Is it too soon to go after the #1 Pick next yr (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.

I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team...

Is it too early for this way of thinking?

 

[FavreCo]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Never too early. I traded Porter 1 week into 2005 (right after his 2004 9 TD year) for a guy's 2007 1st round pick ( I was targeting Calvin Johnson). I got him with that pick.

 

[stevegamer]

Lots of those teams may realize already that wthey are done for the year, and don't want to part with a 1st for players which just make them respectable.

I think the move is to aim for the 1-2 teams who lucked into a win. They are much more likely to feel that they are in the hunt.

 

[Gamma1210]

I have some trades propsed for 2008 1st rounders. If they are accepted I will let you know.

 

[Sinn Fein]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

 

[moderated]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

It makes no sense for an already marginal team who started out 0-3 to sacrifice their future for the longshot chance of sneaking into the playoffs.The nice thing about dynasties is that if you do have a bad season you get a shot to get a high rookie pick.

 

[JTM]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

10-team, 3-keeper league: I've gone 0-3 with Bulger, Fitz, Evans, Maroney, T. Jones and will look to unload at some point for picks in next year's draft if these guys send me to 5 losses in the next two weeks. I am not, however, looking to better my team for this year by giving up my top pick in next year's draft. Instead I will be waiting for late in the year when these guys are producing and some team in the hunt needs a solid WR/RB to make a push in the playoffs...then I will strike like a ninja and end up with 5 or 6 picks in the first three rounds next year. Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

 

[NoProblem]

On draft day I traded Lendale White and my 07 first round pick (nubmer 8 overall) to a team for their 2008 first round pick (which should be #1 or #2).

 

[moderated]

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

 

[corpcow]

Lots of those teams may realize already that wthey are done for the year, and don't want to part with a 1st for players which just make them respectable.I think the move is to aim for the 1-2 teams who lucked into a win. They are much more likely to feel that they are in the hunt.

Exactly. In one league I'm 0-4 (we did a week 3 doubleheader). My team isn't terrible, but my QB situation is a disaster (Huard, Croyle, and Russell). I have two first rounders next year and two second rounders, so people have been trying to offer me marginal upgrades for those picks. It just doesn't make sense - if you're a bad team, you need top picks to improve and compete. Teams that were awful last year and got, say, Peterson and Willis with their first two picks are probably competitive this year and have a core in place for years. That's more valuable than getting a guy who might help me this year based on situation but isn't a long term answer.That said, no it's not too early - better to target now than when the pick is fixed and has a more concrete value. As someone else said, too, might be better to target the teams that are not actually 0-3, but feel like their competitive. If you look at those teams, in many cases they're actually worse than the 0-3 teams who might have just been unlucky, and they don't feel like the pick is worth as much and feel like they have a shot. Looking around one league, there are teams that definitely have less talent than my 0-4 team and will probably end the season behind me... I just happened to have 1 awful week which led to 2 losses and 2 close losses mostly because of QB.

 

[corpcow]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

10-team, 3-keeper league: I've gone 0-3 with Bulger, Fitz, Evans, Maroney, T. Jones and will look to unload at some point for picks in next year's draft if these guys send me to 5 losses in the next two weeks. I am not, however, looking to better my team for this year by giving up my top pick in next year's draft. Instead I will be waiting for late in the year when these guys are producing and some team in the hunt needs a solid WR/RB to make a push in the playoffs...then I will strike like a ninja and end up with 5 or 6 picks in the first three rounds next year. Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

Exactly... I was going to mention this, but if I'm a bad team, I'm looking to sell my guys who are less valuable in the future than they are today for more picks... not the other way around.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

 

[KellysHeroes]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff."I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

 

[JTM]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

10-team, 3-keeper league: I've gone 0-3 with Bulger, Fitz, Evans, Maroney, T. Jones and will look to unload at some point for picks in next year's draft if these guys send me to 5 losses in the next two weeks. I am not, however, looking to better my team for this year by giving up my top pick in next year's draft. Instead I will be waiting for late in the year when these guys are producing and some team in the hunt needs a solid WR/RB to make a push in the playoffs...then I will strike like a ninja and end up with 5 or 6 picks in the first three rounds next year. Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

Exactly... I was going to mention this, but if I'm a bad team, I'm looking to sell my guys who are less valuable in the future than they are today for more picks... not the other way around.

