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Is Draft Dominator Serious? (1 Viewer)

rizzler

rizzler

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so Im doing a myteam mockdraft... all my settings and scoring are correct. ive checked them over 1000000times. and cant find whats going on.

I have DD set to draft as follows: 12 man pool standard scoring, all tds worth 6

QB starters 1 / spots 2

WR 3 / 5

RB 2 / 4

TE 1 / 2

K 1 / 1

Def 1 / 1

no flex.

So, mock draft begins (other teams drafting via ADP)... for example, im drafting at the 8 spot. rnd 1 - rodgers. rnd 2 - miles austin/ rnd 3- tony romo!?!?!?!?

why on earth am I drafting my second QB in round 3? this cannot possibly be correct, can it? I understand it's all based on value, but doesnt the program recognize I have a starting qb in rodgers, can only start 1, and have serious needs at other positions? (it is round 3 after all)

any advice? normal? i know you dont take the program for gospel, but these just seems odd!

 
Sounds like it is correct. If Round 1 has you taking a the #1 QB at the #8 spot, and Romo is still available at 3.08, it seems he would be the most valuable since he is a top 5 QB.

Just cause Romo has the highest value doesn't mean you have to draft him, just that it represents the most value.

 
fridayfrenzy said:
Sounds like it is correct. If Round 1 has you taking a the #1 QB at the #8 spot, and Romo is still available at 3.08, it seems he would be the most valuable since he is a top 5 QB.Just cause Romo has the highest value doesn't mean you have to draft him, just that it represents the most value.
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Like I said, I know it shouldnt be taken as gospel... but I also thought the program's AI would steer me away from drafting 2 QB's in the first 3 rounds.. no?
 
When I had it set to "Joe's Secret Formula", it had very strange VBD baselines. When I set it to "worst starter", things became normal. I think there may be a bug there. I thought it was due to my flex postions but maybe not. Set it to worst starter and I think you'll get a better draft.

 
BuckeyeArt said:
When I had it set to "Joe's Secret Formula", it had very strange VBD baselines. When I set it to "worst starter", things became normal. I think there may be a bug there. I thought it was due to my flex postions but maybe not. Set it to worst starter and I think you'll get a better draft.
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for giggles ill give it a shot and report back.and nope.. Romo still in the 3rd!
 
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I suppose it's possible that it's saying that, but I would look at your settings closely (as in starter requirements, flex isn't checked that it can be QB, etc). The reason I say it's possible is that Dynamic VBD will discount the backup QB 20% of it's real VBD since you have a QB already. But at 6 point TDs, it's possible that Romo is still valuable enough to grab there (even with that 20% discount) based on trade value here.

I am guessing in this league that Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Romo were all top 15-17 players at the start of the draft in this scoring? If you did take Romo here, the Draft Dominator would then reduce another QB another 20%. So any VBD would be priced in with a 40% discount. Generally this works to steer an owner against taking a ton of backups.

You have to realize that one formula can't work for every possible league out there. If I were to guess at your scoring rules, is it non-PPR? Minimal starting WRs? to go along with the QB TDs = 6. That type of scoring (or similar) would make the QBs super valuable. Drafting a second one might not really be dumb, if you then can trade him for a good RB/WR a few games into the season.

 
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David Dodds said:
I suppose it's possible that it's saying that, but I would look at your settings closely (as in starter requirements, flex isn't checked that it can be QB, etc). The reason I say it's possible is that Dynamic VBD will discount the backup QB 20% of it's real VBD since you have a QB already. But at 6 point TDs, it's possible that Romo is still valuable enough to grab there (even with that 20% discount) based on trade value here.I am guessing in this league that Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Romo were all top 15-17 players at the start of the draft in this scoring? If you did take Romo here, the Draft Dominator would then reduce another QB another 20%. So and VBD would be priced in with a 40% discount. Generally this works. You have to realize that one formula can't work for every possible league out there. If I were to guess at your scoring rules, is it non-PPR? Minimal starting WRs? to go along with the QB TDs = 6. That type of scoring (or similar) would make the QBs super valuable. Drafting a second one might nott really be dumb, if you then can trade him for a good RB/WR a few games into the season.
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Thanks David... I do not have QB's checked as a flex position.. just start 1, roster 2.it is non-ppr, correct.3 starting WR's with a possibility of a 4th as a flex (the flex is rb/wr/te)it just doesnt make sense to me... but I see where youre coming from.Gethuge - i agree with you completely... I know not to just follow blindly... i just wanted to be sure I wasnt crazy for not wanting to take a 2nd QB in the 3rd round...and was lost as to why it suggested it.
 
