King of the Jungle
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I think that this guy is in a perfect situation for his skill set, but nobody is talking about him. At what point in rookie drafts are we seeing this guy go?
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Is Brian Calhoun being underrated... (1 Viewer)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thoughts of a Kevin Jones owner from one of my dynasty leagues:
I think Calhoun has a shot. He has a lot of speed and may fit better in Martz system. Martz is allready begining to ursup control of a shaky coaching and front office situation. So I do see opportunity for Calhoun moving forward especialy if Kevin Jones plays like he did last year again.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Too much in there?Not sure, but I can tell you how to delete that spiffy signature of yours.
On a talent basis, he is absolutely being underrated. Talent-wise, he's right there with the other 2nd tier backs who are going higher because of situation, Addai and Norwood.
That being said, I am one of the people underrating him, dropping him to #18 and recommending 3 LBs over him. I don't think its crazy to take him as high as #10 if you really believe in him. If you go back and watch Kevin Jones tape from last year, you may get even more excited about Calhoun. Calhoun could easily get back in the first round rookie draft mix on my board if reports out of camp are glowing.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I slimmed it down a little. The signature is useful for the Help Board.
Rev
Footballguy
I'd consider Calhoun at 1.9 even... before the top WR's of this class but after the top 2 QB's, top 5 RB's, and Davis. Calhoun's highlight reel boasts some Reggie Bush-esque speed and moves, not to mention a stellar receiving ability. Finally, though his yards/carry weren't amazing (four point something), he carried the ball around 350 times for the badgers last season, goal line, short yardage and all, in addition to his high number of receptions.
He has the DNA to be an explosive feature back and is important insurance for KJ owners at the very least. For non-KJ owners, however, his value declines considerably. Probably mid-second.
He has the DNA to be an explosive feature back and is important insurance for KJ owners at the very least. For non-KJ owners, however, his value declines considerably. Probably mid-second.
jurb26
Footballguy
I've loved Calhoun all along. I have mixed feelings about him in Det though because I think that Jones is a superior talent. Will that talent ever develop on the field? Who knows. I said if before the draft and I still believe it now. Calhoun was IMO the best RB in the Big 10 last year. He really threw up a few big eggs though vs PSU and Iowa that hurt his value IMO (maybe a few other games too, but I can't remember all of them). Does Calhouns talent transfer over the the NFL well? I guess we'll have to wait and see. His situation really hurt him, because of all the 2nd tier RBs, I think he has the most talented one on front of him.
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can you say a little more about what you think separates Addai and Calhoun? I think Addai has more ideal size, straight line speed, and blocking ability, while Calhoun has shown more quickness and the ability to handle the load over an entire season. Both are EXCELLENT receivers. All in all, they seem like similar level talents to me.
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i got him at 2.01 in our rookie draft last week. i don't own jones but i figure calhoun has a shot in a fairly potent offense. after the big guns of bush, white, addai, maroney and williams, i put calhoun next. with the weak WR class this year, maybe he deserves 1st round consideration.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Bryson sucks and KJ is an underachiever so far. And I don't get the Addai man love. He didn't do enough at LSU to deserve the hype he's getting. His career stats are very underwhelming and he has had knee problems through out his college career.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Bryson is a decent backup and Martz will like him for his blocking and receiving skills. He makes a much better #2 than Calhoun who seems more suited to either be the #1 or much further down the depth chart this year, not an immediate backup.I was impressed with Addai the moment I saw him 4 years ago...and I'm no LSU fan. Granted I thought after seeing him he would do more with his college career and I always thought LSU should just give him the full-time gig, but Saban seemed to prefer multiple RBs (as he still appears to in the NFL) and Addai battled some injuries on top of that.
With Calhoun, this is really nothing new. A Wisconsin RB that put up good numbers but who in catching only a few games (3 or 4) I was never impressed by what I saw. He just looked average at everything to me, and exceptional at nothing.
Just MO, but I would be very very surprised if Calhoun ever amounts to anything in the NFL.
jurb26
Footballguy
Oddly enough, I have the exact opposite impression of the guys or maybe you and I just saw completly dif games. Which would not be all tha crazy of an idea. The RB that impressed me everytime I saw LSU play was Justin Vincent (when healthyBryson is a decent backup and Martz will like him for his blocking and receiving skills. He makes a much better #2 than Calhoun who seems more suited to either be the #1 or much further down the depth chart this year, not an immediate backup.I was impressed with Addai the moment I saw him 4 years ago...and I'm no LSU fan. Granted I thought after seeing him he would do more with his college career and I always thought LSU should just give him the full-time gig, but Saban seemed to prefer multiple RBs (as he still appears to in the NFL) and Addai battled some injuries on top of that.
