[drummer]

See how it's done tim?

Don't bring me into this. I make arguments. Some of them are very controversial. But I don't go around deliberately insulting people. That's your shtick, not mine.

Well, you're not doing a very good job of making the argument. Because the argument really lies upon "**** Cheney for a Better America", the use of PACs, the money behind them, and quite possibly the abuse of the tax system when it comes to their application.

Consider the fact that conservatives are complaining over one abuse over the other, one of which is more explotative of conservatives, such as these so called PACs who are:

1 - raising money for who really knows what, and uses known keywords that help in a Google search that maybe help them with things such as AdSense.

2 - applying for a tax expemption where the money may or may not go directly to a politicians campaign, yet either or feels the need for one.

3 - the actual legitimacy of the PAC.

4 - the tax exempt money going to a politician, where I would guess the politician would not want to claim themselves.

Of course, if this were solely on the Liberal side of it all, conservatives would cry foul, and this thread only going 6 pages.

You see, I squeezed a few more out of this by presenting this. I am basically questioning their core ideals. Instead, they go after the lazy Obama hate rhetoric.

BTW, I never insulted anybody here who didn't insult me first, and even then, you'll find more insults towards me than I present them. Because I don't have to. I just present the argument.

 

[tommyboy]

are you off your meds?

I think he is. He's basically responding to his own posts.

More evidence on how confused Max really is.

ETA: by indirectly responding to my posts, he is actually responding to them.

That should take him a few hours to figure out.

i'm guessing he has you on ignore and doesn't see your posts unless someone else quotes them

 

[drummer]

are you off your meds?

I think he is. He's basically responding to his own posts.

More evidence on how confused Max really is.

ETA: by indirectly responding to my posts, he is actually responding to them.

That should take him a few hours to figure out.

i'm guessing he has you on ignore and doesn't see your posts unless someone else quotes them

Yeah, you guessed wrong. He really does get that confused.

 

[drummer]

Just to bump this before I get another beer:

What if say some college students over at Cal were behind say that "**** Cheney" PAC, and just by using the keywords "Patriot" (and just how did that word become a 'conservative' keyword in itself?) and "Tea party" were able to gain a tax exemption and raise funds, even though it could be a bogus conservative PAC and website?

Would you say it was kosher that the site and PAC wasn't investigated? What if all kinds of bogus PACs like that popped up that had nothing to do with being conservative, rather just piggyback on the conservative movement during an election cycle, and were ultimatley fraudulent?

Whose fault would that be?

 

[Drunken Poster]

I'm here for my drummer insult. :coversface:

 

[drummer]

I'm here for my drummer insult. :coversface:

Drunken Poster is alright.

 

[crystal]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[rockaction]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, because generally if you run into the middle of room, waving your arms, screaming and urinating and defecating, you tend to dominate that room.

Good point.

 

[drummer]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, because generally if you run into the middle of room, waving your arms, screaming and urinating and defecating, you tend to dominate that room.

Good point.

When rocknoaction has a point, it still won't be a worthy as Max's.

That's not good.

 

[drummer]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

It basically comes down to who they want to rip them off first:

The fake PACs

or

Who defines them as conservatives.

I'd love to call them all Patriots, and would if I stood to make a few $$ out of it. Why not join The Party? It's that easy to make a buck off of them.

 

[crystal]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, because generally if you run into the middle of room, waving your arms, screaming and urinating and defecating, you tend to dominate that room.

Good point.

drummer's goal, obviously, was to ruin the thread.

Not only has that been accomplished, but he got the rest of you to do much of the heavy lifting. You just can't help yourselves.

 

[rockaction]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, because generally if you run into the middle of room, waving your arms, screaming and urinating and defecating, you tend to dominate that room.

Good point.

drummer's goal, obviously, was to ruin the thread.

Not only has that been accomplished, but he got the rest of you to do much of the heavy lifting. You just can't help yourselves.

Perhaps. My opinion was that he was going to ruin it whether there were contributors or not.

Watched it all day and in other threads for a while now.

I know not to wrestle with the pig, but it was going to happen regardless. It's bad faith posting.

 

[drummer]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, because generally if you run into the middle of room, waving your arms, screaming and urinating and defecating, you tend to dominate that room.

Good point.

drummer's goal, obviously, was to ruin the thread.

