Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
is Henry a top 5 RB in 2007? I could see him putting up huge numbers in that scheme. I'd say 1500 and 15 TD's...am I off based?
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Is Henry top 5 in Denver? (1 Viewer)
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
IMO, that's a little high. Could see him cracking the top 10 though.
Coin Flip
Footballguy
I would like to read more on this before getting too excited...it still is Shanny! If they would commit to a back...I say definately top 10......but they rarely do. Broncos have one of the best if not the best O line on earth
perry147
Footballguy
Top 10 is about right - But Denver could still sign someone else and Shanny hates RB who fumble (which TH has struggled with in the past.).
CalBear
Footballguy
The Denver back Henry most resembles is Mike Anderson. Anderson did have 1500/15 in 2000, but I don't think Denver's rushing attack is as potent now as it was then, particularly with a green QB. If Henry is the undisputed starter (which seems likely at this point), I think 1500 total yards is a good lower bound, but 15 TDs seems too high. The entire Denver rushing offense produced just 11 TDs in 2006. I'd project him for 1500/10 with upside as Denver's featured back.
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
He did put up 1438 and 13 TD in 2002, so with Denver's O-Line I think 1500 is easily within reach.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
it's within reach but there is Mike Bell to consider. I see something like 1250-1350/9-11
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
Agreed, thats why I think he could be a top 5 RB.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Right...I'm not sure Shanny wants to give Henry the ultra workhorse load if Bell can help shoulder the weight...Denver is usually in the playoff hunt.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Good question.
Another question is what would u trade for him right now. It would probaly take a nice young rb or high draft pick to land him so whats his market value now?
Another question is what would u trade for him right now. It would probaly take a nice young rb or high draft pick to land him so whats his market value now?
zamboni
Footballguy
Exactly. While Henry should do well in this system, too many seem to be extrapolating the Denver rushing attack in the TD/Portis years to today. It may very well not be the same anymore.
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
I think he is a low end #1 RB with the potential to be an elite #1. I would take him over players like Rudy, Portis, and McGahee.
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I think Denver's O line was better back then. If not better they were just perfect for Shanny's scheme. The lack of a QB that worries a D is also quite different now.
Henry has a pretty big burden here. They'll need him to carry them while Cutler struggles and D's will know that.
Seems pretty different to me.
I don't think he'll be top 10 at this point in time. Once I see what other moves they make maybe I'll change my mind then.
Henry has a pretty big burden here. They'll need him to carry them while Cutler struggles and D's will know that.
Seems pretty different to me.
I don't think he'll be top 10 at this point in time. Once I see what other moves they make maybe I'll change my mind then.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
It appears to be tremendously over-inflated.
I think we need an icon similar to the one for these purposes.:dynastyowner: with skewed perspective
bostonfred
Footballguy
I've never believed that Henry is a top flight talent, but he's a good runner, and Cutler's inexperienced. Good coaches lean hard on their running game when they have a rookie QB. The Broncos would have done that more last year but they were having as many issues with their backs as they were with their QB. This year, I think Cutler's still going to be a little green, so I would expect more rushing from the Broncos than normal. I also think that Henry is better than the bells, he's the clear #1 on the team right now, and he can score, so I would expect him to put up top tier numbers.
If you look at the Broncos the past decade or so, they've had plenty of rushing TDs when they've had a good running back, and not many when they've had a sucky one or a RBBC. This shouldn't be surprising. So the only question is how good Henry is. I think he's 1) better than any of the guys they've had recently, and more importantly, 2) he's going to get a greater portion of the carries than the other guys they've had recently. The Broncos have also gotten rid of a bootlegging QB who tended to run or flip the ball; I would expect a more traditional running game from Shanny this year.
I don't know exactly where I'd draft him just yet, but at this moment, it looks like he's an instant first rounder in redrafts with the potential to end up as high as #1 overall.
