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Flacco is one of three or four (can't remember which) QB to have 4 road victories in the playoffs in the history of the NFL. Maybe if the Ravens could ever earn a home playoff game he would do a little better in the post season. On the two biggest plays late in the game yesterday, he delivered the ball in the numbers and both guys dropped them.
In winning terms, absolutely everything.
Flacco does not have it. But to say you wouldn't want Eli leading your team down the field in that situation after this ...(Manning, however, engineered a terrific drive as time ran down. The signature play: Manning, ducking and spinning, somehow avoided a severe rush, and Tyree managed to reel in a 33-yard catch -- he initially pinned the ball on his helmet with one hand -- giving New York the ball at the New England 24-yard line. With 35 seconds left, Manning hit Burress with a gorgeous 25-yard touchdown pass, and the Pats' perfect season had congealed, horribly, into the twisted wreckage of a shocking loss.)Means you have selective memory
True, but he has only played well in one of those games. In fact, his overall playoff numbers thus far are pretty dreadful. The fact that Joe Flacco has four playoff road wins just goes to show you how much the average NFL fan overrates and underrates quarterbacks when it comes to strictly looking at wins and losses.David Yudkin said:
This wasn't directed at me, but I'll just throw this out. One of the biggest reasons why that drive was so incredible was the actual fact that Eli Manning was the qb and literally no one thought he could do it. Change that situation, have it be Peyton Manning, and everyone on the planet would have EXPECTED him to make that drive. Look, Jamarcus Russell lead game winning drives, it doesn't make him clutch. In the NFL, when the game is on the line, some guys you EXPECT them to make the plays, others you HOPE to make the plays. Eli falls into the "hope" category. So does Flacco. So does ryan. As i said earlier, IMO only Peyton, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Brady, and Big Ben to I actually EXPECT to make the play with the game on the line. Romo, Vick, and to a lesser extent Schaub and Sanchez are kindof fringe between Hope and Expect. (sanchez is pretty bad in non-crunch time, but in the 4th quarter the guy is somehow money). And there is a whole other category of QBs I EXPECT TO FAIL when the game is on the line. Carson Palmer, Chad Henne, any Raiders QB, any Redskins QB, etcqimqam said:
I like Freeman alot. IMO he isn't quite there yet, but if you put a gun to my head and made me say who of the young guys I think are most likely to end up in this category in the future, I'm going Freeman, Sanchez, and Bradford over Eli, Ryan, and Flacco.
He isn't even better than Tony Banks.
FYI, Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring. But I think that Ravens team could have won without a QB.
) and now it's rook Torrey Smith and Boldin.
Ooof.
I would agree with this, assuming you meant "good enough" in the "Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson riding the far and away best defense in the NFL to a championship" sort of way.
Bob, I would consider upping that percentage...plus, I am a big believer in opportunity...not the opportunity to play, but the opportunity to play in an offense that not only is good, but also plays to the QBs strenghts.
I would include Colt McCoy, Tebow, Alex Smith I guess and eventually Dalton.
As someone without a horse in this race, I have to say that this is true. But at the same time, its frustrating as hell to watch this guy operate in the pocket. He will never be a QB who gets rid of the ball quickly, and he doesn't seem to have that innate timer in his head that many QB's do. He's clueless in the pocket more often than not. If this guy had gone to a team with a sub-par OL and running game, and a defense that didn't give him the ball so often (defense creates turnovers, gets off the field to allow the offense more opportunities, allows the offense to NOT play from behind often, allowing full use of the playbook to keep defenses guessing, etc.), he'd be screwed.
True, but not many QB's could lead a 92 yard drive to win on the road at Pittsburgh. He's calm and delivers under pressure, and he can make all of the throws. Not perfect, but a lot of teams sure wish they had a Joe Flacco.
This is basically where I'm at with him too. He's in that huge 2nd tier of guys who are good enough, on a great team, to push them over the edge.
1. You could say this about most QB's in the history of the NFL2. Worse QB's have won Super Bowls. Eli Manning was not any better than Flacco is now in 07. Then there is Dilfer in Ravens history alone.3. The team around him is good enough for him to be good enough and win one. This may not stay true for long though.He's not the franchise QB like Manning, Brees, Rodgers etc. That will likely never change. But he is at least average, if not slightly above average. I would not be as confident as you, unless it's more about the aging defense than it is Flacco's ability to lead a great team.
Fair point. How about this:He sucks.
Question: How many Quarterbacks currently in the NFL don't suck by your definition? Perhaps you could share a list with everyone so we could better understand your perspective.
No.
Careful, your dooshbagginess is showing.
Question: How many Quarterbacks currently in the NFL are awesome by your definition? Perhaps you could share a list with everyone so we could better understand your perspective.