With Calhoun, this is really nothing new. A Wisconsin RB that put up good numbers but who in catching only a few games (3 or 4) I was never impressed by what I saw. He just looked average at everything to me, and exceptional at nothing.
Just MO, but I would be very very surprised if Calhoun ever amounts to anything in the NFL.
). Addai looked fairly average to me. I was very impressed with Calhoun but for 1 game, but his Oline was dominated at the LOS in that game, so it's tough to say. 
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Calhoun put up GREAT numbers his last year at Wisconsin. Average players don't rack up over 2,200 yds from scrimmage in the Big Ten.Bryson is a decent backup and Martz will like him for his blocking and receiving skills. He makes a much better #2 than Calhoun who seems more suited to either be the #1 or much further down the depth chart this year, not an immediate backup.I was impressed with Addai the moment I saw him 4 years ago...and I'm no LSU fan. Granted I thought after seeing him he would do more with his college career and I always thought LSU should just give him the full-time gig, but Saban seemed to prefer multiple RBs (as he still appears to in the NFL) and Addai battled some injuries on top of that.
With Calhoun, this is really nothing new. A Wisconsin RB that put up good numbers but who in catching only a few games (3 or 4) I was never impressed by what I saw. He just looked average at everything to me, and exceptional at nothing.
Just MO, but I would be very very surprised if Calhoun ever amounts to anything in the NFL.
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Ron Dayne?Calhoun put up GREAT numbers his last year at Wisconsin. Average players don't rack up over 2,200 yds from scrimmage in the Big Ten.Bryson is a decent backup and Martz will like him for his blocking and receiving skills. He makes a much better #2 than Calhoun who seems more suited to either be the #1 or much further down the depth chart this year, not an immediate backup.I was impressed with Addai the moment I saw him 4 years ago...and I'm no LSU fan. Granted I thought after seeing him he would do more with his college career and I always thought LSU should just give him the full-time gig, but Saban seemed to prefer multiple RBs (as he still appears to in the NFL) and Addai battled some injuries on top of that.
With Calhoun, this is really nothing new. A Wisconsin RB that put up good numbers but who in catching only a few games (3 or 4) I was never impressed by what I saw. He just looked average at everything to me, and exceptional at nothing.
Just MO, but I would be very very surprised if Calhoun ever amounts to anything in the NFL.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
YES.Ron Dayne?Calhoun put up GREAT numbers his last year at Wisconsin. Average players don't rack up over 2,200 yds from scrimmage in the Big Ten.Bryson is a decent backup and Martz will like him for his blocking and receiving skills. He makes a much better #2 than Calhoun who seems more suited to either be the #1 or much further down the depth chart this year, not an immediate backup.I was impressed with Addai the moment I saw him 4 years ago...and I'm no LSU fan. Granted I thought after seeing him he would do more with his college career and I always thought LSU should just give him the full-time gig, but Saban seemed to prefer multiple RBs (as he still appears to in the NFL) and Addai battled some injuries on top of that.
With Calhoun, this is really nothing new. A Wisconsin RB that put up good numbers but who in catching only a few games (3 or 4) I was never impressed by what I saw. He just looked average at everything to me, and exceptional at nothing.
Just MO, but I would be very very surprised if Calhoun ever amounts to anything in the NFL.
I guess you have me there. But, you had to resort to the poster child for underachieving runningbacks. Rarely does one with Dayne's college credentials crash and burn so badly in the NFL without an injury being involved.Dayne Honors:Heisman Trophy 2000
Maxwell Award - 2000
Doak Walker Award - 2000
Walter Camp Award - 2000
Big Ten Player of the Year - 2000
All-American - 1996, 1998, 1999
No. 33 Wisconsin jersey retired - 1999
All-Big Ten - 1996, 1998, 1999
Four bowl games winning three including two Rose Bowls. 1,200 carries for 7,125 yds (5.8 ypc) and 71 TDs.
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bjlmonster
Footballguy
Considering he is behind a KJ, who is a young back who has had one very good year and one bad, I personally think he often is going too high.
I have seen him picked anywher from 1.07- 2.07. Early to mid second seems like where he should be going.
