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Is a Cold Weather Super Bowl a Bad Idea? (1 Viewer)

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Did a search, so apologies if it is a honda.

Seems like the NFL is moving towards awarding the 2014 SB to the new Giants/Jets stadium.

Is this a bad idea? I am surprised by the number of commentators, and talking heads that are pretty much against it.

NFL Live guys talking about it and a column by John Clayton

Clayton later appeared on the Football Today podcast, giving his personal opinion, starting around the 7:18 spot.

Philly writer thinks it's a great idea

Tampa writer, not so much

Is it that important to make sure that teams aren't affected by the weather?

 
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It can be pretty cold in Dallas in early February as well. Definitely more about comfort level in the weeks prior to the game than concern about the quality of the game itself.

 
It can be pretty cold in Dallas in early February as well. Definitely more about comfort level in the weeks prior to the game than concern about the quality of the game itself.
You know, I was surprised at the NFL commentators that brought up how it would affect the game. People are voicing the concern that it'll slow down offenses.
 
It can be pretty cold in Dallas in early February as well. Definitely more about comfort level in the weeks prior to the game than concern about the quality of the game itself.
You know, I was surprised at the NFL commentators that brought up how it would affect the game. People are voicing the concern that it'll slow down offenses.
Good.I know scoring points and high flying offenses are appealing to the casual fan but hardcore football fans, which I assume we all are, can appreciate all facets of the game and know that a 10-7 game can be a much better football game than a 45-38 game.

 
It can be pretty cold in Dallas in early February as well. Definitely more about comfort level in the weeks prior to the game than concern about the quality of the game itself.
You know, I was surprised at the NFL commentators that brought up how it would affect the game. People are voicing the concern that it'll slow down offenses.
Good.I know scoring points and high flying offenses are appealing to the casual fan but hardcore football fans, which I assume we all are, can appreciate all facets of the game and know that a 10-7 game can be a much better football game than a 45-38 game.
This is where I am at. And teams can score well in cold weather as well. Also, this is New Jersey, not North Dakota.

 
I thought NY was given a choice, if they wanted an SB they would of had to put a dome up and NY declined.

I doubt you'll ever see it happen in a cold city, people are paying thousands of dollars and the last thing they want to do is freeze their butts off for that amount of cash. I think it takes away from the game to have its biggest event played in a dome 95% of the time and the other 5% warm weather but money rules the world.

Just please don't move it to Japan or outside the usa like they been talking about.

 
The Colts-Dolphins Super Bowl was pretty ugly -- there's risk just about anywhere outdoors.

I would think the media would be excited for a game in the NYC area; maybe it's not as good as Miami or NO but better than a lot of recent cities.

I think one cold-weather Super Bowl is hardly something to get worked up over. I suspect ticket prices would be insane, as lots of NY $$ would be coming in to want to buy the once in a lifetime NY Super Bowl.

 
The Colts-Dolphins Super Bowl was pretty ugly -- there's risk just about anywhere outdoors.I would think the media would be excited for a game in the NYC area; maybe it's not as good as Miami or NO but better than a lot of recent cities.I think one cold-weather Super Bowl is hardly something to get worked up over. I suspect ticket prices would be insane, as lots of NY $$ would be coming in to want to buy the once in a lifetime NY Super Bowl.
What about Colts - Bears about 3 yrs ago... that was bad
 
The Colts-Dolphins Super Bowl was pretty ugly -- there's risk just about anywhere outdoors.I would think the media would be excited for a game in the NYC area; maybe it's not as good as Miami or NO but better than a lot of recent cities.I think one cold-weather Super Bowl is hardly something to get worked up over. I suspect ticket prices would be insane, as lots of NY $$ would be coming in to want to buy the once in a lifetime NY Super Bowl.
What about Colts - Bears about 3 yrs ago... that was bad
Yeah, that's what I meant. Colts-Bears in Miami, not Colts-Dolphins.
 
I thought NY was given a choice, if they wanted an SB they would of had to put a dome up and NY declined.I doubt you'll ever see it happen in a cold city, people are paying thousands of dollars and the last thing they want to do is freeze their butts off for that amount of cash.
So what? They'll go to the game. Who cares if some Budweiser executives are a little uncomfortable?Now, I get that the ticket holders to this game would rather be warm, but they don't get a say. Who is going to speak for them? You think the NFL thinks they can't sell the game out?The guy from Tampa is crying because he thinks the fix is in. Tampa hosted the 2009 game, I think, has hosted four, and wants another one. This seems like a pretty major advantage for Tampa, just because the weather is nice.
 
