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Is Jennings a BUST? (1 Viewer)

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i watched this game and after the first drive seeing jennings catch 2 passes and a td, i thought he was in for a good game.

BUT....

why did they never try to go back to him the rest of the game?

every pass attempt was just quick hits in the middle of the field or quick outs.

the question i ask myself is "is jennings just really over-rated?"

i have drafted him the last two years and just can't seem to count on him for anything but maybe 10 points at best in a ppr league.

just don't get him at all

 
After owning Jennings last year, I got so frustrated that I put him on my Do Not Draft list this year.

I just don't think you can depend on him for consistent production.

 
"why did they never try to go back to him the rest of the game?"

GB had almost 0 running game. The Bears could pass protect the majority of the game. Which is why Rodgers was able to run in the 4th.

"every pass attempt was just quick hits in the middle of the field or quick outs."

Think that was due to the Bears defense. GB wanted to get the ball to their WR before the Bears could double team anyone. When they weren't playing the pass, the Bears were rushing the QB. So either way GB wanted to get the ball out of the pocket asap I would think.

"the question i ask myself is "is jennings just really over-rated?"

Yes, a little bit. He doesn't have ELITE skills. His talent is just a notch below. I would actually call him a more "consistent" WR normally in that he gets you decent points in a good passing offense, but not dominating. However, he has not even shown any of that this year. I do think he has some bigger games coming up. But this might not occur until GB gets its running game into shape. I think he can not dominate a game himself. He needs a balanced offense in order to truly be successful.

 
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This is the way it was last season. Jennings vanished for games. He was drafted in the 2nd in many leagues and shouldn't have been.

Reason:

Finley. #1 option in offence. You guys should have seen it coming. Jennings is just the deep threat, that's all. Will be boom or bust like last year.

 
glong989 said:
Bears have a good defense and were coming after Rodgers in a road game. They also have no running game to speak of right now so any route that is going to take a few seconds to develop isn't working since defenses don't really have to respect the running game and can drop into coverage/rush the QB without worrying too much.

He also had Woodson, one of the best CBs in the league, defending him so to call him a bust is premature.
Woodson was covering a guy on his own team?
 
glong989 said:
Bears have a good defense and were coming after Rodgers in a road game. They also have no running game to speak of right now so any route that is going to take a few seconds to develop isn't working since defenses don't really have to respect the running game and can drop into coverage/rush the QB without worrying too much.

He also had Woodson, one of the best CBs in the league, defending him so to call him a bust is premature.
Woodson was covering a guy on his own team?
:yes:
 
The Green Bay WR situation is like the Denver situation. Rodgers spreads the ball so well, that, outside of Finley, it is going to be a crap shoot from week to week.

 
glong989 said:
Bears have a good defense and were coming after Rodgers in a road game. They also have no running game to speak of right now so any route that is going to take a few seconds to develop isn't working since defenses don't really have to respect the running game and can drop into coverage/rush the QB without worrying too much.

He also had Woodson, one of the best CBs in the league, defending him so to call him a bust is premature.
Woodson was covering a guy on his own team?
:yes:
:lmao: :rant:
 
This is the way it was last season. Jennings vanished for games. He was drafted in the 2nd in many leagues and shouldn't have been.Reason:Finley. #1 option in offence. You guys should have seen it coming. Jennings is just the deep threat, that's all. Will be boom or bust like last year.
I agree. My number 1 concern going into the draft this year was that I would be stuck late 2nd rd having to pick Jennings as the best WR still left on the board. I decided predraft that I wouldnt take the bait and tonights game is why. I had him before and the frustration is constant.He's got the tools and in my eyes is one of the best in the league, tonights drops notwithstanding, to be a top 5 wr. But he just doesn't get the targets consistently to be that guy. And Finleys emergence is not helping any. I know guys on this site like to bag on the Finley hype train but many saw this outcome months ago.When the Pack doesnt have time against a good def to let long plays develop it's gonna be Finley and Driver.
 
Jennings is Rodgers' second favorite target for sure unless it's a deep play. Sucks, I'm a Jennings owner too.
no he isnt.
yes he is. finley is the gates of this offense. dont get me wrong, jennings is a PHENOMENAL receiver, but finley is just so reliable that its difficult not to throw to him. driver gets the move-the-chains yards, and jennings gets shots down the field. packers are lucky to have all these weapons, just not gonna turn out in jennings favor fantasy-wise.i dont think id call him a bust though, simply because he is doing exactly what he did last year. wont get a lot of catches, but will have a few big games and some tds.
 