I have seen him picked anywher from 1.07- 2.07. Early to mid second seems like where he should be going.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Note quite 2200, but...Michael Bennett?YES.Ron Dayne?Calhoun put up GREAT numbers his last year at Wisconsin. Average players don't rack up over 2,200 yds from scrimmage in the Big Ten.Bryson is a decent backup and Martz will like him for his blocking and receiving skills. He makes a much better #2 than Calhoun who seems more suited to either be the #1 or much further down the depth chart this year, not an immediate backup.I was impressed with Addai the moment I saw him 4 years ago...and I'm no LSU fan. Granted I thought after seeing him he would do more with his college career and I always thought LSU should just give him the full-time gig, but Saban seemed to prefer multiple RBs (as he still appears to in the NFL) and Addai battled some injuries on top of that.
With Calhoun, this is really nothing new. A Wisconsin RB that put up good numbers but who in catching only a few games (3 or 4) I was never impressed by what I saw. He just looked average at everything to me, and exceptional at nothing.
Just MO, but I would be very very surprised if Calhoun ever amounts to anything in the NFL.
Heisman Trophy 2000
Maxwell Award - 2000
Doak Walker Award - 2000
Walter Camp Award - 2000
Big Ten Player of the Year - 2000
All-American - 1996, 1998, 1999
No. 33 Wisconsin jersey retired - 1999
All-Big Ten - 1996, 1998, 1999
Four bowl games winning three including two Rose Bowls. 1,200 carries for 7,125 yds (5.8 ypc) and 71 TDs.
The Royal Jack
Footballguy
Like an earlier poster I have him at 1.9. The receivers are a possibilty at this spot but Holmes plays for Pittsburgh (not a ton of passes) and Walker is in NE (kind of a veteran first team). Calhoun is exceptionally fast and has outstanding hands, bigger then Maurice Drew and is playing behind Kevin Jones who has had his issues. If Jones is injured or continues to not take advantage of the starting role- Calhoun is suddenly a talented athlete with a chance to shine. Its possible that his receiving skills will play well in a Martz offense -but who knows what will show up on the field for Detroit.
I think that Maurice Drew is right there talent wise with Calhoun but is smaller and still has Fred Taylor, Greg Jones and Alvin Pearman in the mix, all of whom are very talented. Calhoun has to knock off Shawn Bryson.
For that reason I would rate Calhoun over Drew and the 6th back available after Bush, Williams, Maroney, Addai and White. The 9th overall pick is certainly appropriate for the 6th RB available in a dynasty format.
I think that Maurice Drew is right there talent wise with Calhoun but is smaller and still has Fred Taylor, Greg Jones and Alvin Pearman in the mix, all of whom are very talented. Calhoun has to knock off Shawn Bryson.
For that reason I would rate Calhoun over Drew and the 6th back available after Bush, Williams, Maroney, Addai and White. The 9th overall pick is certainly appropriate for the 6th RB available in a dynasty format.
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el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Exactly. I've been doing fantasy football for ten years and I think the worst talent evaluators are always the owners who spend most of their time coming up with ways to discredit a players potential rather than looking at indicators on why they may succeed at the next level. In Calhoun's case, I think these are factors to consider:1) He was a very productive in his final year in college with 1,636 yds rushing, 571 yds receiving, and 24 TDs. He had 30 carries and 213 yds against a very tough Auburn defense in the Capital One bowl in his final collegiate game (talent).
2) Excellent receiver out of the backfield with 53 receptions his final year in a Mike Martz system that is designed to use the runningback extensively as a receiver in the passing game (fit).
3) He is behind a player on the depth chart that struggled to be productive last year averaging 3.6 ypc (opportunity).