I can't believe the NFL can get away with rigging the Super Bowl by making it exclusively warm weathered. It is very unfair in certain matchups. Neutral site my ###.

 
I find it pathetic how much the media will rail against it simply because they'd rather get a free trip to Miami/SD/NO in January than a free trip to New York.

Let's break it down:

For media members and celebrities and executives who don't care about football: Miami > New York

For the other 300 million people who watch the SB: no difference.

 
Obviously the super bowl is more like an exhibition game with starters. It's no longer for determining a champion. It's purely for the entertainment factor and storyline as well as the revenue it can generate. It's all for show.

Not to mention some teams build to play in their cold weather home cities and some have high flying speed built teams because they have a dome or live in a warm city. Why do you think Arizona even kept it close vs Pitt? Put them on a bad surface in the snow and I'm not sure Arizona is within 14.

 
I find it pathetic how much the media will rail against it simply because they'd rather get a free trip to Miami/SD/NO in January than a free trip to New York.Let's break it down:For media members and celebrities and executives who don't care about football: Miami > New YorkFor the other 300 million people who watch the SB: no difference.
Man, a little snow in the Super Bowl would be great. Soooo many classic playoff games take place in the elements. If the NFL is fine with games as important as playoff games being outside, then it should be fine for the Super Bowl as well. I don't know if anyone listened to the podcast clip above, but Clayton says, "If you are coming from San Diego to see the Chargers in the Super Bowl, you think they will know how to dress for the game? Of course not..." :shrug:
 
I think it should rotate alphabetically (by city) through all of the teams. Any team that "moved" the franchise to another city or changed its name to another city would automatically be moved to the end of the list, no matter the letter it now begins with.

It adds an element of geographic and climatic fairness to the process, as well as randomness and predictability. It would also punish teams like the Colts for putting everything in a bag and walking out on a city.

 
Obviously the super bowl is more like an exhibition game with starters. It's no longer for determining a champion. It's purely for the entertainment factor and storyline as well as the revenue it can generate. It's all for show. Not to mention some teams build to play in their cold weather home cities and some have high flying speed built teams because they have a dome or live in a warm city. Why do you think Arizona even kept it close vs Pitt? Put them on a bad surface in the snow and I'm not sure Arizona is within 14.
Why is it more fair to put a cold weather running team in a dome vs. a dome team then?
 
Obviously the super bowl is more like an exhibition game with starters. It's no longer for determining a champion. It's purely for the entertainment factor and storyline as well as the revenue it can generate. It's all for show. Not to mention some teams build to play in their cold weather home cities and some have high flying speed built teams because they have a dome or live in a warm city. Why do you think Arizona even kept it close vs Pitt? Put them on a bad surface in the snow and I'm not sure Arizona is within 14.
Why is it more fair to put a cold weather running team in a dome vs. a dome team then?
It isn't. But it should never always be one and not the other. Switching it up would make more random and even.
 
The airport situation would be a wreck with delays and cancelled flights.
I looked into it, turns out flights land in New York every February.
So, in New York City, flights are never delayed or cancelled in the month of February where the average high is 32 degrees?
So, in NYC every flight is canceled or delayed? (see how easy it is to make stuff up?)I don't think bringing up flights being delayed is relevant unless you think it's a reason to not have the game there. New York has a few other pro teams that play games in Dec-Jan-Feb, and everyone seems to make it there on time. And with the Super Bowl, it'll be easier than say, a basketball game, because there is two weeks after the title games to get to town. How many people will be arriving in town for that game on Saturday?
 
As a fan of the NFL living in Canada, I have to laugh at all of the excuses that come up for not having the Superbowl in a cold weather city.

If the game should be played in a place so that the weather doesn't affect the game, then why bother having any playoff games in any of the cold weather cities? If the weather wasn't a part of the game, we'd be watching the Arena League.

If its because the media and corporate types don't want to sit out in the cold of NY/Philly/Chicago, so be it, let the fans of the teams in those cities buy those tickets, they're accustomed to cold weather games and I'm sure they'd love to watch the Superbowl in their stadiums regardless of the weather.