It's the hope that he'll return to his 2007/2008 form, when he outproduced Driver by a lot.

In 2009 Driver was the better value by a huge margin and it's starting off that way again this year. :wall:

 
Jennings is Rodgers' second favorite target for sure unless it's a deep play. Sucks, I'm a Jennings owner too.
no he isnt.
yes he is. finley is the gates of this offense. dont get me wrong, jennings is a PHENOMENAL receiver, but finley is just so reliable that its difficult not to throw to him. driver gets the move-the-chains yards, and jennings gets shots down the field. packers are lucky to have all these weapons, just not gonna turn out in jennings favor fantasy-wise.i dont think id call him a bust though, simply because he is doing exactly what he did last year. wont get a lot of catches, but will have a few big games and some tds.
In this offense he is a deep threat and that is it. He isn't Rodgers "second favorite target" and hasn't been for a while. I never said he was a bust from a football perspective but he will be really hit or miss from a fantasy perspective. The only two reliable people in the passing game from a fantasy perspective are Driver and Finley.Also, where in your statement do you make a case for Jennings being the "second favorite target" even though he is and has been targeted significantly less? All you said was "he is a phenomenal receiver"
 
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Jennings is Rodgers' second favorite target for sure unless it's a deep play. Sucks, I'm a Jennings owner too.
no he isnt.
yes he is. finley is the gates of this offense. dont get me wrong, jennings is a PHENOMENAL receiver, but finley is just so reliable that its difficult not to throw to him. driver gets the move-the-chains yards, and jennings gets shots down the field. packers are lucky to have all these weapons, just not gonna turn out in jennings favor fantasy-wise.i dont think id call him a bust though, simply because he is doing exactly what he did last year. wont get a lot of catches, but will have a few big games and some tds.
Maybe Basher is arguing that he's #3 behind Finley and Driver. Finley is clearly the #1.
 
I've been saying this for some time, but here goes again. Finley is option 1 in this offense. Jennings is option #2. Driver is good for a lot of short to medium range passes, and converts a lot of third downs. Jones and Nelson will each get some too and are capable receivers, although neither will be fantasy relevant.

Jennings will probably finish the year with 1100-1200 yards and 6-8 TDs. He's a very good WR on an offense that's likely to finish top 5.

The reality about Jennings in this offense is he's highly unlikely to catch more than 7 passes in any game. Typically its more like 4-6. That's a lot of pressure on those 4-6 receptions per game to score a TD consistently. Although he is the best deep threat the Packers have, and he is a quality deep threat. To me Jennings is a respectable #1 WR for fantasy. Just the latter half of the #1s.

His three year average is 67/1111/8. Good for 8th best WR over that span. I expect something similar by the end of the season.

 
Jennings problem is the same problem of saints/patriots and colts receivers. Their qbs are too smart. They don't need lean on their stars (a lo orton to marshall last year for eg) and they take what the defense gives em. So since he is their big threat teams will often 2x him, and Rogers is too smart not to throw it to who is open, regardless of what the stats read.

 
I've been saying this for some time, but here goes again. Finley is option 1 in this offense. Jennings is option #2. Driver is good for a lot of short to medium range passes, and converts a lot of third downs. Jones and Nelson will each get some too and are capable receivers, although neither will be fantasy relevant. Jennings will probably finish the year with 1100-1200 yards and 6-8 TDs. He's a very good WR on an offense that's likely to finish top 5. The reality about Jennings in this offense is he's highly unlikely to catch more than 7 passes in any game. Typically its more like 4-6. That's a lot of pressure on those 4-6 receptions per game to score a TD consistently. Although he is the best deep threat the Packers have, and he is a quality deep threat. To me Jennings is a respectable #1 WR for fantasy. Just the latter half of the #1s.His three year average is 67/1111/8. Good for 8th best WR over that span. I expect something similar by the end of the season.
add to that a solid D and a team that generally has the lead and you don't have a great recipe for targets for the deep speed WR...
 
After owning Jennings in both my leagues last year I vowed "never again". At least not with the current setup in GB. Too inconsistent for the price tag by far.

To be honest, I was shocked by the hype on Jennings this year after living through that nightmare last year. VJax became my WR1 and I traded for Steve Smith (and picked up Miles Austin) and all of that luckily enabled me to sit Jennings the second half. I never looked back at that ######.