Not only has that been accomplished, but he got the rest of you to do much of the heavy lifting. You just can't help yourselves.

Perhaps. My opinion was that he was going to ruin it whether there were contributors or not.

Watched it all day and in other threads for a while now.

I know not to wrestle with the pig, but it was going to happen regardless. It's bad faith posting.

To ruin this thread means to question the motivations within it.

So if I did that, then this thread is on you, not me.

Yeah, it was that easy to do that if I can do it, then this thread isn't worth anything. Right?

 

[drummer]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, because generally if you run into the middle of room, waving your arms, screaming and urinating and defecating, you tend to dominate that room.

Good point.

drummer's goal, obviously, was to ruin the thread.

Not only has that been accomplished, but he got the rest of you to do much of the heavy lifting. You just can't help yourselves.

I'm just either taking out or adding phallic symbolism that has guys in here rubbing one out. You decide that one.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Uhhhh....

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_politics/2014/07/federal_judge_orders_irs_to_explain_lost_lois_lerner_emails

Federal judge orders IRS to explain lost Lois Lerner emailsWASHINGTON — A federal judge today ordered the IRS to explain under oath how it lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency's tea party controversy.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave the tax agency a month to submit the explanation in writing. Sullivan said he is also appointing a federal magistrate to see whether the lost emails can be obtained from other sources.

Sullivan issued the order as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group. He said the IRS declaration must be signed, under oath, by the appropriate IRS official.

"I'm going to hold tight to that Aug. 10 declaration," Sullivan said.

....

Lerner warned IRS workers about 'what we say in e-mails'

WASHINGTON — Former IRS official Lois Lerner cautioned her colleagues last year to be careful about what they put in e-mails because Congress might request them, according to newly disclosed e-mails.

Lerner, the official at the center of investigations into IRS targeting of political groups, also went so far as to ask an information technology staffer whether internal instant messages could be searched and retrieved in response to a congressional request. When the employee informed her that those messages were not automatically saved, Lerner responded with a one-word e-mail: "Perfect."

Lerner's caution about e-mail came in April 2013, two weeks after Treasury inspectors delivered a draft report finding that the IRS used inappropriate criteria to screen applications for tax exemptions by Tea Party groups. She has since resigned, and the Republican-led House of Representatives has held her in contempt for refusing to fully testify about the IRS handling of conservative groups.

...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/09/irs-lois-lerner-emails-be-careful-what-we-say/12424787/

The first federal judge is having the IRS employees testify under oath.

There's a second federal judge also involved:

This week, we learn that a second Federal Judge, U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton, has ordered the IRS to appear in his court on the following day, July 11, to explain why the agency should not be required to let an outside expert evaluate the equipment and the situation under which Lerner’s emails were “lost.”

The goal of both hearings is to determine whether emails on the computer hard drives of former IRS official Lois Lerner and of her co-workers who also lost years worth of documents and evidence in what is being billed as a “hard drive crash,” are really beyond retrieval as the agency recently claimed in a Congressional hearing on the matter.

...

http://usfinancepost.com/irs-investigation-reaches-critical-mass-as-two-federal-judges-hold-hearings-on-missing-evidence-20760.html#RYpjVV3K9X7lA8pq.99

Just thought I'd repost where this stands. Two federal judges calling for testimony under oath from managers and IT people and a possible forensice inspection, and Lerner telling her people to be careful what they say. It might take a month but these things are underway and these judges seem to be on it.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

 

[Rayderr]

drummer 127

Bottomfeeder Sports 90

rockaction 70

SaintsInDome2006 69

Carolina Hustler 63

MaxThreshold 62

timschochet 59

BigSteelThrill 44

wdcrob 36

Sand 34

pittstownkiller 34

If you're posting more than twice as much as Tim in a thread, you got issues.

 

[ichris]

Guess drummer wants to bait people and divert the conversation from the scandal. Elijah Cummings approves.

 

[tommyboy]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

 

[jon_mx]

I'm here for my drummer insult. :coversface:

Drunken Poster is alright.

Pretty lame insult.

 

[jonessed]

drummer 127

Bottomfeeder Sports 90

rockaction 70

SaintsInDome2006 69

Carolina Hustler 63

MaxThreshold 62

timschochet 59

BigSteelThrill 44

wdcrob 36

Sand 34

pittstownkiller 34

If you're posting more than twice as much as Tim in a thread, you got issues.