 
The average fan would prefer to see a high scoring game. Advantage warm city/dome

The average player would prefer to play in nice weather. Advantage warm city/dome

The average fan going to the game would prefer to sit in nice weather. Advantage warm city/dome

The average fan going to the game would prefer traveling from out of town to be painless.. Advantage warm city/dome

I know scoring points and high flying offenses are appealing to the casual fan but hardcore football fans, which I assume we all are, can appreciate all facets of the game and know that a 10-7 game can be a much better football game than a 45-38 game.
Advantage NYCTo be clear I would prefer to see a SB played in heavy snow or rain, but I don't think it'll happen because of the reasons listed above.

 
So, in NYC every flight is canceled or delayed? (see how easy it is to make stuff up?)
Check it out. I'm not predicting the weather. Odds are logistics will be a pain for those traveling to NYC in the month of February. It could be a bright and sunny day in the big apple. That's more likely to be the case in New Orleans though. Just throwing something to the list of cons. Pretty basic stuff.
 
The average fan would prefer to see a high scoring game. Advantage warm city/dome

The average player would prefer to play in nice weather. Advantage warm city/dome

The average fan going to the game would prefer to sit in nice weather. Advantage warm city/dome

The average fan going to the game would prefer traveling from out of town to be painless.. Advantage warm city/dome

I know scoring points and high flying offenses are appealing to the casual fan but hardcore football fans, which I assume we all are, can appreciate all facets of the game and know that a 10-7 game can be a much better football game than a 45-38 game.
Advantage NYCTo be clear I would prefer to see a SB played in heavy snow or rain, but I don't think it'll happen because of the reasons listed above.
It's going to happen in less than 4 years. And none of those reasons are a reason to never hold a Super Bowl in a cold weather game, and the NFL is realizing that. Teams get a new stadium, and the NFL puts a Super Bowl there. A team that plays in a city where the game might be below 72 degrees, they shouldn't get the next Super Bowl handed to them.

The Super Bowl is so massive now, to think that cold weather is going to dissuade anyone is absurd. They will fill that stadium with people that will be happy to be there. Players would prefer warm weather? How could that possibly matter?

What about rain, since you brought it up? Would anyone prefer to play in rain, or sit in the rain to watch a game? What if it happens? In Tampa?!?! Should we go exclusively to domes?

 
So, in NYC every flight is canceled or delayed? (see how easy it is to make stuff up?)
Check it out. I'm not predicting the weather. Odds are logistics will be a pain for those traveling to NYC in the month of February. It could be a bright and sunny day in the big apple. That's more likely to be the case in New Orleans though. Just throwing something to the list of cons. Pretty basic stuff.
It wasn't my contention that flights never get delayed. You put words in my mouth. I would love it if I could ignore every post that began with the word 'So'. It is a clear signal that a complete twisting of someone's words is about to follow.It was, until recently, your only addition to the list of cons. And I explained why I didn't think it was a big deal. Other pro sporting events, with much less of a travel window, happen every winter. How do they manage it.

It's on the list of cons, fine. But really, is it even remotely a big deal?

 
The airport situation would be a wreck with delays and cancelled flights.
I looked into it, turns out flights land in New York every February.
So, in New York City, flights are never delayed or cancelled in the month of February where the average high is 32 degrees?NYC is brutal in January and February. It makes sense to play in a warm city or under a dome.
The airports don't have domes.
 
Someone fill me in on how playing in a 70 degree air conditioned building is an advantage to any team no matter where they are from. Thats like saying a fishing boat that sails in a still calm sea has an advantage over a captain that is good enough to sail through a hurricane. I don't really care where the superbowl is played but the people crying that there even is such a thing as a 'warm weather' team advantage are pretty loopy. Its not like they go play in a 120 degree stadium in the Sahara.

 
Someone fill me in on how playing in a 70 degree air conditioned building is an advantage to any team no matter where they are from. Thats like saying a fishing boat that sails in a still calm sea has an advantage over a captain that is good enough to sail through a hurricane. I don't really care where the superbowl is played but the people crying that there even is such a thing as a 'warm weather' team advantage are pretty loopy. Its not like they go play in a 120 degree stadium in the Sahara.
do you not get that dome teams build their teams around that dome, all kinds of timing routes, quick shifty receivers etc on offense, a huge emphasis on speed over size on defense for a lot of them. you could look at the numerous threads and articles on the "dome effect".
 
