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Is Amendola being overlooked? (1 Viewer)

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Devil in the Detail

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Amendola is healthy and still listed as a starting WR on the Patriots' depth chart. When healthy early last season, he showed great chemistry with Brady and was the clear WR1. However, he is going very late in drafts or being undrafted and seems to be an afterthought. Edelman is being drafted with WR2/WR3 expectations. What are the chances that Amendola steps up and delivers the same?

 
Yes.

He is definitely worth a shot as your 5th WR. He gets hurt all the time, but is productive when he actually plays. Start him the few weeks he is healthy and he should be a good PPR play.

 
I believe he's being valued correctly. He's supremely talented but hes an obvious injury risk and there are a ton of legitimate mouths to feed in that offense. He's definitely a good stash but production will be spotty until/unless someone goes down.

 
I dont think he is the #1wr this year for real football purposes. iirc he was only in on 3wr sets in preseason. Just some food for thought

 
Devil in the Detail said:
ldizzle said:
I dont think he is the #1wr this year for real football purposes. iirc he was only in on 3wr sets in preseason. Just some food for thought
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Who was the other WR in on 2WR sets? Thompkins? Will Dobson start opposite Edelman in 2 WR sets now that he's healthy?
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I believe that's the plan. Dobson is their true deep threat at 6'3 with 4.4 wheels. If healthy I think he starts opposite Edelman.

 
Edelman, Amendola, Gronk, Dobson, Tompkins, LaFell, Vereen.

That's seven guys who could potentially lead the Pats in recpts and/or yds on any given week. Plus they just acquired T. Wright so add another guy to compete for short/medium targets.

Plus with a healthy Gronk we know who will get most RZ looks.

Too much competition for Amendola to be much of a factor barring injuries to the others. IMO Edelman is overvalued at WR22, as well.

 
SameSongNDance said:
I believe he's being valued correctly. He's supremely talented but hes an obvious injury risk and there are a ton of legitimate mouths to feed in that offense. He's definitely a good stash but production will be spotty until/unless someone goes down.
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Ok, that's a bit much.

 
Sabertooth said:
SameSongNDance said:
I believe he's being valued correctly. He's supremely talented but hes an obvious injury risk and there are a ton of legitimate mouths to feed in that offense. He's definitely a good stash but production will be spotty until/unless someone goes down.
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Ok, that's a bit much.
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No way. I've found myself saying "Wow." many a time on acrobatic catches/catches in traffic, which is especially impressive seeing as how little he's actually seen the field. He's pretty decent with his feet too!

 
So, looking at the snap count thread I figured this topic should be revisited. Thompkins and Edelman got the start, but out of 86 potential offensive snaps, this was the breakdown:

Edelman - 83 snaps - 8/5/35/0

Amendola - 61 snaps - 5/3/16/0

Thompkins - 46 snaps - 10/5/37/0

Lafell - 39 snaps - 6/0/0/0

(targets/receptions/yards/TDs)

Personally, I consider Amendola a better talent than Edelman but that doesn't seem to matter as Edelman is apparently entrenched in the lineup. Amendola has done something to earn himself a large role, but Thompkins has done something to catch Brady's eye. Dobson doesn't seem to be much of a concern, so who will emerge between Thompkins and Amendola?

A very weird note about Amendola: after having some of the most sure hands in the NFL over his short career, he was 66th out of 78 eligible players in PFF's 2013 WR drop rate (#1 being the best, #78 being the worst). Should he rectify that this year, he could earn Brady's favor over the less than sure handed Thompkins.

Amendola was clearly the WR1 to start the 2013 season, but the groin injury caused him to miss significant time and hampered him once he returned. I honestly kind of expected him to overtake Edelman at some point in the offseason, since Edelman seems like a JAG to me, but I guess he earned the favor of BB last year and the trust of Brady. There's still value in the WR2 in that offense, though. Who will it be? Amendola or Thompkins? (sorry Dobson owners, I don't think it'll be Dobson)

 
FF Ninja said:
Who will it be? Amendola or Thompkins?
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It won't be Amendola or Thompkins. Unless Edelman/Gronk/Vereen go down, they are completely irrelevant in fantasy.

