Uncle Pete
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Uncle Pete
Footballguy
I am sure he does have family members with drug addictions and that doesn't help him stop the addiction (assuming he still has one) but having the pipe or whatever in his personal vehicle, which is HIS PROPERTY... makes him liable. Period.
Uncle Pete
Footballguy
I cant even look at Irvin as a respectable person right now. He did a good thing not dismissing it on national tv but c'mon...
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
what did he say?. meant to tune in but didn't realize 7"30 had come and gone.
So having a pipe, yet no actual drugs, on his property makes him liable? Are we debating liability issues? Please visit this thread. Wal-Mart Sued
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newteech
Footballguy
He said the pipe belonged to a friend who had visited his house on Thanksgiving. Irvin supposedly "patted down" his friend upon his arrival -- that's when he found the pipe. Not wanting to throw the pipe away for fear of the neighbors... also definitely didnt want to bring it in the house with the kids....So, Irvin puts it his car and forgets about it.
Are you buying any of this?
Uncle Pete
Footballguy
We are talking about an object within one's realm of personal property... not an incident which takes place on a private property owned by a mass corporation. Look back at a pretty famous court case in the 60's during the Berger Supreme Court Era. He is liable for it. Just like if you get pulled over, your friend is in the vehicle with you, your friend has a dime bag of weed on him, while in your vehicle, you are liable. Study law and get the grasp. With all due respect to you pointing out the Wal-Mart case with in my opinion, an ##### doing something absurd... Irvin is liable for his "friends" pipe. Period.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
of course - I always pat down my friends when they visit for thanksgiving dinner.see I only invite my most gangsta friends to share that holiday with my children and my parents, and I gotta pat them down or they might get ome of my family members wet and that's a real bummer.
Hate disposing of family members' bodies on a holiday - really killed the X-mas mood when I had to do it back in 2001 - so I make sure to pat down all my guests when they arrive.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
thx, newteech. i don't know if i am buying it, but he has been falsely accused before..a few years ago some women made claims about thinhs going on in his house that did not happen (forget the details. and, whether or not he is legally liable, IF his story is true, it doesn't seem like grounds for firing. Sorry if I sound like an Irvin apologist, I really don't eveen like hum...
I'm probably in the minority here.Personally I was glad to see ESPN confront this issue and I think Irvin showed some class to face the music. I'm not 100% sure I believe him, but I don't think I really care. He is a bit erractic and eccentric to listen to and his suit jackets are WAY too long, but I don't mind the content of his football analysis.
njxbean
Footballguy
Maybe im the only one. But i believe him. And feel bad for him. I know the feeling of having friends that are into bad stuff. But they are your friends and you continually try to help them. Untill its proven otherwise, i will believe that hes innocent. As i do anyone who is charged with something.
packersfan
Footballguy
Are his neighbors the kind of folks who like to rummage through his garbage looking for crack pipes? Nice neighborhood he must live in.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I only half believe him - I believe he knew someone left the pipe in his car and he forgot about it.The rest of the details in which he tries to absolve himself of ALL responsibility? Not so much.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Let me ask you, if he said he wants to do whatever it takes to clear his name, why in the hell didn't he just go take a drug test? Forget the damn talk to my lawyer crap, just take the damn drug test. You know why he didn't? Because he is probably guilty as hell and would test positive.
packersfan
Footballguy
It helps when you've had plenty of practice talking about your connection to drug use in the past.
packersfan
Footballguy
Remind me sometime to tell you guys about the time I saw Irvin in Hawaii with three gorgeous women on his arm -- none of whom was his wife. Depending on how you feel about fidelity and/or being around hot women will determine whether that makes you think of Irvin in a higher light or not.
Uncle Pete
Footballguy
Legally, we must all believe him because he is innocent until proven guilty, but that only goes so far. I believe him but have some personal doubts that any of us will never know.As for Yao...
