Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Just curious, has a Missing Persons Report been filed yet?
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Is Aaron Schobel Still In the NFL? (1 Viewer)
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
What the hell happened?
I have the game saved on my DVR and plan to re-watch it to check out what happened.But, I sent a quick email to Chris Brown who writes for buffalobills.com to ask about it earlier and this was his response:
flooredyas
Footballguy
So does this (Aside from Philly's situation) set a trend for DEBC in Buffalo?
For a (supposed) top 10 rated DE to be subbed more than 1/3 of the time is indeed discouraging.
Concerned Schoebel owner here.
For a (supposed) top 10 rated DE to be subbed more than 1/3 of the time is indeed discouraging.
Concerned Schoebel owner here.
yes, he started and played the entire game. just got shutout on the stat sheet.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
this is the right answer. and to add this. going into the season, he was the only "known" threat to cause disruption on the Bills D-Line. So the first few offensive coaches are either doubling him or running away from him. I don't know the stat but I would bet the Dolphins ran to the right twice as many times as they ran to the left.As the season goes on, that will change. See Denney: 3 Sacks. if you have Schobel. hold on to him.
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I re-watched the game last night. The Bills were rotating pretty heavily at DE early on. 1st down would be Schobel/Kelsay. Then, 2nd down would be Denney/Kelsay. Then, 3rd down would be Schobel/Denney. Etc. Schobel never lined up on the left side, so Denney was taking some snaps from him. I imagine the south florida heat had something to do with the Bills wanting to give Schobel some rests and keep him fresh.
The other thing that hurt Schobel is that the Dolphins ran away from him almost every single time. I'm not sure I can remember a play where the Dolphins ran to the left, so he didn't really have any great chances to get involved in those plays and make some tackles.
LJ Shelton also had a very strong game and basically neutralized Schobel in pass protection. The Dolphins gave him some help with McMichael at times, but it just seemed whenever Schobel got some penetration the Dolphins were running the other way or Culpepper would roll out to his right and get rid of the ball before Schobel could get to him. Schobel did have one play in the first half where he got to Culpepper a second before he threw the ball so he should have at least been credited with a QB hurry there. He also was the 2nd or 3rd man in on a few tackles, so he was close but probably not close enough to get credited with an assist.
The Bills defense also runs a lot of zone blitzes, so it's not at all uncommon to see the DE drop back into coverage. They don't seem to do this as much with Schobel as they do with Denny or Kelsay, but there were a few times when Schobel was back in coverage...there was actually one play when he was covering Chris Chambers on a short pass over the middle that he turned into a pretty nice gain. Schobel looked gassed on the sidelines after trying to chase him down.
Last thing I'll point out is that on certain passing downs like 3rd and long, the Bills lined up with Schobel at RDE, Denney at LDE, and Kelsay and Tripplett at DT. So, both Denney and Kelsay seem to be getting on the field a lot and they are both playing great right now.
The other thing that hurt Schobel is that the Dolphins ran away from him almost every single time. I'm not sure I can remember a play where the Dolphins ran to the left, so he didn't really have any great chances to get involved in those plays and make some tackles.
LJ Shelton also had a very strong game and basically neutralized Schobel in pass protection. The Dolphins gave him some help with McMichael at times, but it just seemed whenever Schobel got some penetration the Dolphins were running the other way or Culpepper would roll out to his right and get rid of the ball before Schobel could get to him. Schobel did have one play in the first half where he got to Culpepper a second before he threw the ball so he should have at least been credited with a QB hurry there. He also was the 2nd or 3rd man in on a few tackles, so he was close but probably not close enough to get credited with an assist.
The Bills defense also runs a lot of zone blitzes, so it's not at all uncommon to see the DE drop back into coverage. They don't seem to do this as much with Schobel as they do with Denny or Kelsay, but there were a few times when Schobel was back in coverage...there was actually one play when he was covering Chris Chambers on a short pass over the middle that he turned into a pretty nice gain. Schobel looked gassed on the sidelines after trying to chase him down.
Last thing I'll point out is that on certain passing downs like 3rd and long, the Bills lined up with Schobel at RDE, Denney at LDE, and Kelsay and Tripplett at DT. So, both Denney and Kelsay seem to be getting on the field a lot and they are both playing great right now.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Aaron, what do you think of Denney's dynasty prospects? I grabbed him last week (didn't start him, though). I like what I've seen & read, but I'm unsure if this is a scheme thing where it's "the guy opposite Schobel" or more a Umeniyora thign where he's a stud in his own right.
he had a very good preseason and looks like he's finally living up to his potential. But, Chris Kelsay is also playing well right now and is still technically the starter. Obviously, Denney is unlikely to keep up this type of production all year long but he definitely looks like a guy you should hold onto for now. The Bills pass rush has been the most impressive part of the team these first two weeks. Schobel should still get his 10 sacks or so this year, but Kelsay/Denney both look like they have a good chance to put up 8 or more too.
Schobel is a streaky player so I expect he'll turn things around at some point. The Bills defense got no pressure on Pennington all day today so he wasn't alone. The Jets only had the ball for 26 minutes and had just 21 rush attempts from their RBs.
I really thought he could bust out this week with a big game, but DBrickashaw seemed to neutralize him. That's two weeks in a row getting shut down by LT that aren't exactly considered among the league's elite. Definitely not a good sign.