The only reason to roster Amendola is as a cuff to Edelman. There's already reports Tim Wright will start to cut into Amendola's snaps.

 
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FF Ninja said:
So, looking at the snap count thread I figured this topic should be revisited. Thompkins and Edelman got the start, but out of 86 potential offensive snaps, this was the breakdown:

Edelman - 83 snaps - 8/5/35/0

Amendola - 61 snaps - 5/3/16/0

Thompkins - 46 snaps - 10/5/37/0

Lafell - 39 snaps - 6/0/0/0

(targets/receptions/yards/TDs)

Personally, I consider Amendola a better talent than Edelman but that doesn't seem to matter as Edelman is apparently entrenched in the lineup. Amendola has done something to earn himself a large role, but Thompkins has done something to catch Brady's eye. Dobson doesn't seem to be much of a concern, so who will emerge between Thompkins and Amendola?

A very weird note about Amendola: after having some of the most sure hands in the NFL over his short career, he was 66th out of 78 eligible players in PFF's 2013 WR drop rate (#1 being the best, #78 being the worst). Should he rectify that this year, he could earn Brady's favor over the less than sure handed Thompkins.

Amendola was clearly the WR1 to start the 2013 season, but the groin injury caused him to miss significant time and hampered him once he returned. I honestly kind of expected him to overtake Edelman at some point in the offseason, since Edelman seems like a JAG to me, but I guess he earned the favor of BB last year and the trust of Brady. There's still value in the WR2 in that offense, though. Who will it be? Amendola or Thompkins? (sorry Dobson owners, I don't think it'll be Dobson)
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Just to add: Amendola ran almost exclusively from the Slot in this game (48 out of 50 patterns). He'll have some good games when the Pats have an advantage against the slot corner.

 
Amendola is a posession type WR and Edelman is that guy at present. That being said, Brady is a great veteran QB who finds weak spots and will find Amendola in the right matchups. I think Amendola will have some nice games but will be inconsistent and not much of a TD guy.

 
Is it just me or is Danny Boy looking like a serious factor for at least the first half of the season? He looked pretty good late last year.

No Lafell, Dobson sucks, Edelman dinged.

And/Or Chandler?

 
Base assumption is 80% of lafell's snaps (balance to dobson) unless dobson shows out, at which point he would get 80% of lafells snaps.

 
I would expect Dobson to take Lafell's spot. Amendola plays strictly from the slot does he not? So all of his snaps will be in 3 wide sets. If the Pats go 2 TEs then Amendola isn't in the game. I just don't expect them to throw to Dobson much.

 
Surprised at the lack of talk on Amendola since Edelman is likely done for the FF season.

He should serve as a solid WR2 in PPR for as long as he can stay healthy himself.

 
Thinking about blowing 100% of my FAAB. Will he not slide into a carbon copy Edelman role? Their measurables are about the same and didnt the pats originally sign him to take over for Welker a few years back, but he got injured?

 
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I'd blow the budget on him. However while expect him to take over the role, I don't expect him to be as effective. Edelman offers more after the catch.

 
I can't see him being as good as Edelman, hope so but don't see it. Edelman was a better player by quite a bit I think. He should be good though.

 
I think people are expecting Amendola to step into to Edelman's role much as they expected White to step into Lewis' role.

Amendola gets big bump, obviously, but while some coaches will just plug in the next man up, Belichick isn't one to just put one piece in for another. Give him a week to adjust to the loss of Edelman and we'll likely see a modified offense with a different distribution of targets.

I'm not saying not to pick up Amendola, but I wouldn't be surprised to see an unexpected distribution of Edelman's targets going forward.

 
Yeah, I think it will be a carbon copy of Edelman's role but not his production. Edelman is faster, quicker, and the better overall player.

That said Edelman was around a top 6 WR in PPR leagues. Not expecting that from Amendola but top 15-20 should be very realistic for as long as he can stay healthy. Durability has always been an issue for him.

 
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I think people are expecting Amendola to step into to Edelman's role much as they expected White to step into Lewis' role.
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Disagree here.