Super Bowl in NYC is a no-brainer. Supposing I had 50K to drop on an event, I'm all in for NYC. Buffalo, not so much.

As for the game itself, it's great!

 
The Colts-Dolphins Super Bowl was pretty ugly -- there's risk just about anywhere outdoors.

I would think the media would be excited for a game in the NYC area; maybe it's not as good as Miami or NO but better than a lot of recent cities.

I think one cold-weather Super Bowl is hardly something to get worked up over. I suspect ticket prices would be insane, as lots of NY $$ would be coming in to want to buy the once in a lifetime NY Super Bowl.
NHL fans are ga-ga over the Winter Classic..they LOVE it.I'm betting NFL fans would leave a NY SB saying 'wow,that was GREAT!'.I highly doubt a NY SB would ever be a once-in-a-lifetime deal, if it ever happens, it'll forever be on the short list of SB host cities

as a fan, who in their right mind wants to go to Indy to see a SB? What is there to do in Indianapolis?? same with

Minnesota ( beautiful place,but getting to and tailgating at a game in Minny is hard on the fans..)

Who wants to go to Detroit for a SB??

not saying NY is the best place on earth,but it's 100 times better than Detroit,Indy,Minny, Jacksonville in terms of things to do away from the game for the fans that arrive and stay for the two weeks prior to the Big Game..

NY is also the media capital of the world, something Detroit,Indy,Minny cannot say, something sponsors love about the NY area..

I'd much rather see a SB played in Soldier Field in Chicago than some of these other boring cities...

as for the game, isn't football a cold weather game? isn't it supposed to be played in freezing temps?

if not, the why aren't NCAA and NFL games played in June and July?

indoor football is too sanitized

 
Someone fill me in on how playing in a 70 degree air conditioned building is an advantage to any team no matter where they are from. Thats like saying a fishing boat that sails in a still calm sea has an advantage over a captain that is good enough to sail through a hurricane. I don't really care where the superbowl is played but the people crying that there even is such a thing as a 'warm weather' team advantage are pretty loopy. Its not like they go play in a 120 degree stadium in the Sahara.
do you not get that dome teams build their teams around that dome, all kinds of timing routes, quick shifty receivers etc on offense, a huge emphasis on speed over size on defense for a lot of them. you could look at the numerous threads and articles on the "dome effect".
and how many dome teams have won the Super Bowl in the last 30 years? Hell how many supposed 'warm weather' teams have won in the last 30 years?
 
I agree the Paris Hiltons of the world need to be accomodated by having the Superbowl parties in Cities they are willing to visit. Afterall, is it not folks like her who built the game into what it is today? Here's my plan. For the Glitteratti they hold the Superbowl week parties in the same old Cities. Hell, if they want to they can even have "Official" events in Paris, Rome and Tokyo. The jetsetters can rub elbows with themselves, some corporate types, and NFL players looking to live large.

Meanwhile the game could be treated like what it is, a game. It could be played at classic venues in classic football towns. Real fans could fill the seats and the real revenue from the game, the T.V. revenue, would still exist or might even go up. Snow always adds an element to games and often turns good games into classics with unforgettable visual moments.

 
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I'd absolutely LOVE to see this happen. Why should the Super Bowl always be played in warm weather or indoors when the rest of the season isn't that way? As long as both teams are playing on the same field, what's the advantage to anyone?

There is never a shortage of fans at cold-weather playoff games, so why would the Super Bowl be any different? Besides, it would be great if less celebs went to the game - freeing up tickets for real football fans.

Thinking more about it, why not just rotate the game through every NFL city? Imagine a Super Bowl in Lambeau?

 
I don't mind some elements in a football, but I like them best when they are random events. The famous fog game for instance. A SB in late Jan/early Feb in NY would be freezing cold with the possibility of tons of snow. Hockey is winter sport NOT Football...imo. The winner of the SB would likely be the team which could best deal with the COLD weather....not necessarily the best team. I understand the reverse arguement exists.....but it's different at least to me.