 

[Sand]

drummer 127

Bottomfeeder Sports 90

rockaction 70

SaintsInDome2006 69

Carolina Hustler 63

MaxThreshold 62

timschochet 59

BigSteelThrill 44

wdcrob 36

Sand 34

pittstownkiller 34

If you're posting more than twice as much as Tim in a thread, you got issues.

Hey - I'm in the running!

 

[Loan Sharks]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

It's like a zombie movie, there are just so many mindless shuffling Drummer posts you can't possibly hope to stop them all.

 

[MaxThreshold]

drummer is dominating this thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

It's like a zombie movie, there are just so many mindless shuffling Drummer posts you can't possibly hope to stop them all.

Exactly. We still have no idea what he's try to say. If his posts actually had a voice, they would sound like this.

 

[drummer]

Jeebus, look at this ####### thread. I've read better smack on a Seahawks board.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

Yur dang right he would be.

 

[drummer]

Where are the conservatives in this thread? All we have are tommyboy and Max. Max is on loan from Stormfront.

TIA

 

[drummer]

Guess drummer wants to bait people and divert the conversation from the scandal. Elijah Cummings approves.

• Location:Rams fan in Seattle

oof

 

[Hang 10]

Is there anyone who doesn't have drummer on ignore at this point?

 

[drummer]

Is there anyone who doesn't have drummer on ignore at this point?

LOOK AT ME! I JUST POSTED THAT I HAVE DRUMMER ON IGNORE! WHY DON'T YOU DO THE SAME??

 

[drummer]

Seriously, you people make :e: board look better each post.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

I think the mismanagement that happened within the IRS is serious. I think that is all getting lost on the silly attempts to find a grand conspiracy. Has anything changed at all since we realized that it was Republican in the Cincinnati office that created the cheat sheet that started this mess?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

Yur dang right he would be.

Which would be nothing like what happened here.

 

[drummer]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

I think the mismanagement that happened within the IRS is serious. I think that is all getting lost on the silly attempts to find a grand conspiracy. Has anything changed at all since we realized that it was Republican in the Cincinnati office that created the cheat sheet that started this mess?

None of this has stopped PACs from making boat loads of $$$, especially on the conservative side.

This is all about $$ people, nothing more.

 

[drummer]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

Yur dang right he would be.

Which would be nothing like what happened here.

I'm not the one who started the thread. Some people really needs to get clues here.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

Yur dang right he would be.

Which would be nothing like what happened here..

Debunked

Even debunked by the IRS.

 

[drummer]

So did that include "**** Cheney for a Better America"?

I find it great that conservatives love to get ripped off. I find it even more funny that they think only they can game the system too.

 

[drummer]

Examples of questions from the IRSSome flagged organizations were required to provide further documentation that Rep. Bill Flores called "overreaching and impossible to comply with".[61] Documentation requested varied among different groups but, in some cases, included copies of "any contracts" or "training material" the groups may have exchanged with Koch foundations.[62] Some organizations were asked what books their members were reading, as well as what they had posted on social networking websites, according to Politico.[63] Organizations were informed that if they did not provide the information sought, they would not be certified as tax-exempt.

Another question asked of some unidentified applicants was:

Provide the following information for the income you received and raised for the years from inception to the present. Also, provide the same information for the income you expect to receive and raise for 2012, 2013, and 2014.

a. Donations, contributions, and grant income for each year, which includes the following information:

1. The names of the donors, contributors, and grantors. If the donor, contributor, or grantor has run or will run for a public office, identify the office. If not, please confirm by answering this question "No".
2. The amounts of each of the donations, contributions, and grants and the dates you received them.
3. How did you use these donations, contributions, and grants? Provide the details.