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rizzler said:
BuckeyeArt said:
When I had it set to "Joe's Secret Formula", it had very strange VBD baselines. When I set it to "worst starter", things became normal. I think there may be a bug there. I thought it was due to my flex postions but maybe not. Set it to worst starter and I think you'll get a better draft.
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for giggles ill give it a shot and report back.and nope.. Romo still in the 3rd!
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Good try. Mine was set up for FPC scoring (TE=1.5 PPR) and the baselines were RB47, WR27, and TE7. Completely wrong. Worst starter corrected it.
 
rizzler, it's NORMAL...(See DD Help below)

How to use the Best Value Pick window

It is best to leave the Auto Look Ahead checked in most cases. You can experiment with looking ahead a different number of picks. For example, when you are on the clock, you could set the Best Value Pick to look ahead 12picks. Then change it to look ahead 24 picks. If you change the Spots to Look Ahead value, make sure you press the Update button for the change to take affect. Look at the DVDB value to determine which position to draft. From the Player Pool window, click that position tab. Make sure that the top player does not have a Bye week conflict with your current roster. Then, look at the Average Draft data to see if the player might still be available when you draft again.

For best results, though, carefully consider each pick. Don't blindly take whatever it suggests.

ALSO: Starters—enter the number of players that you need to start at each position each week. A typical Fantasy team might start 1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 PK.

Roster Spots—enter the maximum number of players that you want to draft at each position. Sometimes this is dictated by your league rules. For example, your league might state that you must draft 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 5 WRs, 2 TEs, 2 PKs and 2 Defs for a total of 17 rounds. If your league doesn't dictate this, then you will need to enter reasonable numbers on your own. For example, if you know going into the draft, that you want at least 2 QBs but not more than 3 QBs, then enter 3 QBs for the Roster Spots. If you know you want somewhere between 4 and 6 RBs, then enter 6 RBs for the Roster Spots. Tip: The total number of Roster Spots should be greater than or equal to the Number of Rounds in your draft. For best results, you don't want the total Roster Spots to be much greater than the Number of Round in your draft.

BTW...grab Romo there for trade bait!! (just kidding)

 
What I do for weird things like this is just set the max roster size to 1 for QB. You can always manually override it later or just go back into setup and change it later in the draft once you'd consider taking another QB.

 
TWP said:
What I do for weird things like this is just set the max roster size to 1 for QB. You can always manually override it later or just go back into setup and change it later in the draft once you'd consider taking another QB.
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I thought of that this morning in the shower, thanks...My brain wasnt in full function mode last nite... needed sleep. thanks to all who answered. maybe ill pull a greasy one, draft both QBs... and prob lose my pool haha
 
I had a similar problem. When I was running mock drafts it kept on drafting 3 qbs in the first round. That would never ever happen in my league. Is there a way to turn the mock draft into rb heavy?

 
Hug dog said:
I had a similar problem. When I was running mock drafts it kept on drafting 3 qbs in the first round. That would never ever happen in my league. Is there a way to turn the mock draft into rb heavy?
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I'm still working on tweaking DD for my league. I ran a mock and also had 3 QB's go in the 1st round. Also had 3 defenses go in the first 2 rounds, and DD actually reccomended for me to take the 2nd kicker off the board in the 4th round. Obviously that wouldn't (and shouldn't) happen in any league. DD worked awsome last year, but it sure is wacky this year. I didn't change any settings from last year at first, but I obviously have to do something. This trying to tweak DD to work decently is gobbling up valuable research time.
 
shredhead said:
Hug dog said:
I had a similar problem. When I was running mock drafts it kept on drafting 3 qbs in the first round. That would never ever happen in my league. Is there a way to turn the mock draft into rb heavy?
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I'm still working on tweaking DD for my league. I ran a mock and also had 3 QB's go in the 1st round. Also had 3 defenses go in the first 2 rounds, and DD actually reccomended for me to take the 2nd kicker off the board in the 4th round. Obviously that wouldn't (and shouldn't) happen in any league. DD worked awsome last year, but it sure is wacky this year. I didn't change any settings from last year at first, but I obviously have to do something. This trying to tweak DD to work decently is gobbling up valuable research time.
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that's complete insanity.... maybe there is a bug in DD? I mean, aside from it asking me to take Romo in the 3rd as my 2nd QB, I havent noticed anything that crazy...
 
