Is Gore 2007 going to be THAT bad w/o Turner? (1 Viewer)

[chook]

Yesterday by Smitty from FFXtreme:

STOCK COULD DROP SIGNIFICANTLY

(Some To Dud-Status)

Frank Gore: First of all, I am not saying that Frank Gore isn't talented, because he is, but Norv Turner has left for San Diego and Gore is about to take a major hit in the fantasy department. With the departure of Turner, automatically say goodbye to about 200-300 of Gore's receiving yards and about 300 or so of his rushing yards. He may still be capable of hitting 7-8TDs again next season, but our bigger concerns for Gore are his fumbling and long history of injuries. He has bad shoulders and has a long history of knee injuries. He did stay healthy all of last season, that does say a lot, but we don't think he will start even 14 games in 2007. The smartest thing to do is to let Gore slip past you unless you have a 8+ overall pick in your 2007 draft. Drafting him at the 8-10 spot will serve you fine, but grabbing him anywhere near the top 3-4 could be a big mistake. Just be sure that if you grab Gore, snag Michael Robinson as well.

Pardon the pun, but that prognosis seems a little extreme.

A major hit?

May still be capable of 7-8 TDs?

I'd be SHOCKED if he didn't reach double figures.

Goodbye to 200-300 receiving yards?

So he could be below 200 total? That's a massive drop.

I know he has an injury history, and I know it's been discussed at length in other posts on here, but Frank Gore is an absolute beast of a runner. His second effort is amazing, he led the league in yards after contact, which are clearly attributes of a player, not the system he's in.

Are the Niners simply going to hire a mongoloid as OC with no idea of how to run an offense, taking their young promising unit backwards? You'd think not.

Sure, sites have to put forward potential sleepers and busts - it's how they get readers, and yes Gore's talent was acknowledged in the article, but does Norv Turner's departure actually warrant such an attack on someone who most have as a top-5 back (some even have him top-3) next season, or is 'Smitty' just WELL off the mark on this one?

 

[Loco Barlow]

Frank "Gimpy" Gore = fool's gold

 

[Ned]

Frank "Gimpy" Gore = fool's gold

well done

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I don't know who "This guy" is,

but he has absolutely zero credibility in my book.

 

[Arnold. S]

I own Gore in a league and I'm definitly worried. Injury risk + loss of Norv Turner makes Gore very unappealing next season. There's really no denying Turner's impact on a running back's production. I'm not saying Gore was a product of Turner's system, in fact, Gore is very talented as we all know. But Gore does have an injury prone history and with the reduction in production bound to happen, his draft position should definitly be dropped a few spots.

 

[Rovers]

The sky is falling!

And no, I'm not a Gore owner and losing Turner isn't good, but some seem to think the entire offense will collapse. Not gonna happen. The 49'ers have improved the O line, Smith has two years under his belt, and while I'm not saying the SF offense will burn any barns down, this sort of collapse prediction is over the top imo.

Since when did predicting injuries become such a sure fire thing? Gore held up last year.... but that seems to be ignored here. Is the 49'er offense going to completely change? Did they lose the O line? Losing Turner is a setback, but not freakin armageddon. Some people will write anything to get attention.....

 

[lod2005]

I don't know who "This guy" is, but he has absolutely zero credibility in my book.

Smitty from FFXtreme is a nobody.

 

[Otis]

Frank "Gimpy" Gore = fool's gold

Sweet. You're back.

 

[crnerblitz]

I'm a Gore dynasty owner. Am I concerned? Yes. He has some risk. Am I gonna dump him for the first offer I get? No. I am open to trading him, and most likely will shop him to see what value he holds. At this point I believe that his reward justifies the risks in keeping him. As of a couple of weeks ago, I ranked him as RB#4 in dynasty leagues. I might bump him down a slot since losing Norv.

 

[deadzone]

Frank "Gimpy" Gore = fool's gold

Yeah, he is not as good as your namesake.

 

[Pole Cat]

Thinking the most significant off season development for Gore could be defensive improvements. Wouldn't it be nice if the offense didn't have to go 80+ yards every drive. Adalius Thomas anyone?

