Is it too early to call Matt Leinart a bust? (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

I realize that he's young, but he's had the starting job and lost it, and also lost an open competition this year.

Is it a case of Warner simply being too good or do you think the consensus is that Leinart will never be a great quarterback?

 

[Aaronl5]

Yes it is too early.

 

[ratbast]

Last year was too early.

 

[JuniorNB]

Last year was too early.

I know. That's why I waited until this year to pose the question.

 

[munchkin]

Scott Wright who does a pretty good job of scouting players for Draft Countdown thinks so. I would have excerpted the quote but the formatting doesn't allow me to. There is an answer to a question regarding USC skill players in general and Reggie Bush in particular you can look at if you want.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Ask.../12-17-2008.php

 

[kd1]

not really too early. the likelihood of him turning it around in a big way at this point is rather low.

while on the subject, what do you guys think the chances of him starting week 17 are?

 

[pack66]

I think it's too early. I think history is littered with high draft pick QBs that teams gave up on too early who later became valuable starters.

Trent Dilfer comes to mind. Sure, he's no Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in terms of ability and his team went to the superbowl because of the defense...but he also did his part in not screwing it up.

Leinart and David Carr, may just need some time to mature and gain experience as well as find the right situation/offensive scheme for their talents.

Maybe not as good of an example, but Rich Gannon also comes to mind as well.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Scott Wright who does a pretty good job of scouting players for Draft Countdown thinks so. I would have excerpted the quote but the formatting doesn't allow me to. There is an answer to a question regarding USC skill players in general and Reggie Bush in particular you can look at if you want.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Ask.../12-17-2008.php

I certainly never believed Bush would be an everydown, impact back, but if this guy is right in what "football" people know and assume, why did he go in the top 3 picks? You cant tell me its all hype when a guy like Brady Quinn, who had exposure, success and actually showed some proficently running an NFL offense, fell to the 23rd pick. And I think we've had a fairly small sample, but just looking at him, it seems to me that Leinhart doesn't have the skills to suceed in the NFL arm-wise.

 

[Slider]

It wouldn't be if it wasn't Kurt Warner in front of him.

 

[kd1]

I think it's too early. I think history is littered with high draft pick QBs that teams gave up on too early who later became valuable starters.

Trent Dilfer comes to mind. Sure, he's no Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in terms of ability and his team went to the superbowl because of the defense...but he also did his part in not screwing it up.

Leinart and David Carr, may just need some time to mature and gain experience as well as find the right situation/offensive scheme for their talents.

Maybe not as good of an example, but Rich Gannon also comes to mind as well.

wow...slow down there. this is david carr's EIGHTH year in the league, and he started 6 of them. if it ain't too early to call david carr a bust...

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think we need a definition of bust, first.

 

[parasaurolophus]

he is a bust. A big one.

 

[Phurfur]

not really too early. the likelihood of him turning it around in a big way at this point is rather low.while on the subject, what do you guys think the chances of him starting week 17 are?

Aaron Rodger was on the bench in his third year, is he a bust?

 

[Chaka]

There is no shame in getting beat out by Kurt Warner.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

It wouldn't be if it wasn't Kurt Warner in front of him.

Leinart reminds me of a carbon copy of David Carr. Holds onto the ball too long, scampers out of the pocket when not necessary. Not to mention Leinart's arm is mediocre (at best).

 

[munchkin]

It wouldn't be if it wasn't Kurt Warner in front of him.

Leinart reminds me of a carbon copy of David Carr. Holds onto the ball too long, scampers out of the pocket when not necessary. Not to mention Leinart's arm is mediocre (at best).

Lose the Avtar.....

 

[bcr8f]

I think we need a definition of bust, first.

Is Kolb a bust because he remains the backup? Warner is an awful good QB.

 

[benbadman]

Let's be honest. Matt Leinart is the bust QB of the class of 2006.

Cutler is a pro bowl QB in his 3rd year

Vince has a winning record as a starting QB and made the playoffs in year 2.

2 out of 3 of those "top 10" QB picks (yes Cutler was #11 overall technically) are servicable NFL QBs. Sorry Leinart fanboys, that's the breaks.