Hug dog said:
I had a similar problem. When I was running mock drafts it kept on drafting 3 qbs in the first round. That would never ever happen in my league. Is there a way to turn the mock draft into rb heavy?
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Set your ADP_USER according to league tendencies. For example, if only 2 QB's will be taken in the first 2 rounds, the drop value will be less and DVBD will then be less....The other approach is to devalue your QB's by giving them less points - for example- 4pts/TD instead of 6.
 
rizzler said:
fridayfrenzy said:
Sounds like it is correct. If Round 1 has you taking a the #1 QB at the #8 spot, and Romo is still available at 3.08, it seems he would be the most valuable since he is a top 5 QB.Just cause Romo has the highest value doesn't mean you have to draft him, just that it represents the most value.
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Like I said, I know it shouldnt be taken as gospel... but I also thought the program's AI would steer me away from drafting 2 QB's in the first 3 rounds.. no?
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if you're drafting off dvbd, it will set the weight for "need" to 0 resulting in a 0 dvbd value telling you not to draft him.
 
rizzler said:
David Dodds said:
I suppose it's possible that it's saying that, but I would look at your settings closely (as in starter requirements, flex isn't checked that it can be QB, etc). The reason I say it's possible is that Dynamic VBD will discount the backup QB 20% of it's real VBD since you have a QB already. But at 6 point TDs, it's possible that Romo is still valuable enough to grab there (even with that 20% discount) based on trade value here.I am guessing in this league that Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Romo were all top 15-17 players at the start of the draft in this scoring? If you did take Romo here, the Draft Dominator would then reduce another QB another 20%. So and VBD would be priced in with a 40% discount. Generally this works. You have to realize that one formula can't work for every possible league out there. If I were to guess at your scoring rules, is it non-PPR? Minimal starting WRs? to go along with the QB TDs = 6. That type of scoring (or similar) would make the QBs super valuable. Drafting a second one might nott really be dumb, if you then can trade him for a good RB/WR a few games into the season.
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Thanks David... I do not have QB's checked as a flex position.. just start 1, roster 2.it is non-ppr, correct.3 starting WR's with a possibility of a 4th as a flex (the flex is rb/wr/te)it just doesnt make sense to me... but I see where youre coming from.Gethuge - i agree with you completely... I know not to just follow blindly... i just wanted to be sure I wasnt crazy for not wanting to take a 2nd QB in the 3rd round...and was lost as to why it suggested it.
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double check that QBs aren't also checked as a flex.
 
rizzler said:
so Im doing a myteam mockdraft... all my settings and scoring are correct. ive checked them over 1000000times. and cant find whats going on.I have DD set to draft as follows: 12 man pool standard scoring, all tds worth 6QB starters 1 / spots 2WR 3 / 5RB 2 / 4TE 1 / 2K 1 / 1Def 1 / 1no flex. So, mock draft begins (other teams drafting via ADP)... for example, im drafting at the 8 spot. rnd 1 - rodgers. rnd 2 - miles austin/ rnd 3- tony romo!?!?!?!?why on earth am I drafting my second QB in round 3? this cannot possibly be correct, can it? I understand it's all based on value, but doesnt the program recognize I have a starting qb in rodgers, can only start 1, and have serious needs at other positions? (it is round 3 after all)any advice? normal? i know you dont take the program for gospel, but these just seems odd!
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I just ran a test to see if I could duplicate it and the results aren't matching yours from the start. Started a new league with the current version and projections, set the starting line up min and max as you said and rounds of draft to 15, adjusted QB TDs to 6 points, set baseline to worst starter, set my team to team 8 and left everything else rest as is. Rodgers gets taken at the 6th pick so he's not even available at pick 8 for you to take. So you have to be doing something else if he's even available at pick 8. Rodgers is QB2, overall player 7, 377.5 FP, 80 VBD. What is he showing as in yours?
 