If you look at the Broncos the past decade or so, they've had plenty of rushing TDs when they've had a good running back, and not many when they've had a sucky one or a RBBC. This shouldn't be surprising. So the only question is how good Henry is. I think he's 1) better than any of the guys they've had recently, and more importantly, 2) he's going to get a greater portion of the carries than the other guys they've had recently. The Broncos have also gotten rid of a bootlegging QB who tended to run or flip the ball; I would expect a more traditional running game from Shanny this year.
I don't know exactly where I'd draft him just yet, but at this moment, it looks like he's an instant first rounder in redrafts with the potential to end up as high as #1 overall.
Rudy keeps producing and getting knocked down in rankings. I don't get it. You're not alone I just...well I don't understand it. Very solid player, seems like a limitted risk in FF, that's pretty sweet.
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
Well said, Bostonfred.
Not sure what ya mean here. Dynasty wise Henry can't have all too much value, he changes teams just way too much and Denver has changed backs quite a bit too.It appears to be tremendously over-inflated.I think we need an icon similar to the
one for these purposes.
:dynastyowner: with skewed perspective
Dope
Footballguy
What would we say if Deuce McAllister was sent to Denver? Travis and Deuce have pretty similar career stats.
Deuce
1298 carries
5586 yards
4.3 avg
44 TD's
Travis
1321 carries
5395 yards
4.1 avg
34 TD's
I think top 5 might be a little bit of a stretch only because he won't get LT/S-Jax/Westy receiving numbers.
Deuce
1298 carries
5586 yards
4.3 avg
44 TD's
Travis
1321 carries
5395 yards
4.1 avg
34 TD's
I think top 5 might be a little bit of a stretch only because he won't get LT/S-Jax/Westy receiving numbers.
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
what about the Ds impact? This seems somewhat predictable to me
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I rarely disagree with Fred, but the "#1 overall" talk is being overly optimistic IMHO. LT, LJ, SA and SJax are still in the league.Silly Fred.Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
Wow! That would certainly put him top 5!
LHUCKS
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
The negative case for Henry is that the offensive line isn't as good as it used to be and that the offense isn't as good as it used to be. The positive case for Henry is that the offensive line has been world class in the past, and is still good enough to make a couple of scrub backs look better than they were, while the passing game is good enough to get some big plays while the team relies even more heavily than in the past on the running game to move the chains and score TDs. Look at how some of the top coaches have broken in their young QBs. Antowain Smith had a big year when Brady came out. Tomlinson had his best year ever when Rivers finally started. Henry had his resurgent year when Young started. It seems like this happens fairly often. I expect the same thing here. As for how effective he'd be behind the Denver O line, I think Denver's line is better than Tennessee's, and I think Henry's better than either Bell. So I would expect him to do better than his numbers in Tennessee would suggest, and better than the Denver backs did the last couple years.
A warrior like Henry is easily top 5 in Denver, my only decision is whether to take him over Jackson and LJ. I still rank LT #1, but only slightly over Henry.
bostonfred
Footballguy
To clarify, I would not draft him #1 overall. I'm saying that he's one of a small handful of backs in the league with a reasonable chance of ending the season #1 overall. He could be a huge bust, too. But it's such a huge advantage to have that #1 guy that you have to mention it when discussing his value.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
14-18 slot.
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
Agreed Fred. I think he has incredible potential and could be a guy that could easily lead a fantasy team to a title.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
throw the crackpipe away man..I'm as big a Bronco
as there is and I just don't see him getting anymore than maybe 1300 yards and 7-9 scores, little better than he did in TEN...I just can't discount Mike Bell's presence and his effect on Henry's potential numbers....
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Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
I thought I read that he got $12 million guaranteed. If thats the case, that lessens my concern over Bell stealing too much. They didnt pay him that well to not give him the ball.htrow the crackpipe away man..I'm as big a Bronco
Kegs & Eggs
Footballguy
I think he seriously outperforms that range.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Meaning Henry won't have to get his own Gatorade anymore... keeping him fresher for games?
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Pass it to the left, bro....
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
So someone said that he would have to shoulder more with Cutler at qb till Cutler develops....
Well isnt that what he did with Vince....he ran hard with a team with a terrible line.
Its scary what he might can do in denvers offense.
