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[Blackjacks]

I'm an owner of Jamal so maybe I'm looking at the glass half full. However looking at his #'s he's never had 2 bad years in a row, he should be "The Man" again (I don't buy into any Mike Anderson love) as long as Boller is their qb they are going to want to run the ball and let the defense win games for them. Everywhere I look I see him in the late teens or the early to mid 20's. Why is it crazy to think of him as a top 15 rb. I know he was horrible last year but looking at his past #'s he should bounce back or do you think last year was a sign of things to go. What do you guys think of Lewis this year.

 

[Bankerguy]

Shhhhhhhhhhh!

 

[Z-Dog]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

 

[JimmyD]

Negatives:

1. Boller hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

2. Defense isn't the same as old.

3. He's not part of the passing game.

4. It may not be a RBBC there, but Anderson isn't going to sit the bench the entire game.

Top 15 is a stretch unless his TD production can increase without touches increasing.

However he has shown the talent to be a top 5 back. If the Baltimore homers can stay on this throughout the offseason/preseason maybe somethings change that gives us the warm fuzzy feelings about him getting more production out of that offense.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Negatives:

1. Boller hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

2. Defense isn't the same as old.

3. He's not part of the passing game.

4. It may not be a RBBC there, but Anderson isn't going to sit the bench the entire game.

Top 15 is a stretch unless his TD production can increase without touches increasing.

However he has shown the talent to be a top 5 back.  If the Baltimore homers can stay on this throughout the offseason/preseason maybe somethings change that gives us the warm fuzzy feelings about him getting more production out of that offense.

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1. I still think the Ravens are going to bring in McNair one way or the other - for the first time in a long time Jamal will be running against defenses that have to actually respect the pass.2. True, but it's still pretty damn good.

3. He has been a stud fantasy RB without being a factor in the passing game before.

4. I've read that Anderson could actually see time at FB - I think he's pretty much just insurance in case Jamal gets hurt again since Chester Taylor is gone.

 

[Q-Bert]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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2525

4

12

DNP

16

Those are Jamal Lewis' postional ranks for every year he has been in the league. He is not a top 10 back. Except for one season he never was a top 10 back. That is why people are down on him.

 

[Q-Bert]

I'm an owner of Jamal so maybe I'm looking at the glass half full. However looking at his #'s he's never had 2 bad years in a row, he should be "The Man" again (I don't buy into any Mike Anderson love) as long as Boller is their qb they are going to want to run the ball and let the defense win games for them. Everywhere I look I see him in the late teens or the early to mid 20's. Why is it crazy to think of him as a top 15 rb. I know he was horrible last year but looking at his past #'s he should bounce back or do you think last year was a sign of things to go. What do you guys think of Lewis this year.

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The last two years don't count?

 

[Wade]

...looking at his #'s he's never had 2 bad years in a row...

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I would say 2004 and 2005 were two bad years in a row for Jamal Lewis. His yards per carry has declined for the second straight year (about a full yard per carry decline each year). His touchdowns per game has declined for the second straight year. The Ravens brought in proven RB Mike Anderson, who -- curiously -- has the same base salary as Jamal Lewis this season ($1 million). Billick estimates J.Lewis will receive "nearly two-thirds of the carries" this season. (via KFFL via Baltimore Sun) Last year he had about 69% of the carries...so his share is dwindling.

What's to like?

 

[Mr. Pink]

It's fair to say spending his offseason in jail rather than in a conditioning program contributed greatly to his laps in production. I'm going to buy low.

 

[David Yudkin]

People will have to decide on ther own if Lewis' 2K season and #4 ranking are the baseline or if his other 4 seasons when he ranked 16, 12, 25, and 25 are more the norm.

 

[Q-Bert]

People will have to decide on ther own if Lewis' 2K season and #4 ranking are the baseline or if his other 4 seasons when he ranked 16, 12, 25, and 25 are more the norm.

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Don't forget 2001 where he didn't play at all. The guy has been in the league 6 seasons and has had one incredibly fantastic season where he finished 4th at his position. That was three seasons ago. I am going to go with the assumption that his other five years are more indicative of his potential for this season.

 

[JimmyD]

It's fair to say spending his offseason in jail rather than in a conditioning program contributed greatly to his laps in production.  I'm going to buy low.

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I thought that being in jail, gave him nothing to do but condition.

 

[Banger]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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2525

4

12

DNP

16

Those are Jamal Lewis' postional ranks for every year he has been in the league. He is not a top 10 back. Except for one season he never was a top 10 back. That is why people are down on him.

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Jamal had as much talent as nearly any back in the league IMO (before his ankle injury). The problem is that they have no passing game to keep defenses honest. If Jamal is healthy and they can get McNair and actually have a QB that can complete a pass beyond the line of scrimage I think Jamal could be a HUGE value this year.