The interesting footnote in Matt Leinart's history is that he could have come out of college after his junior year, been picked #1 by the 49ers, then another team would have scooped up the mega bust that is Alex Smith.

 

[pack66]

I think it's too early. I think history is littered with high draft pick QBs that teams gave up on too early who later became valuable starters.

Trent Dilfer comes to mind. Sure, he's no Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in terms of ability and his team went to the superbowl because of the defense...but he also did his part in not screwing it up.

Leinart and David Carr, may just need some time to mature and gain experience as well as find the right situation/offensive scheme for their talents.

Maybe not as good of an example, but Rich Gannon also comes to mind as well.

wow...slow down there. this is david carr's EIGHTH year in the league, and he started 6 of them. if it ain't too early to call david carr a bust..

Lol. Wow has it really been that long? Ok safe to say Carr is a bust. I guess my point is that I don't think its too late for a resurrection for Carr and definitely not for Leinart. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those two find the right situation and do well later in their careers ala Dilfer/Gannon. But yeah, Carr is definitely a bust and Leinart is headed that way. Like others have said, Warner is pretty damn good Qb and that has something to do with it too.

 

[RJS113]

not really too early. the likelihood of him turning it around in a big way at this point is rather low.while on the subject, what do you guys think the chances of him starting week 17 are?

I picked up Leinart and Young a few weeks ago to give myself some more options if Cutler doesn't play next week. It wouldn't suprise me if Leinart starts.

 

[RC94]

I think he is a bust, but it doesn't mean it's hopeless. He is still young enough where he has time to maybe become a starter in the NFL one day. However, from a fantasy perspective, I will let someone else use the roster spot waiting and hoping for that to happen.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Leinart is a bust in the sense that he was handed the QB job in Arizona and couldn't hold it. We talked to Adam Schefter this summer, and I asked him about Leinart/Warner:

BLOOM: This week, many training camps getting under way, and it's an exciting time for us because we get to watch these training camp battles start. One of the ones we'll be watching most closely, in Arizona, at quarterback - Matt Leinart and Kurt Warner. Everybody could see that Warner was the better quarterback last year. How much slack is the team going to give Leinart or is this really a straight up battle and if Warner outplays him in camp, it's Warner's job?

SCHEFTER: I think it's Matt Leinart's job to lose. And if Matt Leinart doesn't win it, then something is wrong with his future and the Cardinals have a problem and they don't have their answer for their quarterback of the future because he's been the guy that they are banking on, that they've invested in that they think will seize that position. He's had the chance to grow up, to mature, to fix some things, to work harder and I just think that, it's Matt Leinart's time. Now, Kurt Warner has been a great player in this league for a long time and still can be a valuable contributor in Arizona. I know he thinks he can start and he could start for some teams in the league. But again, you're taking a guy like Matt Leinart, at the #10 position, who led the productive career he did at USC, they are waiting for him to be a star. This is his time. If he's not a star now, when is he going to be the star?

Now, could this year be a wake up call for Leinart? You would think last year was. He's had chances to ratchet up his game and preparation already. He's a bust. Could he be reincarnated as a decent QB elsewhere? If he has a "Road to Damascus" moment like Matt Jones, maybe, but I think it's clear he'll never be a franchise QB in the NFL, and as far as Im concerned, that means he's a bust.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Let's be honest. Matt Leinart is the bust QB of the class of 2006.

Cutler is a pro bowl QB in his 3rd year

Vince has a winning record as a starting QB and made the playoffs in year 2.

2 out of 3 of those "top 10" QB picks (yes Cutler was #11 overall technically) are servicable NFL QBs. Sorry Leinart fanboys, that's the breaks.

The interesting footnote in Matt Leinart's history is that he could have come out of college after his junior year, been picked #1 by the 49ers, then another team would have scooped up the mega bust that is Alex Smith.

If I had to guess, I'd bet that more people would rather have Matt Leinart as their starting QB than Vince Young. At the least, I think it would be very close.

 

[lyon812]

Let's be honest. Matt Leinart is the bust QB of the class of 2006.

Cutler is a pro bowl QB in his 3rd year

Vince has a winning record as a starting QB and made the playoffs in year 2.