 
...Teams get a new stadium, and the NFL puts a Super Bowl there. ...
Except this isn't true. NY might get a Super Bowl for building a new stadium, but its not like other cities (some even south of NY) haven't been flat out told no, new stadiums or not the past decade or so since the building frenzy that resulted from the Browns move. I think cities where there is chance of cold weather should be allowed to compete equally for the Super Bowl, but other than NY there is no evidence it would really be happening.
 
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San Diego needs to get their #### in gear and build out a new stadium. Suprised they havent toyed with the idea of having it in Carson CA at the Home depot center.

 
I am from NJ, and honestly, I think it would be pretty dumb to have the SB there. One, the traffic is already horrendous and adding 100k out-of-towners to the swamp will not help. Also, I understand everyone saying that if corporate types do not want the tickets, then give them to the "real fans" and they will fill the seats. Here is where that is flawed: Said corporate types will take/buy the tickets regardless. If on the day of the game the weather is crappy, they will stay in the city and watch at a bar. Maybe they can scalp the tix, but there are many that would be wasted with their last minute decision. If you think people did not show up to watch the Colts/Bears in the rain in FL, who do you think will show up to watch a game in sleet in NJ??

The reality is, why take the chance? Are the gains worth the risk?

Honestly, I hope they hold it, it bombs and then ends the debate of whether to hold it in a northern city.

 
I am from NJ, and honestly, I think it would be pretty dumb to have the SB there. One, the traffic is already horrendous and adding 100k out-of-towners to the swamp will not help. Also, I understand everyone saying that if corporate types do not want the tickets, then give them to the "real fans" and they will fill the seats. Here is where that is flawed: Said corporate types will take/buy the tickets regardless. If on the day of the game the weather is crappy, they will stay in the city and watch at a bar. Maybe they can scalp the tix, but there are many that would be wasted with their last minute decision. If you think people did not show up to watch the Colts/Bears in the rain in FL, who do you think will show up to watch a game in sleet in NJ??The reality is, why take the chance? Are the gains worth the risk?Honestly, I hope they hold it, it bombs and then ends the debate of whether to hold it in a northern city.
Excellent points. I live 25 miles from the Swamplands and couldn't agree more... especially with the last line. Yes, they are going to have it here, and yes, I hope it bombs. Gonna look pretty sorry if there is bad weather, and the stadium is half full.
 
The airport situation would be a wreck with delays and cancelled flights.
I looked into it, turns out flights land in New York every February.
So, in New York City, flights are never delayed or cancelled in the month of February where the average high is 32 degrees?NYC is brutal in January and February. It makes sense to play in a warm city or under a dome.
So brutal!

:(

Play a Super Bowl in Buffalo, Cleveland, Chicago, or Green Bay. That would be brutal.

 
jsharlan said:
Someone fill me in on how playing in a 70 degree air conditioned building is an advantage to any team no matter where they are from. Thats like saying a fishing boat that sails in a still calm sea has an advantage over a captain that is good enough to sail through a hurricane. I don't really care where the superbowl is played but the people crying that there even is such a thing as a 'warm weather' team advantage are pretty loopy. Its not like they go play in a 120 degree stadium in the Sahara.
do you not get that dome teams build their teams around that dome, all kinds of timing routes, quick shifty receivers etc on offense, a huge emphasis on speed over size on defense for a lot of them. you could look at the numerous threads and articles on the "dome effect".
and how many dome teams have won the Super Bowl in the last 30 years? Hell how many supposed 'warm weather' teams have won in the last 30 years?
14.
 
I am from NJ, and honestly, I think it would be pretty dumb to have the SB there. One, the traffic is already horrendous and adding 100k out-of-towners to the swamp will not help. Also, I understand everyone saying that if corporate types do not want the tickets, then give them to the "real fans" and they will fill the seats. Here is where that is flawed: Said corporate types will take/buy the tickets regardless. If on the day of the game the weather is crappy, they will stay in the city and watch at a bar. Maybe they can scalp the tix, but there are many that would be wasted with their last minute decision. If you think people did not show up to watch the Colts/Bears in the rain in FL, who do you think will show up to watch a game in sleet in NJ??The reality is, why take the chance? Are the gains worth the risk?
Risk of what, and to whom? Less concessions sold? I think maybe the number of people that wouldn't go to the game is seriously overblown. As to traffic, it really hasn't been keeping anyone from holding Super Bowls anywhere else (that I am aware of).
 
sorry but if NY gets a super bowl so should pittsburgh and philadelphia and NE. they built new stadiums recently. why does NY get a super bowl and they don't?

 
sorry but if NY gets a super bowl so should pittsburgh and philadelphia and NE. they built new stadiums recently. why does NY get a super bowl and they don't?
comparing the appeal of a Super Bowl in New York vs. Pittsburgh is laughable. If there is going to be a cold weather Super Bowl New York will be the first choice hands down.
 