 

[Blackjacks]

I'm an owner of Jamal so maybe I'm looking at the glass half full. However looking at his #'s he's never had 2 bad years in a row, he should be "The Man" again (I don't buy into any Mike Anderson love) as long as Boller is their qb they are going to want to run the ball and let the defense win games for them. Everywhere I look I see him in the late teens or the early to mid 20's. Why is it crazy to think of him as a top 15 rb. I know he was horrible last year but looking at his past #'s he should bounce back or do you think last year was a sign of things to go. What do you guys think of Lewis this year.

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The last two years don't count?
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I would say that 1100 yards and 7 td's in 12 games isn't a bad year. He also had a 4.3 ypc avg which except for one better and one year worse seems to be his avg. You have to prorate that season with him playing the last 4 games.

 

[Blackjacks]

...looking at his #'s he's never had 2 bad years in a row...

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I would say 2004 and 2005 were two bad years in a row for Jamal Lewis. His yards per carry has declined for the second straight year (about a full yard per carry decline each year). His touchdowns per game has declined for the second straight year. The Ravens brought in proven RB Mike Anderson, who -- curiously -- has the same base salary as Jamal Lewis this season ($1 million). Billick estimates J.Lewis will receive "nearly two-thirds of the carries" this season. (via KFFL via Baltimore Sun) Last year he had about 69% of the carries...so his share is dwindling.

What's to like?

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2004 wasn't a bad season for him look again. Again 4.3 was his avg. except for one great year so 2004 was his avg. now I agree last year was really bad. As for Mike Anderson I'm not sold on him being the guy at all. I believe he is similiar to Jamal as a power runner as where Taylor was a nice compliment, slasher and reciever. I think Anderson is very overrated due to his seasons in Denver. Ask Olandis Gary and Droughns (nice year last year but not great) how the Denver schemes is compared to other teams.

 

[Tick]

I added him in two dynasties this offseason. I think he bounces back with the offseason conditioning (and nutrition - that's a big deal) and has a big year.

For the people saying his one year was an aberration, that might well be true, but I'm happy with a guy who's finished 12, 16, 25, 25, and 4 as my RB2 who's available fairly late. For dynasty purposes, I think people forget how young he still is. The guy's younger than Tomlinson, Jordan, Deuce, Barlow, TJones... he's got a number of years left.

 

[LHUCKS]

I haven't seen any solid ADP numbers yet, but my inclination is that Jamal will be worth the gamble in non-ppr leagues.

 

[Blackjacks]

I added him in two dynasties this offseason.  I think he bounces back with the offseason conditioning (and nutrition - that's a big deal) and has a big year.

For the people saying his one year was an aberration, that might well be true, but I'm happy with a guy who's finished 12, 16, 25, 25, and 4 as my RB2 who's available fairly late.  For dynasty purposes, I think people forget how young he still is.  The guy's younger than Tomlinson, Jordan, Deuce, Barlow, TJones... he's got a number of years left.

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Also he was out of the league for 2 years due to injuries so minus that for his football shelf life.

 

[David Yudkin]

Also he was out of the league for 2 years due to injuries so minus that for his football shelf life.

Hmmm . . . a player's shelf life goes up BECAUSE of injuries. Interesting concept, although one I can't say that I agree with.

 

[Blackjacks]

Also he was out of the league for 2 years due to injuries so minus that for his football shelf life.

Hmmm . . . a player's shelf life goes up BECAUSE of injuries. Interesting concept, although one I can't say that I agree with.
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Less contact, less miles on the tires. I actually rewrote that a couple of times so it didn't sound like that.

 

[perry147]

From what I saw of him last year he looked slow and/or injured last year. I heard his ankle did not heal correctly in the off season and I would be very cautious of taking him as anything but a RB3 or a bye week fill in. I thought last year he would come back and be out to prove something and with his play last year I say he did. He proven he is an outstanding bruiser back who had one incredible year but has also had fantasy football players chasing him every year after that – taking him higher in FF drafts that are not justified by his fantasy production.

Disclaimer: Most of my leagues are PPR leagues so his value could be higher in other formats.

 

[Blackjacks]

From what I saw of him last year he looked slow and/or injured last year. I heard his ankle did not heal correctly in the off season and I would be very cautious of taking him as anything but a RB3 or a bye week fill in. I thought last year he would come back and be out to prove something and with his play last year I say he did.  He proven he is an outstanding bruiser back who had one incredible year but has also had fantasy football players chasing him every year after that – taking him higher in FF drafts that are not justified by his fantasy production.

Disclaimer: Most of my leagues are PPR leagues so his value could be higher in other formats.

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I can agree with everything you just said.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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what is your thought proccess when making a statement like this?? His one finish in the top 10??? I suppose Mike Anderson will play no more than spot duty even though he consistently puts up better #'s than Jamal. I would rather have Milke over Jamal but in reality Billy will not have either one.