2 out of 3 of those "top 10" QB picks (yes Cutler was #11 overall technically) are servicable NFL QBs. Sorry Leinart fanboys, that's the breaks.

The interesting footnote in Matt Leinart's history is that he could have come out of college after his junior year, been picked #1 by the 49ers, then another team would have scooped up the mega bust that is Alex Smith.

At this point, I don't think you can classify Vince as a non-bust. He's on the fence as much as Leinart.

 

[LHUCKS]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Let's be honest. Matt Leinart is the bust QB of the class of 2006.

Cutler is a pro bowl QB in his 3rd year

Vince has a winning record as a starting QB and made the playoffs in year 2.

2 out of 3 of those "top 10" QB picks (yes Cutler was #11 overall technically) are servicable NFL QBs. Sorry Leinart fanboys, that's the breaks.

The interesting footnote in Matt Leinart's history is that he could have come out of college after his junior year, been picked #1 by the 49ers, then another team would have scooped up the mega bust that is Alex Smith.

If I had to guess, I'd bet that more people would rather have Matt Leinart as their starting QB than Vince Young. At the least, I think it would be very close.

Starting as thier fantasy QB or the starting QB for their franchise?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

 

[joffer]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

he meant the Arena league

 

[LHUCKS]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

A) He has all the toolsB) He has shown flashes of brilliance when given the opportunity to play...awesome poise, accuracy, decision making at times.

What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

Warner is a better QB right now...which is why he was being mentioned in MVP conversations. That's impossible for any young, inexperienced QB to get past.Matt Leinart is the most underrated QB in the entire NFL right now. It amuses me that people actually believe Cassel is better than Leinart...must be the same idiots that were pimping Vince Young.

 

[LHUCKS]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

he meant the Arena league

I think you missed the words Pro Bowl....let's try to make sense when making useless comments.

 

[Unlucky]

LHUCKS thinks Leinart will be great because he's a PAC-10 QB. Just like the other PAC-10 QBs that we labeled busts too early, like Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, and Akili Smith, Leinart will go on to prove the doubters wrong.

 

[5x champ]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

A) He has all the toolsB) He has shown flashes of brilliance when given the opportunity to play...awesome poise, accuracy, decision making at times.

What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

Warner is a better QB right now...which is why he was being mentioned in MVP conversations. That's impossible for any young, inexperienced QB to get past.Matt Leinart is the most underrated QB in the entire NFL right now. It amuses me that people actually believe Cassel is better than Leinart...must be the same idiots that were pimping Vince Young.

He has all of the tools? Yeah, surrounding him he has the best tools a QB can ask for. An above average pass blocking O line, and the best duo of wideouts the NFL has to offer. And he still couldn't succeed because he doesn't have the physical tools within him.Arm strength has been a concern since day one and he's never proven to have even an average NFL arm during his playing time. Another problem is his footwork. They were talking about changing his footwork because he can't even drop back from center properly, and once he started working on it he was basically tripping over himself. I'd consider basic coordination to be a tool the NFL is looking for in a QB.

 

[LHUCKS]

And he still couldn't succeed because he doesn't have the physical tools within him.

A) I don't know what this means, "physical tools within him"...what are you taking about?B) How did he not succeed? Because he got beat out by an MVP candidate?? Okay.

Arm strength has been a concern since day one and he's never proven to have even an average NFL arm during his playing time.

A) He has an above average armB) Jamarcus Russel has an awesome arm, so did Dave Klingler. Pro Bowlers Jeff Garcia and Drew Brees have "weak" or "average" arms. Arm strength is the most overrated factor by the media and NFL "experts"...it's almost to the point where it's laughable.

Another problem is his footwork. They were talking about changing his footwork because he can't even drop back from center properly, and once he started working on it he was basically tripping over himself.

"Tripping over himself" is exaggeration at its finest, but everyone knows this was a simple area of improvement for Matt and Cards coaches repeatedly have stated he's vastly improved now.

I'd consider basic coordination to be a tool the NFL is looking for in a QB.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

A) He has all the toolsB) He has shown flashes of brilliance when given the opportunity to play...awesome poise, accuracy, decision making at times.