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GregR said:
Rodgers gets taken at the 6th pick so he's not even available at pick 8 for you to take. So you have to be doing something else if he's even available at pick 8. Rodgers is QB2, overall player 7, 377.5 FP, 80 VBD. What is he showing as in yours?
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not at home currently.. so I can;t tell u just now... I upgraded DD yesterday (maybe there is a new update)? as well... 1pt per 20pass yds.. 1point for 10yd rush/rec... 6 for tds... -2 for ints AND fumblesusing "joes secret formula"I do know for sure Rodgers was QB1
 
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rizzler said:
GregR said:
Rodgers gets taken at the 6th pick so he's not even available at pick 8 for you to take. So you have to be doing something else if he's even available at pick 8. Rodgers is QB2, overall player 7, 377.5 FP, 80 VBD. What is he showing as in yours?
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not at home currently.. so I can;t tell u just now... I upgraded DD yesterday (maybe there is a new update)? as well... 1pt per 20pass yds.. 1point for 10yd rush/rec... 6 for tds... -2 for ints AND fumbles

using "joes secret formula"

I do know for sure Rodgers was QB1
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Well, that sort of helped for a few seconds. That makes Rodgers QB1. But now Rodgers went with the 2nd pick. Correction, he goes with the 5th pick now... I didn't switch baselines to Joe's before.I don't know, maybe there was a projection update overnight or something. The latest DD is from yesterday.

And, surprising to me is that it also changed the draft order for the mocked teams. If the first 7 teams are drafting from Consensus ADP, why is a change in scoring system changing the order of players drafted from ADP? How is that changing ADP?

I did mock drafts with Consensus, with MFL, and with Magazine Average, and Rodgers continues to go with the 2nd pick each time now despite it showing his ADP as 8. It seems like the mock draft is selecting players based on DD's own suggestions and ignoring the ADP I selected to use.

And while I'm at it... am I the only person wishes that #### ###### ###### ####ing draft timer was shut off by default?

 
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GregR said:
rizzler said:
GregR said:
Rodgers gets taken at the 6th pick so he's not even available at pick 8 for you to take. So you have to be doing something else if he's even available at pick 8. Rodgers is QB2, overall player 7, 377.5 FP, 80 VBD. What is he showing as in yours?
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not at home currently.. so I can;t tell u just now... I upgraded DD yesterday (maybe there is a new update)? as well... 1pt per 20pass yds.. 1point for 10yd rush/rec... 6 for tds... -2 for ints AND fumbles

using "joes secret formula"

I do know for sure Rodgers was QB1
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Well, that sort of helped for a few seconds. That makes Rodgers QB1. But now Rodgers went with the 2nd pick. Correction, he goes with the 5th pick now... I didn't switch baselines to Joe's before.I don't know, maybe there was a projection update overnight or something. The latest DD is from yesterday.

And, surprising to me is that it also changed the draft order for the mocked teams. If the first 7 teams are drafting from Consensus ADP, why is a change in scoring system changing the order of players drafted from ADP? How is that changing ADP?

I did mock drafts with Consensus, with MFL, and with Magazine Average, and Rodgers continues to go with the 2nd pick each time now despite it showing his ADP as 8. It seems like the mock draft is selecting players based on DD's own suggestions and ignoring the ADP I selected to use.

And while I'm at it... am I the only person wishes that #### ###### ###### ####ing draft timer was shut off by default?
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I always forget to shut off the timer... until i hear the 'buzz' then pause it hahaha...as for the differences in draft order... i'm lost. even when I use projections dominator and set the weights to 25% among the 4 staff and apply it to DD... Rodgers still goes at the 8 spot as QB1, and it still tells me to grab Romo in rnd 3.

I updated yesterday, but the projections still said July 18 (even tho Owens says he's on CIN, so how could it be July18?)

I'm really confused... if all of our settings are the same, what am I, or are we missing?

UPDATE: eff me... the new DD version is out... version 'e'... I was using 'd'... will check when I get home if this changes anything

 
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While we're semi-hijacking this thread, does anyone know a good way to add some more variability to mock drafts?