 

[DocNiner52]

The sky is falling!And no, I'm not a Gore owner and losing Turner isn't good, but some seem to think the entire offense will collapse. Not gonna happen. The 49'ers have improved the O line, Smith has two years under his belt, and while I'm not saying the SF offense will burn any barns down, this sort of collapse prediction is over the top imo. Since when did predicting injuries become such a sure fire thing? Gore held up last year.... but that seems to be ignored here. Is the 49'er offense going to completely change? Did they lose the O line? Losing Turner is a setback, but not freakin armageddon. Some people will write anything to get attention.....

I agree with you Rovers.No doubt Gore and the 9ers offense will feel the effect of Norv leaving. Will it be enough for me to drop Gore in my rankings. Yes, but no more than 2 spots. Yes I'm a homer and I believe in this guy and I think he'll be fine. Alex Smith has to get used to his 3rd OC in 3 years but I expect him to continue to progress as well. The 49ers are gonna be active in FA and they have like 8 picks in the first 4 rounds of the draft. I guarantee their defense is gonna be better than last year. To some that may not mean much but I'll take any improvement. Their D getting better is gonna help the offense. I'm not foolish to believe that Norv leaving won't hurt the O but I also believe in my team and that they'll get better. Say what you will about Gore's reduction in production and injury risk. That's all understandable and not without some thought and concern. The views are justifiable and I'm not going to knock anyone for their opinions on this situation. I'm a big time homer and I think he will suffer some because Norv is like gold to a running back. I just don't think he's gonna drop off that much. I'd even go out on a limb as to say I'm expecting the 49ers to finish with a better record than last year and quite possibly have a chance at making the playoffs. Scoff if you will, you're entitled to. Just watch. By season's end the 49ers will be better and working their way back to the elite in the NFL

 

[commisholio]

Unless something changes, it seems likely that Gore will get all the goal-line carries next year. Don't forget there was an experiment of about 6-8 games this year where Micheal Robinson got all the work inside the 5. I predict fewer yards but more TDs for Gore next year with him getting most to all of the work at the stripe.

 

[kensat30]

Lamont Jordan part 2?

 

[Rovers]

The sky is falling!And no, I'm not a Gore owner and losing Turner isn't good, but some seem to think the entire offense will collapse. Not gonna happen. The 49'ers have improved the O line, Smith has two years under his belt, and while I'm not saying the SF offense will burn any barns down, this sort of collapse prediction is over the top imo. Since when did predicting injuries become such a sure fire thing? Gore held up last year.... but that seems to be ignored here. Is the 49'er offense going to completely change? Did they lose the O line? Losing Turner is a setback, but not freakin armageddon. Some people will write anything to get attention.....

I agree with you Rovers.No doubt Gore and the 9ers offense will feel the effect of Norv leaving. Will it be enough for me to drop Gore in my rankings. Yes, but no more than 2 spots. Yes I'm a homer and I believe in this guy and I think he'll be fine. Alex Smith has to get used to his 3rd OC in 3 years but I expect him to continue to progress as well. The 49ers are gonna be active in FA and they have like 8 picks in the first 4 rounds of the draft. I guarantee their defense is gonna be better than last year. To some that may not mean much but I'll take any improvement. Their D getting better is gonna help the offense. I'm not foolish to believe that Norv leaving won't hurt the O but I also believe in my team and that they'll get better. Say what you will about Gore's reduction in production and injury risk. That's all understandable and not without some thought and concern. The views are justifiable and I'm not going to knock anyone for their opinions on this situation. I'm a big time homer and I think he will suffer some because Norv is like gold to a running back. I just don't think he's gonna drop off that much. I'd even go out on a limb as to say I'm expecting the 49ers to finish with a better record than last year and quite possibly have a chance at making the playoffs. Scoff if you will, you're entitled to. Just watch. By season's end the 49ers will be better and working their way back to the elite in the NFL

Sort of reminds me of how everyone buried both your team, and mine, the Jets last year. We were gonna battle it out for this year's #1 draft pick. I called both teams out as most under rated at that time. Because of a weak scedule, the Jets surprised, but I see once again both of these teams being around the .500 mark this year. 7 to 9 wins, with a pssobility of one of them surprising again, but I see both teams as viable contenders in 2008. Both teams have some holes to fill. Both have done a job job of drafting and in the FA market. With the right player moves, either team could win ten games this year. Since Turner's O worked well, even with a new OC, I don't think the scheme will change all that much, or the play calling. But one thing, keep yer hands off of A Thomas. The Jets need him!Um.... "Lamont Jordan part 2"? That was so far out of left field, it must have been air mailed.