What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

Warner is a better QB right now...which is why he was being mentioned in MVP conversations. That's impossible for any young, inexperienced QB to get past.Matt Leinart is the most underrated QB in the entire NFL right now. It amuses me that people actually believe Cassel is better than Leinart...must be the same idiots that were pimping Vince Young.

Taking up for Leinart and yet you still call AJ Hawk a bust? Come on man. All the tools? Flashes of brilliance? You aren't even trying anymore. You used to at least attempt to back up your pompous arrogance in the past with some sort of tangible statistics.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

A) He has all the toolsB) He has shown flashes of brilliance when given the opportunity to play...awesome poise, accuracy, decision making at times.

What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

Warner is a better QB right now...which is why he was being mentioned in MVP conversations. That's impossible for any young, inexperienced QB to get past.Matt Leinart is the most underrated QB in the entire NFL right now. It amuses me that people actually believe Cassel is better than Leinart...must be the same idiots that were pimping Vince Young.

He seems to be missing dedication to the game and the ability to gain the confidence of his coaches and teammates - that's more important than any tool in my book.He had some moments early in his career, but they dwindled last year. By all accounts, he was the Arizona starting QB this year unless he imploded in training camp/preseason. He did. Warner didn't beat him as much as Leinart beat himself. You are playing revisionist historian by saying he was beaten out by MVP candidate Warner. It looked like Leinart was still going to be the starter until he laid one of the biggest eggs of the preseason (4 for 12 with 3 INTs). Arizona really wanted Leinart to be the starter this year, it was only after he played so badly that he gave them no choice but to bench him that Warner was named the starter.When the final story on Leinart and VY is written they will have made a lot of us look bad for backing them, not because they lacked the physical ability to hang in the NFL, but because they lacked the mental toughness, leadership, and willingness to dedicate themselves completely to the game.

 

[LHUCKS]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

A) He has all the toolsB) He has shown flashes of brilliance when given the opportunity to play...awesome poise, accuracy, decision making at times.

What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

Warner is a better QB right now...which is why he was being mentioned in MVP conversations. That's impossible for any young, inexperienced QB to get past.Matt Leinart is the most underrated QB in the entire NFL right now. It amuses me that people actually believe Cassel is better than Leinart...must be the same idiots that were pimping Vince Young.

Taking up for Leinart and yet you still call AJ Hawk a bust? Come on man. All the tools? Flashes of brilliance? You aren't even trying anymore. You used to at least attempt to back up your pompous arrogance in the past with some sort of tangible statistics.

You can't always see poise, smarts and decision making in statistics...these are qualitative observations. I've watched every NFL snap of Matt's, the kid is going to be good if he can keep his head straight, which I think he will.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Matt Leinart will play in at least one Pro Bowl before his career is over.

Care to unpack that? What have you seen that makes you believe that? What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

A) He has all the toolsB) He has shown flashes of brilliance when given the opportunity to play...awesome poise, accuracy, decision making at times.

What is your explanation for how his career has gone so far if you think he is still a pro bowl quality QB?

Warner is a better QB right now...which is why he was being mentioned in MVP conversations. That's impossible for any young, inexperienced QB to get past.Matt Leinart is the most underrated QB in the entire NFL right now. It amuses me that people actually believe Cassel is better than Leinart...must be the same idiots that were pimping Vince Young.

He seems to be missing dedication to the game and the ability to gain the confidence of his coaches and teammates - that's more important than any tool in my book.He had some moments early in his career, but they dwindled last year. By all accounts, he was the Arizona starting QB this year unless he imploded in training camp/preseason. He did. Warner didn't beat him as much as Leinart beat himself. You are playing revisionist historian by saying he was beaten out by MVP candidate Warner. It looked like Leinart was still going to be the starter until he laid one of the biggest eggs of the preseason. Arizona really wanted Leinart to be the starter this year, it was only after he played so badly that he gave them no choice but to bench him that Warner was named the starter.When the final story on Leinart and VY is written they will have made a lot of us look bad, not because they lacked the physical ability to hang in the NFL, but because they lacked the mental toughness, leadership, and willingness to dedicate themselves completely to the game.