If you did not receive or do not expect to receive any donation, contribution, and grant income, please confirm by answering "None received" and/or "None expected".[19]

The Tennessee organization Linchpins of Liberty, which mentored high school and college students, was asked the following:

23. Has any person or organization provided educational services to you? If yes, provide the following: a) The name of the person or organization. b) A full description of the services provided. c) The political affiliation of the person or organization. 24. Provide all details regarding training you have provided or will provide. Indicate who has received or will receive the training and provide copies of the training material.[64]Another unidentified applicant was asked to "Please provide copies of all your current web pages, including your Blog posts. Please provide copies of all of your newsletters, bulletins, flyers, newsletters or any other media or literature you have disseminated to your members or others. Please provide copies of stories and articles that have been published about you."[65]

The Coalition for Life of Iowa, a pro-life group, was asked to "Please explain how all of your activities, including the prayer meetings held outside of Planned Parenthood are considered educational as defined under 501©(3). Organizations exempt under 501©(3) may present opinions with scientific or medical facts. Please explain in detail the activities at these prayer meetings. Also, please provide the percentage of time your group spends on prayer groups as compared with other activities of the organization."[66] While questioning then-Acting Commissioner of the IRS, Steven T. Miller, on May 17, 2013, Congressman Aaron Schock (R-IL), referring to a report[67] by the conservative, non-profit law firm, the Thomas More Society, misquoted one of the questions asked of the coalition as "please detail the content of the members of your organization's prayers." Schock went on to ask, "Would that be an inappropriate question to a 501©(3) applicant? The content of one's prayers?" Miller replied, "It pains me to say I can't speak to that one either." Upon further questioning by Schock, Miller stated that it would "surprise him" if that question were asked.[68] Schock's characterization of the question was included in news reports[66][68] and was repeated by conservative commentators.[69][70]

Nonprofit organizations dedicated to social welfare are not required to apply for IRS certification in order to operate under Section 501©(4) tax exemption rules.[19][20] However, being certified by the IRS can help organizations attract more donations and provide some protection against further scrutiny.[21]

In 2013, examples of 501©(4) groups included Organizing for Action, organized to promote President Obama's legislative priorities,[22] and the conservative advocacy organization Crossroads GPS, founded in part by Karl Rove.[23][Note 1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_controversy

Kinda helps here.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

Yur dang right he would be.

Which would be nothing like what happened here..

Debunked

Even debunked by the IRS.

Amazing how both your links were published prior to Maurile's. The Moonies' article a year prior.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Is there anyone who doesn't have drummer on ignore at this point?

LOOK AT ME! I JUST POSTED THAT I HAVE DRUMMER ON IGNORE! WHY DON'T YOU DO THE SAME??

Meds....take your meds.

 

[drummer]

Is there anyone who doesn't have drummer on ignore at this point?

LOOK AT ME! I JUST POSTED THAT I HAVE DRUMMER ON IGNORE! WHY DON'T YOU DO THE SAME??

Meds....take your meds.

Quick, someone look up beib's posts. I'm too busy to right now.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Is there anyone who doesn't have drummer on ignore at this point?

LOOK AT ME! I JUST POSTED THAT I HAVE DRUMMER ON IGNORE! WHY DON'T YOU DO THE SAME??

Meds....take your meds.

Quick, someone look up beib's posts. I'm too busy to right now.

you drinking and off your meds is priceless.

 

[drummer]

MEDS MEDS MEDS,

Sincerely,

Brawl Hall circa 1999

 

[drummer]

If you guys are gonna run smack, cut biebs off you team. He is really horrid at it.

TIA

 

[BeaverCleaver]

If you guys are gonna run smack, cut biebs off you team. He is really horrid at it.

TIA

No smack here....just at you. You are a great fish that needs meds and drinks....you bite at anything.

 

[drummer]

If you guys are gonna run smack, cut biebs off you team. He is really horrid at it.

TIA

No smack here....just at you. You are a great fish that needs meds and drinks....you bite at anything.

So there is one more post with meds in it.

Sheesh, some here think they have it all.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think the last couple of pages perfectly sum up the seriousness of this scandal.

I have a feeling you'd think it was serious if the scandal involved the IRS going after nothing but liberal PACS over a period of 4 years.

Yur dang right he would be.

Which would be nothing like what happened here..

Debunked

Even debunked by the IRS.

Amazing how both your links were published prior to Maurile's. The Moonies' article a year prior.

Whoever submit's last wins? Is that your argument?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

If you guys are gonna run smack, cut biebs off you team. He is really horrid at it.

TIA

No smack here....just at you. You are a great fish that needs meds and drinks....you bite at anything.

So there is one more post with meds in it.

Sheesh, some here think they have it all.

It's so easy.