 

[perry147]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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what is your thought proccess when making a statement like this?? His one finish in the top 10??? I suppose Mike Anderson will play no more than spot duty even though he consistently puts up better #'s than Jamal. I would rather have Milke over Jamal but in reality Billy will not have either one.

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Referring to yourself in the third person..hmmmmmmmmm is Billy an Otis alias?What kind of women do you like?

Also Perry argee with you not wanting either.

Perry Hungry now.

Perry go eat.

 

[Blackjacks]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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what is your thought proccess when making a statement like this?? His one finish in the top 10??? I suppose Mike Anderson will play no more than spot duty even though he consistently puts up better #'s than Jamal. I would rather have Milke over Jamal but in reality Billy will not have either one.

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So your saying you think Mike Anderson is a better running back than Jamal Lewis

 

[Z-Dog]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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what is your thought proccess when making a statement like this?? His one finish in the top 10??? I suppose Mike Anderson will play no more than spot duty even though he consistently puts up better #'s than Jamal. I would rather have Milke over Jamal but in reality Billy will not have either one.

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Basically, I think last year was an aberration, and I'm not considering it much in figuring out where to select Lewis.I also believe that Steve McNair will be the starter for the Ravens, and that this will positively impact Lewis. I expect that the Ravens will have about 420-440 non-QB rushes. I suspect that Lewis will get about 300 of those rushes, Anderson about 100, and the rest to random players. I'm also projecting that Lewis will run for about 4.3 ypc, which is in line with his historical production. That's about 1300 yards for Lewis, and that's usually a top-10 back.

I'm more suprised by your statment that Mike Anderson consistently puts up better numbers than Lewis. The only consistent thing about Mike Anderson is that he has never even been a starter in back-to-back years. Mike Anderson had one great season and one good season, and in between the two, he had four years of minimal production. Jamal Lewis has had a minimum of 900 yards in every year except the one he missed due to injury. Mike Anderson has had LESS than 700 yards in all but two of his years.

But let me put it really simply: Jamal Lewis is 27, a former top-5 pick, averages 4.3 ypc while getting 300+ attempts, and has had a 2,000 yard season. Mike Anderson is 33, has never had 300 carries, was drafted in the 6th round, has never produced outside of the Denver system, and is suitable in specific roles like FB or goaline work.

To me, the question of who the starter is has been settled, and I think the talent level warrants making Lewis a top-10 back in my book. I suspect I'll draft him in the 3rd or 4th round though, based on what I'm reading.

 

[Blackjacks]

As usual, the market overreacts to recent news. Jamal Lewis is a top-10 back in non-PPR leagues.

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what is your thought proccess when making a statement like this?? His one finish in the top 10??? I suppose Mike Anderson will play no more than spot duty even though he consistently puts up better #'s than Jamal. I would rather have Milke over Jamal but in reality Billy will not have either one.

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Basically, I think last year was an aberration, and I'm not considering it much in figuring out where to select Lewis.I also believe that Steve McNair will be the starter for the Ravens, and that this will positively impact Lewis. I expect that the Ravens will have about 420-440 non-QB rushes. I suspect that Lewis will get about 300 of those rushes, Anderson about 100, and the rest to random players. I'm also projecting that Lewis will run for about 4.3 ypc, which is in line with his historical production. That's about 1300 yards for Lewis, and that's usually a top-10 back.

I'm more suprised by your statment that Mike Anderson consistently puts up better numbers than Lewis. The only consistent thing about Mike Anderson is that he has never even been a starter in back-to-back years. Mike Anderson had one great season and one good season, and in between the two, he had four years of minimal production. Jamal Lewis has had a minimum of 900 yards in every year except the one he missed due to injury. Mike Anderson has had LESS than 700 yards in all but two of his years.

But let me put it really simply: Jamal Lewis is 27, a former top-5 pick, averages 4.3 ypc while getting 300+ attempts, and has had a 2,000 yard season. Mike Anderson is 33, has never had 300 carries, was drafted in the 6th round, has never produced outside of the Denver system, and is suitable in specific roles like FB or goaline work.

To me, the question of who the starter is has been settled, and I think the talent level warrants making Lewis a top-10 back in my book. I suspect I'll draft him in the 3rd or 4th round though, based on what I'm reading.

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You tell them brother

 

[Rhino802]

From what I saw of him last year he looked slow and/or injured last year. I heard his ankle did not heal correctly in the off season and I would be very cautious of taking him as anything but a RB3 or a bye week fill in. I thought last year he would come back and be out to prove something and with his play last year I say he did.  He proven he is an outstanding bruiser back who had one incredible year but has also had fantasy football players chasing him every year after that – taking him higher in FF drafts that are not justified by his fantasy production.