I really thought he could bust out this week with a big game, but DBrickashaw seemed to neutralize him. That's two weeks in a row getting shut down by LT that aren't exactly considered among the league's elite. Definitely not a good sign.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Hell, two assists. At least he made the stat sheet this week.
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Oh well, at least I didn't start him. :(
pretender
Footballguy
He's cost me a few games now. In a dynasty, which I'm in - I'm hanging on to him but am benching him. In a redraft if you can get someone more consistant - I still think I might just bench him for another week and see what happens. He has a fairly good matchup this weekend so.....my two cents.
Wait. Once Spikes comes back, his value will go back up.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I wouldn't drop him, but I would start Hall and Grant. Someone may be willing to pay for Schobel, but for most, he isn't a big name and he's disapointed so far, so you'll need to find a shark who thinks he's getting a buy-low.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I agree. I am in a league with numerous offensive sharks, but very few in our league have a grasp of IDP even though the league is in its 13th season. The problem is, that those who are not IDP savvy will simply look at his stats and not be willing to trade anything of value for him. So, essentially I have to hold him and hope for the best. Welome to the starting lineup Darren Howard and Charles Grant.
lions327
Footballguy
My opinion is you have to find out WHY his numbers are down before you try to dump him. I don't know why, but I have him, and trading him now is not viable because I don't care to give players away when the value is low. You won't get much for him now. Gotta sell when the hype machine is going strong, and buy when it's not. I am keeping him and hoping it gets better, and his past says it should. Actually, maybe this is a time to buy low...his value can't get any lower than it is now.
he's led the team in sacks for 5 straight years. I would hold onto him.
he's not playing poorly...offenses have been limiting his production with their offensive gameplanning the past two weeks.
he's not playing poorly...offenses have been limiting his production with their offensive gameplanning the past two weeks.
dgreen
Footballguy
Can you explain these gameplans? Running away from Schobel? Doubling him with a TE on pass plays? And, are these gameplans more about what the offenses usually like to do or more about Buffalo's strengths and weaknesses?For example, if Steve Spurrier had a game where he kept the TE in to double Schobel, that would tell me teams are going to keep their TE in against Schobel and that might be a problem. However, Joe Gibbs keeping a TE in wouldn't be odd and would give me the hope that everyone won't gameplan that way.
the Dolphins ran away from his side of the field and also slid their protection to his side in pass protection. Because of the heat, the Bills also used a 3-DE rotation that entire game so Schobel lost snaps to Denney that he normally wouldn't, but all of the pressure on Culpepper came from the middle and left side of the line. Schobel did knock down Culpepper on one play so he just missed a sack, but it was clear the Dolphins were giving him a lot of attention and others on the team made them pay with 8 sacks on the day.the Jets used 3-step drops and quick passes to their WRs and screens to the RBs to minimize the pass rush, which had been very effective against the Patriots and Jets. They also ran a lot of 2 TE sets and frequently put their best blocking TE, Sean Ryan, on Schobel's side of the field.McKinnie/Hutchinson on the left side of the Vikings line makes this look like a tough matchup, but the Vikings should at least run a lot of plays to that side of the field, which could lead to some nice tackle numbers.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I agree with Aaron here. The matchup with the left side of the Viking line looks tough, but Alex Brown looked pretty good last week -- (3-1-0 and collapsed the pocket reasonably well). Even with Ellison still getting a fair number of snaps at LOLB, you have to think they'll be running left (to Schobel's side) a fair amount behind Hutchinson. I don't recall them using him as a pulling guard much -- he's more of a power guard.I think we'll get to see how much of Schobel's problem is rotational and how much was gameplan related this week. Thankfully, we've got Aaron to report back because the gamebooks have been shady at best this season thus far.
stevegamer
Footballguy
This will be good for those of us with Denney to follow in one easy spot as well.
Schobel is now tied with Shawne Merriman for the league lead in sacks with 12.5. He had just 1 sack in the first 4 games, which means he's had 11.5 in his last 9.
Hope you guys held onto him after his slow start.
Hope you guys held onto him after his slow start.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Nope, but snatched him off the waiver wire in Week 6 after all eleven other teams passed. Good times.
Tick
Footballguy
Has this ever not happened?Seems like the guy has one sack through six games every season, then gets a sack per game the rest of the way.
he does seem to be a slow starter in his last few seasons and generally finishes the year strong.2005: 2 sacks in the opener against the Texans but then went 5 games without adding another one. Put up 10 sacks over the last 10 games of the season.2004: 0 sacks in the first 3 games. Then put up 8 sacks over the next 11 games, before going sackless in his last 2.2003: Had 3 sacks in first 4 games and 7 sacks in last 5 games, but just 1.5 sacks in games 5 thru 11.2002: 4.5 sacks in first 5 games, then 3 games in a row without any, then 4 sacks in his last 8 games.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061218/1034314.aspI was pretty surprised to hear that he's already tied Bruce Smith's 2nd best season with 2 games to go. His 13.5 sacks now lead the league.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Kampman over took him for the league lead Thursday. If one of these 2 lead the league, they would be the first white player to lead since Kevin Greene in 1996, a third straight year it happened. (Greene, Paup, Greene)S. Merriman and Jason Taylor could end up on top, as they are close behind.