I have to sell high if I'm planning to get quality picks in return and right now I have two problems: 1) Other teams in my league don't have crucial holes to fill yet, and 2) Who the hell wants anyone on my team right now?!?--right now they're just names with no numbers to back them.When they're producing and someone needs them, that's selling high...

 

[stevegamer]

"I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

How about: "I'm 0-3 so why should I trade you my 1st rounder next year and be 0-3 again or maybe 1-2, and still have no shot to win since you now got my pick and your own?"Seriosuly, while tryng to snag a high 1st is nice, you need to be realistic. Teams that suck are NOT going to mortgage their future for a present which still has no shot at a title.That's why you need to target the teams without 0 wins, generally.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

By the time it's obvious which teams stink, it's too late. The key is to anticipate, ideally 1+ years into the future. Now is a good time to be targeting the 2009 first rounders of teams you think will drop off.

 

[JTM]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff.

No one said anything about quitting in September, but if I have 5 losses by the middle of October there's pretty much no way in hell I'm making the playoffs so why not look to next year?!? The strategy surrounding the trades, the draft picks, the value of each, and the occasional side-wager for golf is what keeps me interested thru December. I'm not 'giving up' rather 'changing directions'--I'm replacing Montana with Young, maybe taking half a step back to take two steps forward. Finishing 7-6 and beating my head against the wall every week because my squad is under-producing is no fun...and what's even less fun than that is trying to move players that aren't producing so I can hopefully finish 7-6. In this position there's three things you can do: Nothing, sell low now, or wait and hope to sell high later. I have my strategy and you have yours--for me it's wait and sell high later...and the price is next year's picks.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team... Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff."I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

In the future, please refrain from trying to get around the profanity filter with symbols or anything else. Thanks. As for the topic, if my team is 0-3, I am definitely not giving away my first round pick for some marginal offer just so I can go from a really bad team to a slightly bad team. That pick has too much value to hand it away. I will take my lumps now before I will hand away my first round pick. That just doesn't make any sense.I am curious...what did you offer for that pick? I happen to have a really weak 0-3 team that I took over prior to this year. This team has no chance to contend this year. There is no way in the world I am going to trade my first round pick unless someone makes me an offer that is too good to pass up. The offer has to benefit me long term, or I will not do it. In reality, the pick will have it's highest value right before the draft. I am either drafting a stud, or trading the pick for some great value. To give it up now would be foolish.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff."I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

Nobody said anything about quitting. But, I would not be interested in taking a bad team and making it mediocre, if it was not also building toward a championship next year.Basically there are three scenarios for a team being 0-3:1. Bad team - not enough talent to compete. This team has no business trading a potential top pick in next year's draft unless they are getting the equivalent of 1st round talent now. Even then, I would expect more value now, because I have to waste a protection slot on the player next year. I probably would not trade that pick now for anything less than a top-10 RB - who is likely to be a top-10 next year. This team would have no benefit in making marginal changes just to get a couple more wins this season.2. Good team - players underperforming. If the owner is smart, he holds tight and waits for his players to start playing better. This team still has a shot this year, but cannot overreact to the slow start. It would not make sense for this team to trade for mediocre talent - presumably it has more talented players already on its roster. If this team had a specific weakness (i.e. 1 player would make the difference), I would trade a 1st round pick for a top-tier player at my weakness.3. Good team - bad luck (playing against hot teams) This team just happened to run into the hot players each week. It is still scoring enough to win against most teams. Again, this team just needs to hold tight, and it will win as the schedule evens out over the course of the season. This team has no apparent weakness, and trades will not help the bad luck. A smart owner should be very reluctant to sell next year's draft picks in each of the above scenarios, unless you are getting a top-tier player who is likely to hold his value next season.

 

[MOAT]

I am curious...what did you offer for that pick?

There is the key question. If you want my #1 pick (potentially #1 overall) what are you offering? The ideal offer would be someone that could be a stud next year but might not produce much more this year. You'd have to gamble that that "stud" wouldn't rebound. Or, if they are a sucker, you need to give them several studs this year to give them a team that could make a run at the title.The bottom line is you need to promise them a shot at the title either this year or next.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Agreed. Gotta offer someone of substance.

