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Is Balt Def still top 5? (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
No Ed Reed to make plays in the secondary
Where do they rank? Top 10 still?
dmac37
Footballguy
Plus don't panic because they gave up rushing yards last week, it was the beast known as HILLIS!
footballnerd
Footballguy
Someone dropped them in one league
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I think we'll find out more this week. If the Steelers with Batch can move the ball effectively against them I would think they are no longer a top 10 D.
Football Critic
Footballguy
I dropped them for San Diego, If there is a better defense out there, go get em'....
They are not performing like a top 10 defense, so in redraft, cut bait.....dynasty, hold tight.
They are not performing like a top 10 defense, so in redraft, cut bait.....dynasty, hold tight.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
They actually have 5 sacks so far this season, not 4.
This is one of the cases where they are playing better in real life than in the fantasy world.
Their D is still #1 in yards.
This is one of the cases where they are playing better in real life than in the fantasy world.
Their D is still #1 in yards.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Still studly.... sit back and enjoy.
They're allowing the 8th most rushing yards per game at the moment. 3 games is a small sample size but I saw a stat last year (can't remember where) that after week 4, 90% of the teams allowing less than 90 rushing yards per game finish in the top 10 in rushing yards allowed and 80% of the top 10 after week 5 will be there at seasons end.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
That was me... just not getting it done based on my league's scoring.
CrazyHorse1581
Footballguy
They are currently the 27th ranked defense in my league's scoring system. Just dropped them for Indianapolis this week.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Fantasywise they haven't been getting done but in real life they are still good, especially the front 7.The interesting thing is that with that secondary you would have expected them to be giving up tons of passing yards but instead they've been more vulnerable against the run. Maybe the secondary isn't as bad as expected but I think it is due to the fact that they have played some teams that were struggling in passing : NYJ, CIN, CLV.
It is good for the Ravens that Roethlisberger is still on suspension as he would be much more likely to test that secondary than Batch.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Godsbrother said:johnnyboy8102 said:Fantasywise they haven't been getting done but in real life they are still good, especially the front 7.
The interesting thing is that with that secondary you would have expected them to be giving up tons of passing yards but instead they've been more vulnerable against the run. Maybe the secondary isn't as bad as expected but I think it is due to the fact that they have played some teams that were struggling in passing : NYJ, CIN, CLV. It is good for the Ravens that Roethlisberger is still on suspension as he would be much more likely to test that secondary than Batch.
No one's throwing the ball downfield so far. It's hard to get INTs on screen passes.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Xserviceable not studly.Casting Couch said:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
on a + note the STeelers are giving up sacks like party favors this year. You have to think the Ravens get 2-4 sacks this week. Plus their safteies are so much better than tampa's was (ie unlikely mike wallace gets 3 for 100 and 2tds)
(unwelcomed)GUEST
Footballguy
I don't know if it's safe to say they're top 5 but, it really depends on your leagues scoring system. If you're awarded fantasy pts. for game pts. given up then they're rank higher. The Ravens were gouged by Hillis last week as Cleveland's pushed recently cut Trevor Pryce and Kelly Gregg 4 yds off the line of scrimage routinely. Terrance Cody will be active for the first time this season and Brandon McKinney will see more time. Both DT's weigh in the 350 lbs range. Those two in combination with Ngata will be more effective against the run. The Ravens DBs/LBs have had no less than 7 passes bounce off their hands, the return of Ed Reed in week 7 will certainly turn a few of those incompletions into interceptions. Maybe they're a good buy low or hold prospect with a few key guys returning on the D. Their return game has also been subpar but they're making adjustments rotating in different returners. CB Webb is being worked back into the plan after returning from the ACL inury.NatronIsMean said:
roadkill1292
Footballguy
They're playing it very vanilla so far this season, blitzing less and instead trying to keep everything in front of them, figuring that opposing offenses will screw up somewhere during a drive. That means fewer sacks, fewer INTs, obviously.
Reed coming back adds some much needed big play capability to a still questionable secondary (despite the team's lofty pass defense ranking) and maybe they'll dial up a couple more blitzes in the future, figuring that Ed could jump a hurried hot read somewhere and pick one off. But fantasy wise, Greg Mattison just doesn't seem to be the gambler that Rex Ryan was and won't generate the kinds of big numbers we've become accustomed to. I think he's pretty comfortable letting Ngata and Ray Lewis stuff run games and keep dropping a lot of people into coverage.
Reed coming back adds some much needed big play capability to a still questionable secondary (despite the team's lofty pass defense ranking) and maybe they'll dial up a couple more blitzes in the future, figuring that Ed could jump a hurried hot read somewhere and pick one off. But fantasy wise, Greg Mattison just doesn't seem to be the gambler that Rex Ryan was and won't generate the kinds of big numbers we've become accustomed to. I think he's pretty comfortable letting Ngata and Ray Lewis stuff run games and keep dropping a lot of people into coverage.