 

[chook]

I don't know who "This guy" is, but he has absolutely zero credibility in my book.

Smitty from FFXtreme is a nobody.

Don't get me wrong, I hold nothing this guys says as gospel, however he is the site owner & Bloom was in their experts mock draft.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Thinking the most significant off season development for Gore could be defensive improvements. Wouldn't it be nice if the offense didn't have to go 80+ yards every drive. Adalius Thomas anyone?

and not just for that reason.Improved defense means more garbage time carries. That's huge.BTW--a loss of OC doesn't usually mean much in terms of FF production. The system's already there. If it works, they're not changing it. The players aren't changing.Therefore, you're talking about "intangibles", or motivating factors. If you can't get motivated to play on Sundays, you aren't going to be there to begin with.Changing of coaches is usually a non-factor, or at least, a LOT less than people make them out to be.

 

[Domination]

Gore's stock rose at an expenential rate over this past year. It was the first that he stayed mostly healthy in his career. I think the loss of Turner will hurt, but don't think that it is the deciding factor. IMO I think that Gore had his career year last year, and didn't think that even with Turner he would be able to duplicate it. Fantasy-wise i see him as a definite sell high. I think that his production was going to drop off, and now without Turner it is definitely on the downside.

 

[Colin Dowling]

His health will be a bigger factor then losing Turner. That said, losing an OC that has demonstrated the ability to get the most out of his RBs is certainly not going to help.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's the history on RBs the year after Turner left town:

Emmitt: 1484/381/22

SDavis: 1432/205/5

LT: 1683/489/15

Ricky Williams: Retired

Jordan: Got hurt

Other than Jordan, the other guys seemed to do fairly well.

 

[Otis]

Lamont Jordan part 2?

XThe difference being that Jordan is an average NFL back at best, and Gore is one of the best runners in the league.

 

[Domination]

Lamont Jordan part 2?

XThe difference being that Jordan is an average NFL back at best, and Gore is one of the best runners in the league.

Wow, one good year and now one of the best in the league. He is a good RB who couldn't even beat out K Barlow his first year. I don't anticipate a dropoff like Lam J this year from Gore, even though LJ was hurt. But one of the best in the league, not even close. You could have said the same about Caddy the year before, oh wait alot of people did. I try to go off of the body of work, not one good year, before I will annoint him one of the best in the league.

 

[derek19]

2006 Offensive line:

Right Tackle: Kwame Harris

Right Guard: Justin Smiley

Center: Tony Wragge

Left Guard: Larry Allen (40 reps of 225)

Left Tackle: Jonas Jennings

Projected 2007 Offensive Line:

Right Tackle: Kwame Harris

Right Guard: Justin Smiley

Center: Tony Wragge

Left Guard: Larry Allen (40 reps of 225)

Left Tackle: Jonas Jennings

Norv called the plays but the players performed the plays. The 9ers are going to have the same O-line and may have an even better O-line next year with the addition of Davis or Stienbach.

Gore will still be a top 5 RB next year...

 

[derek19]

Lamont Jordan part 2?

XThe difference being that Jordan is an average NFL back at best, and Gore is one of the best runners in the league.

Wow, one good year and now one of the best in the league. He is a good RB who couldn't even beat out K Barlow his first year. I don't anticipate a dropoff like Lam J this year from Gore, even though LJ was hurt. But one of the best in the league, not even close. You could have said the same about Caddy the year before, oh wait alot of people did. I try to go off of the body of work, not one good year, before I will annoint him one of the best in the league.

Barlow: 176 rushing attempts for 581yrds, 3.3ypc.Gore: 127 rushing attempts for 608yrds, 4.8ypc.

Gore rushed 49 times less than barlow but still had more yards. If Gore rushed 176 times, he would of had 844 yards.

Barlow sucks..

 

[Trap Play]

Here's the history on RBs the year after Turner left town:

Emmitt: 1484/381/22

SDavis: 1432/205/5

LT: 1683/489/15

Ricky Williams: Retired

Jordan: Had a manequin for HC, a B&B owner for an OC, andGot hurt

Other than Jordan, the other guys seemed to do fairly well.

Seriously,