I'm in a 3 player/keep league and have toyed with the idea of trading LT2 (have Gore as well) at the end of the season for the #1 pick (McFadden, hopefully). At this stage, I need him to be a bit more productive or no-one will be listening to me.

 

[-OZ-]

A smart owner should be very reluctant to sell next year's draft picks in each of the above scenarios, unless you are getting a top-tier player who is likely to hold his value next season.

Agreed, and the owner acquiring the pick has to realize that he's helping the bad team get better, thus lowering the chances of the pick being #1 overall. Let's say the average team scores 100 pts per week in your league - good teams score 120, fairly bad teams score 80. One team has been scoring 70, getting beat by a minimum of 10 points each week. Are you going to trade him a player who will increase his weekly score by 40 (thus making the trade worthwhile for him) or even 15 (thus lowering the pick's value)?

Usually, the only time you should be able to get a top pick from a smart owner is if you have good players on IR, or maybe players like Michael Turner.

Now, if you're sitting on a team with Bulger, LT, and Lee Evans, losing by 20 each week, you trade your 1st if someone thinks they're getting a top pick. If a team is winning due to great luck, you trade for their 1st. But this is rare from what I've seen.

I usually try to acquire poor teams 1sts before the season.

 

[corpcow]

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff."I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

Of course not. It doesn't mean we "give up", but it also means that if we're being realistic and know we're not built for a deep playoff run and already have the disadvantage of an 0-3 record, we're not going sell our future to make us marginally better today.Winning dynasty teams are built differently than winning redraft/keeper leagues.

 

[moderated]

List the deal you were offering Kellysheroes.

I have a feeling they were horrible offers anyway. Let's hear them.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff."I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

You need to relax, dude.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept . Thats just awful; and your part of the staff.

"I'm 0 - 3; might as well just pack it in and plan for next season"; That disgusts me. Are you going to put in crappy line ups too?

Of course not. It doesn't mean we "give up", but it also means that if we're being realistic and know we're not built for a deep playoff run and already have the disadvantage of an 0-3 record, we're not going sell our future to make us marginally better today.Winning dynasty teams are built differently than winning redraft/keeper leagues.

I love how you guys are just quoting that part of the Post and not all of it..... and I didn't send too many offers... I sent a message to one manager inquiring about their pick... they responded with "Never" so i wanted to hear from other 0 - 3 teams.QUOTE(JTM @ Sep 27 2007, 04:03 PM)

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

QUOTE(Sinn Fein @ Sep 27 2007, 04:41 PM)

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.

In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

so its Sept... your 0 - 3; your not interested in making a strong move and winning some games; you just want to stay winless and pick 1st next yr? I'm not saying Sell you pick low, by all means; Sell High if you can get a quality player in their Prime.

Why would you want a mid-tier team... because a mid-tier team can win games and get into the playoffs... and once your in; anything can happen. Honestly; in most leagues 50% or more of the league gets in... and sometimes you don't even have to be .500 to be the final seed.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1

I give up

Reggie Williams WR, JAC

Heath Miller TE, PIT

2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.

2008 Draft, Rnd 1

for

Bo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)

Calvin Johnson WR, DET

2008 Draft, Rnd 1

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1 I give upReggie Williams WR, JAC Heath Miller TE, PIT 2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.2008 Draft, Rnd 1forBo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)Calvin Johnson WR, DET 2008 Draft, Rnd 1

That is a ridiculously weak offer. No wonder the other owner didn't take it.

 

[corpcow]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1 I give upReggie Williams WR, JAC Heath Miller TE, PIT 2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.2008 Draft, Rnd 1forBo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)Calvin Johnson WR, DET 2008 Draft, Rnd 1

That is a ridiculously weak offer. No wonder the other owner didn't take it.

Seriously... Kellys, are you kidding?Reggie Williams + a 1st wouldn't be enough to get most owners to give up Calvin Johnson. To ask for his 1st as well?I think you're seriously underestimating CJ2's value or overestimating Reggie's value.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1

I give up

Reggie Williams WR, JAC

Heath Miller TE, PIT

2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.

2008 Draft, Rnd 1 (1.2 as of now)

for

Bo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)

Calvin Johnson WR, DET

2008 Draft, Rnd 1 (1.12 as of now)

That is a ridiculously weak offer. No wonder the other owner didn't take it.