While there was plenty of speculation that White would get more snaps in the passing back role I didnt see anyone seriously suggesting that he would even sniff Lewis' production. I was a Lewis owner who didnt even make an effort to pick up White. IMO there is just too much of a talent gap between the two and Lewis brought a special dimension to the offense that is not easily replicated.

Edelman was obviously having a great year but I don't think there is as big of a talent gap between him and Amendola as there is between Lewis and White and the slot WR position in this offense is going to get targets no matter what. Not so much the case with throwing to the RBs.

Amendola may be Edelman light while Edelman was Welker light. But that's still good enough for top 15-20 WR production IMO.

 
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I'm not saying not to pick up Amendola, but I wouldn't be surprised to see an unexpected distribution of Edelman's targets going forward.
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If Lewis were still around, I'd agree with you, but not sure where all those targets are going to go unless James White or Aaron Dobson pick up their games big time.

LaFell is more of a downfield/big play guy, Blount offers little in the passing game, and no way on Scott Chandler.

 
I don't think he's top 10 the rest of the way like Edelman would have been, but I think he's probably going to catch 7 or 8 balls a game now and I'd feel really good with him as my #2 in a PPR moving forward.

 
OR...the wheels are going to fall off in terms of this historic ride. Hope not but there is a point where that last straw breaks the camel's back. Can the Patriots absorb both these significant losses and still thrive?

 
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OR...the wheels are going to fall off in terms of this historic ride. Hope not but there is a point where that last straw breaks the camel's back. Can the Patriots absorb both these significant losses and still thrive?
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Probably. As pointed out a few times, Edelman and Amendola are similar players. Amendola is the #1 pick up this week.

 
Shutout said:
OR...the wheels are going to fall off in terms of this historic ride. Hope not but there is a point where that last straw breaks the camel's back. Can the Patriots absorb both these significant losses and still thrive?
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Defense is legit. Brady is Brady. Gronk is Gronk.

They might not win the superbowl but I still don't think there's anyone stopping them from getting there. They've made it with worse teams.

 
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OR...the wheels are going to fall off in terms of this historic ride. Hope not but there is a point where that last straw breaks the camel's back. Can the Patriots absorb both these significant losses and still thrive?
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My fantasy team is in the same boat. Had them both. I'll keep you posted.

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
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He will be the top pickup this week if not already rostered.
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And then he will get hurt. Guy is glass
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He did get hurt a lot early on. I may be wrong but I think he has been healthier lately. In the games I have watched and, it's not a ton, this is the biggest difference between him and Edelman - Amendola hasn't gotten blasted as much. Amendola dives a lot, gets out of the way. Maybe the Edelman routes will get him killed who knows. Think he is the top pickup this week for sure but also don't see him being near as good as Edelman has been.The first year with New England he sucked pretty bad. Hopefully this team and his role in it has improved.

 
Dola hasn't been hurt since his groin tear the first week he played for NE.

Edelman has since had two concussions, and I think a leg thing before now breaking his foot.

Before Edelman blew up, the same year Dola came in, I was convinced Edelman didn't have 'it', he had just as bad an injury history as Dola and hadn't even shown flashes. Dola played most of a season really great in STL. Obviously I was wrong and I actually think Edelman is better than Welker and that takes a lot to say.

But I'm ecstatic the Pats have Dola in the wing because of how important that role is to the offense.

 
If you believe Brady, he said in a radio interview this morning that he thought Martin would be the one to benefit and get a lot more playing time.

 
If that last drive against the Giants was any indication of what is going to happen going forward it has to be encouraging. Amendola had 3 catches and 31 yards on the last drive alone. He had 10 catches on the night. This year he also has a game of 8 catches for 86 yards and 7 catches for 105 yards. He has caught 40 of 48 targets. He runs very good routes and with the Pats losing Edelman and Lewis in successive weeks this may be the type of player that ends up winning teams championships. He becomes an instant plug and play and the targets will now be more consistent each week.

 
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Rotoworld has s blurb up from the ESPN Pats reporter that implies the Pats will manage his snaps to keep him healthy and split up Edelman's role. That sounds bad.

 
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