Also, I cannot see the Cardinals letting Warner walk going with Leinart as their unquestioned starter again. How Arizona handles Warner will speak volumes on how they feel about the party boy.

 

[5x champ]

And he still couldn't succeed because he doesn't have the physical tools within him.

A) I don't know what this means, "physical tools within him"...what are you taking about?B) How did he not succeed? Because he got beat out by an MVP candidate?? Okay.

Arm strength has been a concern since day one and he's never proven to have even an average NFL arm during his playing time.

A) He has an above average armB) Jamarcus Russel has an awesome arm, so did Dave Klingler. Pro Bowlers Jeff Garcia and Drew Brees have "weak" or "average" arms. Arm strength is the most overrated factor by the media and NFL "experts"...it's almost to the point where it's laughable.

Another problem is his footwork. They were talking about changing his footwork because he can't even drop back from center properly, and once he started working on it he was basically tripping over himself.

"Tripping over himself" is exaggeration at its finest, but everyone knows this was a simple area of improvement for Matt and Cards coaches repeatedly have stated he's vastly improved now.

I'd consider basic coordination to be a tool the NFL is looking for in a QB.

1. Of course you don't understand the part about having the physical tools within him. You think Matt Leinart actually possess such things, so it's obvious that you have trouble with the concept as a whole. And, to say that he lost out on the starting job because Warner was an MVP candidate is typical LHUCKS horse####, because no one knew Warner was going to be an MVP contender in August / September. They wanted Leinhart to start, they gave him every chance to start and he failed and failed miserably. The fact that he did it with the surrounding cast he had at his disposal is what makes your stance even more comical. 2. Of course he has an above average arm among everyday people. I'd guess that all NFL quarterbacks do. Put him up against his peers, other NFL QBs, and he most certainly does not. He has also thrown some of the worst passes I've ever seen and I've watched just about every minute of every Bears game for the last 25 years, so that's saying a lot.3. Tripping over himself is not an exaggeration at all. It was happening in the preseason and a major reason why he didn't win the starting job.4. is such a convincing argument. I'd consider anyone who can't take a couple of steps backwards, without losing their balance, as uncoordinated. No defense = use

 

[LHUCKS]

He seems to be missing dedication to the game and the ability to gain the confidence of his coaches and teammates - that's more important than any tool in my book.

Teammates are fickle, once he's leading the team up and down the field that will change. Dedication was an issue, but it's not anymore.

He had some moments early in his career, but they dwindled last year. By all accounts, he was the Arizona starting QB this year unless he imploded in training camp/preseason. He did. Warner didn't beat him as much as Leinart beat himself. You are playing revisionist historian by saying he was beaten out by MVP candidate Warner. It looked like Leinart was still going to be the starter until he laid one of the biggest eggs of the preseason (4 for 12 with 3 INTs). Arizona really wanted Leinart to be the starter this year, it was only after he played so badly that he gave them no choice but to bench him that Warner was named the starter..

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here. Leinart showed flashes THIS YEAR in preseason. Particularly after his really bad game, he bounced back. Warner just outplayed him, because as I said, he is still capable of performing at an MVP level...that's nothing to be ashamed about if you're Matt Leinart.

When the final story on Leinart and VY is written they will have made a lot of us look bad for backing them, not because they lacked the physical ability to hang in the NFL, but because they lacked the mental toughness, leadership, and willingness to dedicate themselves completely to the game.

Again, we'll disagree here. Vince Young lacks critical attributes, such as accuracy, smarts and decision making capability. Leinart doesn't lack anything IMHO that he can't fix or hasn't fixed already. In short, you can't fix being dumb, but you can fix dedication.

 

[LHUCKS]

typical LHUCKS horse####

It's a shame you feel the need to bring down this thread. If you disagree with me, let's try to have an adult conversation.

 

[LHUCKS]

Also, I cannot see the Cardinals letting Warner walk going with Leinart as their unquestioned starter again. How Arizona handles Warner will speak volumes on how they feel about the party boy.