Lash
Footballguy
well as an owner of Terrell Suggs in an IDP league who is putting up pedestrian numbers, i'd guess they aren't getting to the QB anymore
Ray is another yr older, Ed is out, Suggs lost a step, and they have not added top talent to this side of the ball focusing instead on drafting and signing offensive help :
Draft 2007 1st ... OG Grubb
Draft 2008 1st ... QB Flacco
Draft 2009 1st ... OT Oher
Draft 2010 1st ... traded out of 1st rd
and big $ signing FA's has gone mostly Offense too
Boldin, McNair, Birk, Mason (signed and re-signed)
you are what you emphasize and harbaugh and co have slowly but sure leaned to the O side of the ball
but hey they are 4-1 so who's to argue they are wrong
now that being said you can be a good NFL def and not wrack up alot of big play fantasy points, which is probably still the case here
but look at the QBs who BAL has faced and STILL not been able to make plays (training-wheels-in-week-one Sanchez, Batch, Wallace, CPalmer ... Orton so 4 of 5 just plain awful)
that's one reason i hate that kind of scoring ...(i.e. DST gives up 35 points but returns a fumble for a TD and gets 3 sacks outscores the DST who has 1 sack and 1 TO and holds opponent to 3 points)
Ray is another yr older, Ed is out, Suggs lost a step, and they have not added top talent to this side of the ball focusing instead on drafting and signing offensive help :
Draft 2007 1st ... OG Grubb
Draft 2008 1st ... QB Flacco
Draft 2009 1st ... OT Oher
Draft 2010 1st ... traded out of 1st rd
and big $ signing FA's has gone mostly Offense too
Boldin, McNair, Birk, Mason (signed and re-signed)
you are what you emphasize and harbaugh and co have slowly but sure leaned to the O side of the ball
but hey they are 4-1 so who's to argue they are wrong
now that being said you can be a good NFL def and not wrack up alot of big play fantasy points, which is probably still the case here
but look at the QBs who BAL has faced and STILL not been able to make plays (training-wheels-in-week-one Sanchez, Batch, Wallace, CPalmer ... Orton so 4 of 5 just plain awful)
that's one reason i hate that kind of scoring ...(i.e. DST gives up 35 points but returns a fumble for a TD and gets 3 sacks outscores the DST who has 1 sack and 1 TO and holds opponent to 3 points)
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
As roadkill says above, Mattison hasn't blitzed nearly as much as Ryan did. And I don't think he ever will, but not having Reed healthy for a good portion of the last two years really limits the team's blitzing abilities (for more on this subject, see: Polamalu, Troy and the Steelers). I think some of that may be psychological (Reed-as-safety-blanket), but nevertheless....Also, you need to look a little deeper to see that Ozzie has done a pretty nice job of quietly rebuilding the defense. You mention the recent 1st round picks, but the Ravens have a bunch of players that were drafted 2nd-and-beyond that contribute nicely (McClain, Ellerbe, Webb, Zbikowski, the Hawaiian guy) and has traded/signed guys like Carr, Foxworth (IR), and Washington. They also drafted both Cody (played little so far) & Kindle (not played at all since cracking his skull) in the 2nd round this year who should be big help down the road. In fact, I think they envisioned Kindle bringing heat from the opposite side from Suggs to increase sacks.As for Suggs himself, I think he looks fantastic. He's wrecking the pocket and putting tons of pressure on the QB.Of course, all of the above is more from an NFL perspective and this thread is FF-related. Once Reed comes back, I expect the sacks & INTs to increase (how could they go down?) but I wouldn't look for the incredible scoring machine that D was a few years ago.Your last sentence is really key - it depends on your scoring system. Big-play scoring is pretty random. Maybe try to balance it out with big scores for low point/yardage totals. My local redraft (team D, not IDP) gives 15 pts for a shutout, and something like 9 for under 7 pts; I think 15 pts for under 150 total yards, etc... In a normal year, the "good" NFL defenses will pretty closely mirror the top of our D standings.well as an owner of Terrell Suggs in an IDP league who is putting up pedestrian numbers, i'd guess they aren't getting to the QB anymoreRay is another yr older, Ed is out, Suggs lost a step, and they have not added top talent to this side of the ball focusing instead on drafting and signing offensive helpraft 2007 1st ... OG GrubbDraft 2008 1st ... QB FlaccoDraft 2009 1st ... OT OherDraft 2010 1st ... traded out of 1st rdand big $ signing FA's has gone mostly Offense tooBoldin, McNair, Birk, Mason (signed and re-signed)you are what you emphasize and harbaugh and co have slowly but sure leaned to the O side of the ballbut hey they are 4-1 so who's to argue they are wrongnow that being said you can be a good NFL def and not wrack up alot of big play fantasy points, which is probably still the case herebut look at the QBs who BAL has faced and STILL not been able to make plays (training-wheels-in-week-one Sanchez, Batch, Wallace, CPalmer ... Orton so 4 of 5 just plain awful)that's one reason i hate that kind of scoring ...(i.e. DST gives up 35 points but returns a fumble for a TD and gets 3 sacks outscores the DST who has 1 sack and 1 TO and holds opponent to 3 points)
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Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
I like a lot of their match-ups coming up with BUF, CAR, MIA, and CLE in week 16.
I have NYJ def and am considering dropping SD def for BAL.
FYI, BAL is one of 5 defenses listed in the FBG top 200 going forward.
I have NYJ def and am considering dropping SD def for BAL.
FYI, BAL is one of 5 defenses listed in the FBG top 200 going forward.