I ran about 30 last night and I pretty much kept drafting the exact same team over and over based on the fact that the same people kept on being taken by the CPU.

It would be nice to have some variations to see what happens if there are certain runs on players and how different strategies impact my total points.

 
Jene Bramel said:
GregR said:
And while I'm at it... am I the only person wishes that #### ###### ###### ####ing draft timer was shut off by default?
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You can disable the sound and/or extend the number of seconds for the timer and countdown in the setup menu.
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Yes, I know... my point is the default setting should be turned off and/or sound disabled. For every 1 time that I am doing something in DD where I actually want a draft timer, I do 20 other things preparing for drafts where I don't need it and jump out of my seat when the damn thing suddenly starts going off because I forgot to disable it in the setup.
 
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UPDATE: changed to version e... rechecked all my settings... and I get the same results as before.... rodgers 1, austin 2, romo 3...

SO HERES WHAT I DID:(and why does this make a difference?)

under SETUP and then TEAM NAMES, I left every team's "ADP List for Mocks" on CONSENSUS.

I then changed the "ADP list for Mocks" for my team (team 8) to EXPERT.

and guess what!? RESULTS CHANGED!!!! (more towards the type of results I was hoping for)

here are the first three round with this change:

rnd 1 - steven jackson

rnd 2 - miles austin

rnd 3 - tony romo

why would this change how DD is drafting MY TEAM? why would it matter what setting I have for "ADP list for Mocks" for MY team? I can understand how it drafts everyone else, but why mine? Isnt DD supposed to do it's thing regardless?

Am I supposed to now have this setting (expert for my team) when it comes to a real draft (eve tho the "Draft other teams by ADP" setting would be clicked OFF?)

Im sorry if this is confusing, but Im more lost than I was before.

 
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pghrob said:
I sent a PM to Bruce with a link to this thread requesting some assistance.
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Thanks, but I was hoping even someone who does not work at the site could shed some insight as to why this is... it odesnt matter who answers is, as long as I can wrap my head around what is going on.but thanks man!
 
rizzler said:
UPDATE: changed to version e... rechecked all my settings... and I get the same results as before.... rodgers 1, austin 2, romo 3...SO HERES WHAT I DID:(and why does this make a difference?)under SETUP and then TEAM NAMES, I left every team's "ADP List for Mocks" on CONSENSUS.I then changed the "ADP list for Mocks" for my team (team 8) to EXPERT.and guess what!? RESULTS CHANGED!!!! (more towards the type of results I was hoping for)here are the first three round with this change:rnd 1 - steven jacksonrnd 2 - miles austinrnd 3 - tony romowhy would this change how DD is drafting MY TEAM? why would it matter what setting I have for "ADP list for Mocks" for MY team? I can understand how it drafts everyone else, but why mine? Isnt DD supposed to do it's thing regardless?Am I supposed to now have this setting (expert for my team) when it comes to a real draft (eve tho the "Draft other teams by ADP" setting would be clicked OFF?)Im sorry if this is confusing, but Im more lost than I was before.
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Like GregR i've tried many configurations, ADP lists, etc and i can't get anything like what you are reporting. The earliest i've seen a backup qb recommended is at the top of the 5th round. something is strange with the set up you have. try the application forum or direct questions to Bruce. it might take a while for a response, but you will have better luck then working it through this thread.
 
OK, from some experimentation, here's what I've found. Bruce (or searching) will have to confirm. If you have 'draft other teams by ADP' checked, then it calculates the 'drop off' value by assuming that the other teams will be drafted by YOUR ADP list. So that is why the drop off and the DVBD change when you change your list. It still 'does its thing' (i.e. select the player with the highest value) but because it's making different assumptions about other people's behavior, then your results are going to be different.

So basically, yes, you should set your ADP list to what you want to assume the others will be drafting by in order to get your drop-off values correct. Or you need to set custom drop-offs or custom ADP. Basically, it makes sense that setting your list to Expert will give you decent results because it's assuming a worst case scenario for calculating your drop-offs. So then if people draft worse than that, you just kinda get pleasantly surprised that a better than anticipated player was available. It wont be optimal, but it will give you better results, probably, unless you're using custom values.

 
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