Disclaimer: Most of my leagues are PPR leagues so his value could be higher in other formats.

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Do you have a link regarding the ankle injury not healing correctly - I haven't heard nor read anything regarding his ankle not being healed. I do agree that he looked slow hitting the hole as well as indecisive. thanks

 

[guderian]

People will have to decide on ther own if Lewis' 2K season and #4 ranking are the baseline or if his other 4 seasons when he ranked 16, 12, 25, and 25 are more the norm.

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This "he'll never repeat his 2,000 yard season" argument is getting old. No one is arguing that he'll repeat production anywhere near that. The Ravens let the proven Chester Taylor go--indicating that they felt his 2005 season was something of an anamoly (despite brining in Anderson). This means that he'll get more carries than the 17.9 he had last year. He also faced one of the tougher rushing SOS' last year, was coming off of an ankle injury and wasn't able to properly condition himself off season. All of these factors, to me, to a low YPC in 2005 so we have to decide if his 3.4 YPC is the baseline or the other four seasons where he averaged 4.3, 4.3, 4.4 and 5.3. At a 4.0 YPC and 18 carries per game (in line with 2005), he'll get 1,152 rushing yards--as a baseline. He should get another 200 receiving yards and 6-8 TDs. If McNair comes to Baltimore, I'm counting on more.

 

[Ben Stiller]

To me Jamal Lewis value gets a major spike with McNair. The Ravens have good weapons at WR/TE but Boller is not a threat to consistenly connect with them. Defenses have made stopping Jamal Lewis their priority. That might change a bit with a respected NFL QB. Another negative- Ogden and Mulitalo were once among the best run blockers in the league but now look like they are running in quicksand.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

For all of the talk of Jamal being tentative last season (& he was. God, I got so sick of watching his little stutter step as soon as he got the ball; plus his comments about not wanting to "hurt his future" didn't help), I can't tell you how many times he got blasted in the backfield as soon as he was handed the ball. The offensive line was atrocious.

Two things need to happen: 1) Jamal needs to take the ball & just run - stop thinking, 2) if the line isn't going to actually open a hole for him to run through, they at least need to buy him more than a millisecond to get going.

I'll say here that I was shocked when the Ravens re-signed him, especially one day after bringing MA on board. I thought the bad blood was too much to overcome. Iit remains to be seen if there will be any lingering effects.

 

[David Yudkin]

People will have to decide on ther own if Lewis' 2K season and #4 ranking are the baseline or if his other 4 seasons when he ranked 16, 12, 25, and 25 are more the norm.

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This "he'll never repeat his 2,000 yard season" argument is getting old. No one is arguing that he'll repeat production anywhere near that. The Ravens let the proven Chester Taylor go--indicating that they felt his 2005 season was something of an anamoly (despite brining in Anderson). This means that he'll get more carries than the 17.9 he had last year. He also faced one of the tougher rushing SOS' last year, was coming off of an ankle injury and wasn't able to properly condition himself off season. All of these factors, to me, to a low YPC in 2005 so we have to decide if his 3.4 YPC is the baseline or the other four seasons where he averaged 4.3, 4.3, 4.4 and 5.3. At a 4.0 YPC and 18 carries per game (in line with 2005), he'll get 1,152 rushing yards--as a baseline. He should get another 200 receiving yards and 6-8 TDs. If McNair comes to Baltimore, I'm counting on more.

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Using the numbers you presented, 1350/6-8, his total fantasy point range would be 181-193, which would rank him in the RB12 range--pretty similar to his other seasons (just not the 2K one). But he's only scored that many TD once.I'm not suggesting that Lewis is a terible pick, but I doubt he sniffs the Top 5 and even Top 10 is a stretch in my book.

 

[perry147]

From what I saw of him last year he looked slow and/or injured last year. I heard his ankle did not heal correctly in the off season and I would be very cautious of taking him as anything but a RB3 or a bye week fill in. I thought last year he would come back and be out to prove something and with his play last year I say he did.  He proven he is an outstanding bruiser back who had one incredible year but has also had fantasy football players chasing him every year after that – taking him higher in FF drafts that are not justified by his fantasy production.

Disclaimer: Most of my leagues are PPR leagues so his value could be higher in other formats.

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Do you have a link regarding the ankle injury not healing correctly - I haven't heard nor read anything regarding his ankle not being healed. I do agree that he looked slow hitting the hole as well as indecisive. thanks

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I searched for it and I can't find it; I believe is was a pay service I had last year with TSN (might have been another) but my subscription has run out.

 

[Routilla]

If McNair signs I think this has to make Lewis a consideration as a #2 RB. Certainly a #3.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Jamal is a fat tub of goo.

After every 10 yard run, he's reaching for an oxygen mask on the sidelines...