There are different types of liability, 1) Strict Liability, 2) Limited Liability, and 3) Limited Liability Partnership. Strict Liability is liability imposed without regard to fault. Limited Liability is a liability that is limited by statutes or laws, which does not apply to this situation. Limited Liability also applies to treaties. Limited Liability Partnership doesn't really fit this picture if you understand what I am saying.
Take that in and let me know what you know about the legalities of a situation like this.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Much better.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
He addressed this on ESPN Radio when talking to Dan Patrick. He said people have gone through his garbage before. He IS a celebrity and those types of things do happen.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
most definitely.and not even neighbors - paparazzi does that a LOT.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
also, cops don't need a warrant to search your garbage. If you are Mike Irvin, you do NOT throw a crack pipe into your garbage.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
this is the only way they coukd have him on the show, esp since it just broke last night. i would not be giving them credit for this -- pretty obvious it had to be done. that's why i had planned to tune in at 7:30 - knew something would be said.ESPN taking the subject head on says a ton about the network. He would have been pulled and banned from most others before Monday AM.
packersfan
Footballguy
Fair enough. But if it were me -- and especially if I was someone with a drug-filled past like Michael Irvin -- it'd be pretty damn difficult for me to just "forget" there was a crack pipe in my car -- especially if he's worried about people rummaging through his property.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
impossible to "forget" you put a crack pipe in the car - easy to put it somewhere safe from plain virew from cops and then forget it was there a couple days later.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
no it doesn't.I am not subjkected to a drug test just b/c the cops say I am guilty of something. if the cops suspected him of being on drugs, they'd have drug tested him.
Have you ever heard of the 4th and 5th amendments? Are they just words to you? You obvioiusly also believe in guilt before innocence.
This is not "liberal BS" - this is about being an American.
packersfan
Footballguy
Sorry Marc, but that doesn't pass the common sense test for me. Are you telling me that if someone came to your house and had a crack pipe on them you would just happen to forget all about it -- even a few days later? That'd be ALL I could think about and I'm not Michael Irvin with a well-documented connection to drugs in the past and someone -- according to Irvin -- who fears that his neighbors are the type of people to plant drug paraphenilia on his property or go searching through his garbage looking for said drug items.Given all that, it seems to me something like a crack pipe showing up at the front door wouldn't be so easy to forget about.
abe froman
Footballguy
I hate this idiot even more than Shannon Sharpe. Definately cant take the ghetto out of the man..hows that saying go..??
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I don't believe his story - I believe it was his pipe or it was a friend's pipe and it was used in his car - it was then placed in a "safe" place. Irvin, as he drops off his crack pipe sharing friend: "hey, you get that thing" crack head: ummm, yeah I think so" Irvin: "Ok, good night - next time you buy"Then it is forgotten.
Irvin knew a pipe was placed in his car somewhere - it was then forgotten.
Uncle Pete
Footballguy
How does it go?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
not the same analogy - criminal charges and pre-job screening are different animals.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
BTW, taking adrug test admits that you are suspected of drug use - you do NOT consent to a drug test unless you are required to in order to get something else - there is no benefoit to Irvin taking a drug test. Esp. if he still smokes weed.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I just don't see how you can forget you have a crack pipe in your car or that a crack pipe at one time was in your car if you are not someone who uses a crack pipe. I'm no saint, but if you show up at my place with a crack pipe I'm not going to forget about that anytime soon and I sure as hell am going to make sure I know where it is when you leave and that it isn't connected to me in any way possible. What does make sense is that Irvin uses said pipe or other crack pipes in his car frequently and/or has others use them in his car frequently and it becomes so commonplace that he never thinks twice about it. To me, that makes a helluva lot more sense than an innocent man just happen to forget an illegal drug-related item was in his car. But that's me.
Chitown Mole
Footballguy
This ranks right up there with "the dog ate my homework", and "No mama, that's my friends sack, I swear".
Uncle Pete
Footballguy
Where is the response from his friend in all of this????