Its also hard to get a feel of what he's worth in dynastys right now as well...(top 3 rookie pick)??? Benson? Maroney? Addai? Caddy? Drew? Ronnie B? Bush? McGahee?
Not sure where to place his value at the moment but for those teams looking to make a run at this year....i suppose he would mean alot to then.
Well isnt that what he did with Vince....he ran hard with a team with a terrible line.
Its scary what he might can do in denvers offense.
Its also hard to get a feel of what he's worth in dynastys right now as well...(top 3 rookie pick)??? Benson? Maroney? Addai? Caddy? Drew? Ronnie B? Bush? McGahee?
Not sure where to place his value at the moment but for those teams looking to make a run at this year....i suppose he would mean alot to then.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Hmmm...I guess it's possible, but not likely.Now let's look at his downside...he hasn't played in 15 games since 2003. :XTo clarify, I would not draft him #1 overall. I'm saying that he's one of a small handful of backs in the league with a reasonable chance of ending the season #1 overall. He could be a huge bust, too. But it's such a huge advantage to have that #1 guy that you have to mention it when discussing his value.
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Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
I see three problems that can stop Henry from having a top 5ish season.1. Fumbling - Let's not forget the fumbling problem he had in Buffalo, yes he did not fumble much with the Titans but this problem could come back.2. 1 mistake away from being suspended for a whole year.3. Shanny - M Bell could start, they go more RBBC, draft a RB that falls into their lap,
salmonstud
Footballguy
That is just plain crazy talk.
I cant believe what Im reading
You guys have way too much confidence in Shanny to give the rock to henry and after the past couple of years I dont trust him one bit. I dont trust Henry's talent either. I'll avoid this mess like the plague and grab Mike bell late in the draft if anything.
You guys have way too much confidence in Shanny to give the rock to henry and after the past couple of years I dont trust him one bit. I dont trust Henry's talent either. I'll avoid this mess like the plague and grab Mike bell late in the draft if anything.
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
Mike Anderson after the 1st 3 games:
Season Team G GS Att Yard Avg TD Target Rec Yard Avg TD
2000 DEN 16 12 297 1,500 5.1 15 - 23 169 7.3 0
Just putting some numbers of the last back that didn't share any carries.
Season Team G GS Att Yard Avg TD Target Rec Yard Avg TD
2000 DEN 16 12 297 1,500 5.1 15 - 23 169 7.3 0
Just putting some numbers of the last back that didn't share any carries.
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That was five years ago!
I cant believe what Im reading
Travis Henry is somethign of a boost for Mike Bell's value, in the sense that from an age, talent, and off-the-field perspective he's not a slam-dunk. I think it's an open competition between these two for the bulk of the carries.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Thank you for some much needed perspective.I thought I wondered into bizarro-world...I cant believe what Im reading
Thom Yorke
Footballguy
You can certainly make a case for Henry in the top 5, after LT, LJ, and SJAX, but to say that he's "easily" top 5 is a real stretch. To even mention Henry in the same breath as a guy who scored 31 TD last year is just crazy talk.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Nah...you just wandered into "I have Henry on my dynasty squad" world.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
this guy gets it.I cant believe what Im reading
Look behind the numbers, the games he has missed weren't due to injury. 2004 he got slightly dinged up and was benched for McGahee for the rest of the season. 2005 he was suspended 4 games, got in the doghouse because of it and spent the rest of the year in RBBC with Brown. 2006, he was inactivate for 2 games early in the season as Tennessee was imploding in on itself and playing the rotating backfield. He wasn't listed on the injury report either of those 2 weeks.Hmmm...I guess it's possible, but not likely.Now let's look at his downside...he hasn't played in 15 games since 2003. :XTo clarify, I would not draft him #1 overall. I'm saying that he's one of a small handful of backs in the league with a reasonable chance of ending the season #1 overall. He could be a huge bust, too. But it's such a huge advantage to have that #1 guy that you have to mention it when discussing his value.I rarely disagree with Fred, but the "#1 overall" talk is being overly optimistic IMHO. LT, LJ, SA and SJax are still in the league.Silly Fred.