@Pony Boy and Arnold S.: Here is our entire 5-round draft (already posted it in an other topic):
1.01 Cologne Islanders - Reggie Bush, RB, Saints
1.02 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders - Matt Leinart, QB, Cardinals
1.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Panthers
1.04 Monk City Blast (von Kölner Doms) - Laurence Maroney, RB, Patriots
1.05 Orange Crush Masters - Joseph Addai, RB, Colts
1.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Lendale White, RB, Titans
1.07 Berlin Thunderheads - Mario Williams, DL, Texans
1.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Vince Young, QB, Titans
1.09 Monk City Blast (von Cicely Marmots) - A.J. Hawk, LB, Packers
1.10 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders (von Monk City Blast über Weirdos) - Vernon Davis, TE, 49ers
1.11 Gevelsberg Weirdos - Ernie Sims, LB, Lions
1.12 Hamburg Canes - Marcedes Lewis, TE, Jaguars
2.01 Cologne Islanders - Santonio Holmes, WR, Steelers
2.02 Cicely Marmots (von Whale R[a]iders über Weirdos und Blast) - Michael Huff, DB, Raiders
2.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Browns
2.04 Kölner Doms - Jay Cutler, QB, Broncos
2.05 Orange Crush Masters - Chad Jackson, WR, Patriots
2.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Chad Greenway, LB, Vikings
2.07 Gevelsberg Weirdos (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Greg Jennings, WR, Packers
2.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Donte Whitner, DB, Bills
2.09 Cicely Marmots - Sinorice Moss, WR, Giants
2.10 Kölner Doms (von Monk City Blast) - Kamerion Wimbley, LB, Browns
2.11 Berlin Thunderheads (von Gevelsberg Weirdos) - Daniel Bullocks, DB, Lions
2.12 Hamburg Canes - Tamba Hali, DL, Chiefs
3.01 Cologne Islanders - Manny Lawson, LB, 49ers
3.02 Cicely Marmots (von Whale R[a]iders über Blast) - Bobby Carpenter, LB, Cowboys
3.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - Mathias Kiwanuka, DL, Giants
3.04 Kölner Doms - Devin Hester, WR, Bears
3.05 Orange Crush Masters - Maurice Drew, RB, Jaguars
3.06 Lichtenrade Butchers- Leon Washington, RB, Jets
3.07 Cicely Marmots (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Jerious Norwood, RB, Falcons
3.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Thomas Howard, LB, Raiders
3.09 Cicely Marmots - Stephen Gostkowski, K, Patriots
3.10 Berlin Thunderheads (von Blast über Weirdos) - Abdul Hodge, LB, Packers
3.11 Gevelsberg Weirdos - Brian Calhoun, RB, Lions
3.12 Monk City Blast (von Canes über Thunderh. und Marmots) - Danieal Manning, DB, Bears
4.01 Cologne Islanders - Haloti Ngata, DL, Ravens
4.02 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders - Darryl Tapp, DL, Seahawks
4.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - Anthony Smith, DB, Steelers
4.04 Kölner Doms - Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Rams
4.05 Orange Crush Masters - Jason Allen, DB, Dolphins
4.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Roman Harper, DB, Saints
4.07 Gevelsberg Weirdos (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Leonard Pope, TE, Cardinals
4.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - DeMeco Ryans, LB, Texans
4.09 Cicely Marmots - Jason Hatcher, DL, Cowboys
4.10 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders (von Monk City Blast) - Tye Hill, DB, Rams
4.11 Berlin Thunderheads (von Gevelsberg Weirdos) - Derek Hagan, WR, Dolphins
4.12 Hamburg Canes - Kellen Clemens, QB, Jets
5.01 Cologne Islanders - Antonio Cromartie, DB, Chargers
5.02 Monk City Blast (von Nürnberg Pimpnation) - Tony Scheffler, TE, Broncos
5.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - Tarvaris Jackson, QB, Vikings
5.04 Kölner Doms - Jerome Harrison, RB, Lions
5.05 Orange Crush Masters - Maurice Stovall, WR, Buccaneers
5.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Roger McIntosh, LB, Redskins
5.07 Hamburg Canes (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Jimmy Williams, DB, Falcons
5.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Wali Lundy, RB, Texans
5.09 Berlin Thunderheads (von Cicely Marmots) - Cedric Humes, RB, Steelers
5.10 Monk City Blast - Brandon Williams, WR, 49ers
5.11 Gevelsberg Weirdos - Kelly Jennings, CB, Seahawks
5.12 Hamburg Canes - Brandon Marshall, WR, Broncos
Starting lineup:
1 QB
1 RB
2 WR
1 TE
1 RB/WR
1 K
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1.01 Cologne Islanders - Reggie Bush, RB, Saints
1.02 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders - Matt Leinart, QB, Cardinals
1.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Panthers
1.04 Monk City Blast (von Kölner Doms) - Laurence Maroney, RB, Patriots
1.05 Orange Crush Masters - Joseph Addai, RB, Colts
1.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Lendale White, RB, Titans
1.07 Berlin Thunderheads - Mario Williams, DL, Texans