Seriously... Kellys, are you kidding?Reggie Williams + a 1st wouldn't be enough to get most owners to give up Calvin Johnson. To ask for his 1st as well?

I think you're seriously underestimating CJ2's value or overestimating Reggie's value.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

If your Team was on the bottom; what would it cost to get your 2008 1st.... I been making offers hoping that these owners would take them and better their teams... But Nope; they just want to sit there and rot.

I'm not going nutz either with my offers; those teams can easily turn it around and become a mid-tier Team...

Is it too early for this way of thinking?

Why would I want to be a "mid-tier team" this year, and throw away my 1st round pick next year. That just means I won't get any better next season - assuming a dynasty league - and I'll be stuck in a rut. No thanks.

In my view there are only two acceptable strategies - win this year or win next year. If you do not make an offer that helps me accomplish either of those goals, I am not interested.

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

Then why the F@CK do you guys even play the game if your going to give up in Sept

That stuff usually does fly here, son.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1 I give upReggie Williams WR, JAC Heath Miller TE, PIT 2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.2008 Draft, Rnd 1forBo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)Calvin Johnson WR, DET 2008 Draft, Rnd 1

That is a ridiculously weak offer. No wonder the other owner didn't take it.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Horrible offer. Would turn down CJ for Miller/Williams/1st.

 

[corpcow]

I give up

Reggie Williams WR, JAC

Heath Miller TE, PIT

2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.

2008 Draft, Rnd 1 (1.2 as of now)

for

Bo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)

Calvin Johnson WR, DET

2008 Draft, Rnd 1 (1.12 as of now)

That is a ridiculously weak offer. No wonder the other owner didn't take it.

Seriously... Kellys, are you kidding? Reggie Williams + a 1st wouldn't be enough to get most owners to give up Calvin Johnson. To ask for his 1st as well? I think you're seriously underestimating CJ2's value or overestimating Reggie's value.

Right - we understand that your team isn't as good as his - but what the pick is "as of now" is irrelevant when you're talking about 3 weeks into the season. There are a lot of people (myself included, probably) who probably would not give up CJ for Reggie Williams/Miller/1.02 next year depending on what their teams look like, and that's if it was guaranteed to be 1.02. But 1.02 at this stage of the season does not carry the same value as what it would be in week 12 or next offseason, because the value right now accounts for the risk that you improve and the pick is worth less. This is especially true if you are getting a player like CJ2 who can contribute today and likely improve your team over time. Unless it's a guy on IR or someone who literally has little or no value this year (e.g., Russell maybe), this dynamic needs to be accounted for in the offer.

And even if it were guaranteed to be 1.02 today, that doesn't account for how the college season plays out, and what jrs declare for the draft (since the jrs - especially at RB - are a much stronger class than the current srs), and where those players get draft.

 

[brock]

Championship or bust...not interested in respectable finishes...

yes. if i dont win it all i want to do bad enough for a top pick.

 

[moderated]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1 I give upReggie Williams WR, JAC Heath Miller TE, PIT 2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.2008 Draft, Rnd 1forBo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)Calvin Johnson WR, DET 2008 Draft, Rnd 1

at that offer.You are giving him complete garbage besides your 1st (and your first isn't going to be as good as the other persons + you want Calvin Johnson who was the 1.2 last year?you want to give up your late 1st for what was basically the 1.2 pick and a really good future 1st.This has to be fishing.***ok i see your 1st is lower at the moment but it's still a horrible offer.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Actually... heres a little Twist to the subject... I'm the 0 - 3 team here; currently in 2nd too last. I sent out this offer to an OK Team that is 2 - 1

I give up

Reggie Williams WR, JAC

Heath Miller TE, PIT

2008 Draft, Rnd 2 (from Sicilian Reds) Team is in 1st and looks Strong.

2008 Draft, Rnd 1

for

Bo Scaife TE, TEN (his starter is V Davis)

Calvin Johnson WR, DET

2008 Draft, Rnd 1

at that offer.You are giving him complete garbage besides your 1st (and your first isn't going to be as good as the other persons + you want Calvin Johnson who was the 1.2 last year?

you want to give up your late 1st for what was basically the 1.2 pick and a really good future 1st.

This has to be fishing.

We all know that isn't likely with him.