I am from NJ, and honestly, I think it would be pretty dumb to have the SB there. One, the traffic is already horrendous and adding 100k out-of-towners to the swamp will not help. Also, I understand everyone saying that if corporate types do not want the tickets, then give them to the "real fans" and they will fill the seats. Here is where that is flawed: Said corporate types will take/buy the tickets regardless. If on the day of the game the weather is crappy, they will stay in the city and watch at a bar. Maybe they can scalp the tix, but there are many that would be wasted with their last minute decision. If you think people did not show up to watch the Colts/Bears in the rain in FL, who do you think will show up to watch a game in sleet in NJ??

The reality is, why take the chance? Are the gains worth the risk?

Honestly, I hope they hold it, it bombs and then ends the debate of whether to hold it in a northern city.
Excellent points. I live 25 miles from the Swamplands and couldn't agree more... especially with the last line. Yes, they are going to have it here, and yes, I hope it bombs. Gonna look pretty sorry if there is bad weather, and the stadium is half full.
Not getting into whether or not these points have significant merit, but what is wrong with you guys that you hope that it bombs? Why would anyone who loves this sport like to see a failure of a Superbowl?
 
I am more concerned with how the elongated halftime messes up the game. In no other sports are the normal time breaks during the game altered.

If you want to have a dazzling half time show, have it at another location(in the host city) and televise it at the Super Bowl stadium.

That is an unnatural disruption to the game. The elements are a natural occurrence and are dealt with for every other game, including playoffs.

 
So, in NYC every flight is canceled or delayed? (see how easy it is to make stuff up?)
Check it out. I'm not predicting the weather. Odds are logistics will be a pain for those traveling to NYC in the month of February. It could be a bright and sunny day in the big apple. That's more likely to be the case in New Orleans though. Just throwing something to the list of cons. Pretty basic stuff.
Dude we get plenty of nice weather in the northeast .Are winter last year was the worst in a LONG TIME. We hit 70s 2 years ago in jan. But if teams have to fight there way threw ice/cold/wind/sleet/rain/snow whatever its FOOTBALL not golf.remember the dallas/packers game with Bart star now thats how real football is played .they can take these domes and shove them up there *** lets get back to what this game is about .
 
I am from NJ, and honestly, I think it would be pretty dumb to have the SB there. One, the traffic is already horrendous and adding 100k out-of-towners to the swamp will not help. Also, I understand everyone saying that if corporate types do not want the tickets, then give them to the "real fans" and they will fill the seats. Here is where that is flawed: Said corporate types will take/buy the tickets regardless. If on the day of the game the weather is crappy, they will stay in the city and watch at a bar. Maybe they can scalp the tix, but there are many that would be wasted with their last minute decision. If you think people did not show up to watch the Colts/Bears in the rain in FL, who do you think will show up to watch a game in sleet in NJ??The reality is, why take the chance? Are the gains worth the risk?Honestly, I hope they hold it, it bombs and then ends the debate of whether to hold it in a northern city.
Excellent points. I live 25 miles from the Swamplands and couldn't agree more... especially with the last line. Yes, they are going to have it here, and yes, I hope it bombs. Gonna look pretty sorry if there is bad weather, and the stadium is half full.
:hifive: both of you.The media is parroting the praises of the 2014 superbowl. Will the SB in Jersey be any less lame than the one in Detroit?I live in Tampa Bay and this place was made to be converted to a party at the flip of a switch. The hot weather brings hot parties with hot chicks in skimpy clothes. What is wrong with this formula? Then they all leave, and we get ready for Gasparilla, which is something like Mardi Gras. The infrastructure is made for this type of overflow. There are all sorts of beaches to go to, strip clubs, night clubs, you name it. Superbowl was made for places like Florida. You can come here, leave your money and your mess and fly home.
 

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