1.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Vince Young, QB, Titans
1.09 Monk City Blast (von Cicely Marmots) - A.J. Hawk, LB, Packers
1.10 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders (von Monk City Blast über Weirdos) - Vernon Davis, TE, 49ers
1.11 Gevelsberg Weirdos - Ernie Sims, LB, Lions
1.12 Hamburg Canes - Marcedes Lewis, TE, Jaguars
2.01 Cologne Islanders - Santonio Holmes, WR, Steelers
2.02 Cicely Marmots (von Whale R[a]iders über Weirdos und Blast) - Michael Huff, DB, Raiders
2.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Browns
2.04 Kölner Doms - Jay Cutler, QB, Broncos
2.05 Orange Crush Masters - Chad Jackson, WR, Patriots
2.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Chad Greenway, LB, Vikings
2.07 Gevelsberg Weirdos (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Greg Jennings, WR, Packers
2.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Donte Whitner, DB, Bills
2.09 Cicely Marmots - Sinorice Moss, WR, Giants
2.10 Kölner Doms (von Monk City Blast) - Kamerion Wimbley, LB, Browns
2.11 Berlin Thunderheads (von Gevelsberg Weirdos) - Daniel Bullocks, DB, Lions
2.12 Hamburg Canes - Tamba Hali, DL, Chiefs
3.01 Cologne Islanders - Manny Lawson, LB, 49ers
3.02 Cicely Marmots (von Whale R[a]iders über Blast) - Bobby Carpenter, LB, Cowboys
3.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - Mathias Kiwanuka, DL, Giants
3.04 Kölner Doms - Devin Hester, WR, Bears
3.05 Orange Crush Masters - Maurice Drew, RB, Jaguars
3.06 Lichtenrade Butchers- Leon Washington, RB, Jets
3.07 Cicely Marmots (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Jerious Norwood, RB, Falcons
3.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Thomas Howard, LB, Raiders
3.09 Cicely Marmots - Stephen Gostkowski, K, Patriots
3.10 Berlin Thunderheads (von Blast über Weirdos) - Abdul Hodge, LB, Packers
3.11 Gevelsberg Weirdos - Brian Calhoun, RB, Lions
3.12 Monk City Blast (von Canes über Thunderh. und Marmots) - Danieal Manning, DB, Bears
4.01 Cologne Islanders - Haloti Ngata, DL, Ravens
4.02 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders - Darryl Tapp, DL, Seahawks
4.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - Anthony Smith, DB, Steelers
4.04 Kölner Doms - Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Rams
4.05 Orange Crush Masters - Jason Allen, DB, Dolphins
4.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Roman Harper, DB, Saints
4.07 Gevelsberg Weirdos (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Leonard Pope, TE, Cardinals
4.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - DeMeco Ryans, LB, Texans
4.09 Cicely Marmots - Jason Hatcher, DL, Cowboys
4.10 Dortmund Whale R[a]iders (von Monk City Blast) - Tye Hill, DB, Rams
4.11 Berlin Thunderheads (von Gevelsberg Weirdos) - Derek Hagan, WR, Dolphins
4.12 Hamburg Canes - Kellen Clemens, QB, Jets
5.01 Cologne Islanders - Antonio Cromartie, DB, Chargers
5.02 Monk City Blast (von Nürnberg Pimpnation) - Tony Scheffler, TE, Broncos
5.03 Hamburg Grim Knights - Tarvaris Jackson, QB, Vikings
5.04 Kölner Doms - Jerome Harrison, RB, Lions
5.05 Orange Crush Masters - Maurice Stovall, WR, Buccaneers
5.06 Lichtenrade Butchers - Roger McIntosh, LB, Redskins
5.07 Hamburg Canes (von Berlin Thunderheads) - Jimmy Williams, DB, Falcons
5.08 Wentorf Wadenbeisser - Wali Lundy, RB, Texans
5.09 Berlin Thunderheads (von Cicely Marmots) - Cedric Humes, RB, Steelers
5.10 Monk City Blast - Brandon Williams, WR, 49ers
5.11 Gevelsberg Weirdos - Kelly Jennings, CB, Seahawks
5.12 Hamburg Canes - Brandon Marshall, WR, Broncos
Starting lineup:
1 QB
1 RB
2 WR
1 TE
1 RB/WR
1 K
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
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el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Link to Calhoun Highlight Film via Yahoo Sports (click on the camera next to his name).
Calhoun Highlight Reel
Once you are in the film section, you can click on "More NFL Draft" after the Hummer Ad finishes to find Addai's highlights and some of the other RBs.
Particularly like the play where Calhoun catches the pass over the middle and jukes the defender out of his jock.
Calhoun Highlight Reel
Once you are in the film section, you can click on "More NFL Draft" after the Hummer Ad finishes to find Addai's highlights and some of the other RBs.
Particularly like the play where Calhoun catches the pass over the middle and jukes the defender out of his jock.
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Rev
Footballguy
I see Calhoun fallin anywhere from mid first to early 3rd in rookie drafts... generally, he has early second value I think, and is limited because he is behind a young first round draft pick who has had periods of success in a horrible situation.Calhoun is going to have to scrape and claw to see action and get touches. I see him having only a modest impact until about 2009.