Why would you "let Warner walk" if he's one of the best QBs in the NFL? I called the Chargers idiots for letting go of Brees and the Packers morons for letting go of Favre. I'll say the same for the Cards if they let go of Warner. In short, how they handle Warner has nothing to do with how they feel about Leinart IMHO.

 

[bcr8f]

I think he is a bust, but it doesn't mean it's hopeless. He is still young enough where he has time to maybe become a starter in the NFL one day. However, from a fantasy perspective, I will let someone else use the roster spot waiting and hoping for that to happen.

He may be, he may be more Hollywood than main street, he may not have the work ethic necessary to be a starter. I'm waiting until Warner retires to call him a bust though. Kurt's work ethic may run off on him.

 

[LHUCKS]

I think he is a bust, but it doesn't mean it's hopeless. He is still young enough where he has time to maybe become a starter in the NFL one day. However, from a fantasy perspective, I will let someone else use the roster spot waiting and hoping for that to happen.

He may be, he may be more Hollywood than main street, he may not have the work ethic necessary to be a starter. I'm waiting until Warner retires to call him a bust though. Kurt's work ethic may run off on him.

Additionally, a lot of players need to mature before they can succeed in the NFL...Matt is one of those guys. Everything had come easy for him until the NFL...sometimes you need to take a step back, before you take two steps forward.

 

[massraider]

Weren't we told he was the most pro-ready QB in years?

Then the footwork talk started, preparation, blah blah blah.

The guy is only going to get fatter and slower, and that arm ain't getting any stronger. He may not wind up being a bust, but Leinart fans need to think more along the lines of game manager/20 passes a game/don't make mistakes as opposed to 300 yard passing games. Really, what's the ceiling for this guy?

 

[5x champ]

typical LHUCKS horse####

It's a shame you feel the need to bring down this thread. If you disagree with me, let's try to have an adult conversation.

Adults swear from time to time. Sorry if the truth hurts.

 

[LHUCKS]

Really, what's the ceiling for this guy?

I've said many times I see a lot of Tom Brady in him...obviously not the work ethic side, but the smarts, accuracy and poise are all there. He's more physically gifted than Brady too.In short, his ceiling is as high as any QB in the NFL.

 

[5x champ]

I think he is a bust, but it doesn't mean it's hopeless. He is still young enough where he has time to maybe become a starter in the NFL one day. However, from a fantasy perspective, I will let someone else use the roster spot waiting and hoping for that to happen.

He may be, he may be more Hollywood than main street, he may not have the work ethic necessary to be a starter. I'm waiting until Warner retires to call him a bust though. Kurt's work ethic may run off on him.

Additionally, a lot of players need to mature before they can succeed in the NFL...Matt is one of those guys. Everything had come easy for him until the NFL...sometimes you need to take a step back, before you take two steps forward.

He better not take too many steps back, it's obviously not his strong suit.

 

[LHUCKS]

typical LHUCKS horse####

It's a shame you feel the need to bring down this thread. If you disagree with me, let's try to have an adult conversation.

Adults swear from time to time. Sorry if the truth hurts.

Let's not be coy here...ace.You and I both know we're talking about the tone of your post...this isn't the first time either...you i-stalk me in the FFA too. I don't really care, but this stuff doesn't fly in the shark pool.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Really, what's the ceiling for this guy?

ethic side, but the sI've said many times I see a lot of Tom Brady in him...obviously not the work marts, accuracy and poise are all there. He's more physically gifted than Brady too.In short, his ceiling is as high as any QB in the NFL.

 

[bcr8f]

I think he is a bust, but it doesn't mean it's hopeless. He is still young enough where he has time to maybe become a starter in the NFL one day. However, from a fantasy perspective, I will let someone else use the roster spot waiting and hoping for that to happen.

He may be, he may be more Hollywood than main street, he may not have the work ethic necessary to be a starter. I'm waiting until Warner retires to call him a bust though. Kurt's work ethic may run off on him.

Additionally, a lot of players need to mature before they can succeed in the NFL...Matt is one of those guys. Everything had come easy for him until the NFL...sometimes you need to take a step back, before you take two steps forward.

Time will tell. Aaron Rodgers and Romo sat for 3 years before they got their chance. It is possible he will learn. I'm not writing him off yet.