 
"why did they never try to go back to him the rest of the game?"GB had almost 0 running game. The Bears could pass protect the majority of the game. Which is why Rodgers was able to run in the 4th."every pass attempt was just quick hits in the middle of the field or quick outs."Think that was due to the Bears defense. GB wanted to get the ball to their WR before the Bears could double team anyone. When they weren't playing the pass, the Bears were rushing the QB. So either way GB wanted to get the ball out of the pocket asap I would think."the question i ask myself is "is jennings just really over-rated?"Yes, a little bit. He doesn't have ELITE skills. His talent is just a notch below. I would actually call him a more "consistent" WR normally in that he gets you decent points in a good passing offense, but not dominating. However, he has not even shown any of that this year. I do think he has some bigger games coming up. But this might not occur until GB gets its running game into shape. I think he can not dominate a game himself. He needs a balanced offense in order to truly be successful.
I agree without good pass protection he can't get the ball downfield. I am benching Jennings for now and going with Driver/Lance Moore/Collie (or James Jones) until they get a running game or work Bulaga into the line.
It's the hope that he'll return to his 2007/2008 form, when he outproduced Driver by a lot.In 2009 Driver was the better value by a huge margin and it's starting off that way again this year. :football:
That is assuming Jennings is the problem but without time to throw deep Rodgers doesn't go there often. I would have him run crossing patterns too or sed Jones or Driver deep on occassion but they don't do that.Last night Jennings had 3rd most targets-Driver 11/Finley 9/ Jennings 6/ Jones 5.
 
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Jennings problem is the same problem of saints/patriots and colts receivers. Their qbs are too smart. They don't need lean on their stars (a lo orton to marshall last year for eg) and they take what the defense gives em. So since he is their big threat teams will often 2x him, and Rogers is too smart not to throw it to who is open, regardless of what the stats read.
:kicksrock: Dead on!See Austin Collie against Broncos with Champ Bialey covering WayneBears probablt took away Jennings deep/intermediate routes- the kept the packers recievers in front of them
 
On the scroll on ESPN they gave the stats and included the fact that Jennings had zero catches after his TD pass and ZERO targets in the 2nd half.

Kudos to them for ##### slapping McCarthy in the face for the lack of use of Jennings. 'you lost AND you failed to use your #1 WR in the 2nd half, #####'.

 
I had a few offers on the table for him last week...and I probably should have moved him. I'm going to try to open up some negotiations again this week and see if I can get something of decent value for him. I still think he's a top 15-20 WR, but hopefully someone will have him pegged a little higher.

 
Per Roto.....

After Greg Jennings had just two catches for 18 yards Monday night, his value should be near the floor. Yes, he caught an early touchdown, but was virtually non-existent after that. Combine tonight with his 3/36/0 line in Week 2 and owners are surely panicking.

Use this as an opportunity to "buy low." The Bears were playing a Tampa 2 defense that is designed to take away the exact routes that Jennings specializes in. They dared Aaron Rodgers to dump balls off underneath and on quick slants, similar to what Buffalo's quality secondary did in Week 2. Jennings' deep routes were double covered.

This kind of defensive treatment won't last. Jennings gets Detroit's I-AA secondary next week, so buy up quickly. Also note that the Packers play the Lions, Patriots and Giants in Weeks 14 through 16. Jennings will be an elite play during the fantasy playoffs.

 
In order for the deep ball to work, you need offensive line protection. Chicago's front line was pushing and stuffing the line pretty good. Notice how many times Rodgers had to run out of the pocket. The Packers were forced to use quick slants and play action passes to move the ball. Eventually when the offensive line gets better I expect alot of Rodgers to Jennings in the coming weeks, starting week 4 vs Det.

 
Per Roto.....After Greg Jennings had just two catches for 18 yards Monday night, his value should be near the floor. Yes, he caught an early touchdown, but was virtually non-existent after that. Combine tonight with his 3/36/0 line in Week 2 and owners are surely panicking. Use this as an opportunity to "buy low." The Bears were playing a Tampa 2 defense that is designed to take away the exact routes that Jennings specializes in. They dared Aaron Rodgers to dump balls off underneath and on quick slants, similar to what Buffalo's quality secondary did in Week 2. Jennings' deep routes were double covered.This kind of defensive treatment won't last. Jennings gets Detroit's I-AA secondary next week, so buy up quickly. Also note that the Packers play the Lions, Patriots and Giants in Weeks 14 through 16. Jennings will be an elite play during the fantasy playoffs.
Beat me to it!So Jennings owners relax, take a valium and dont pree the panic button just yet- ANY reciever can be shut down if the defense schemes them
 
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Maybe Rodgers can't throw left, haha. Seems like 95% of his drop backs it instantly looks right and stays right. Maybe they need to move Jennings around and get the ball to your fastest most elusive after the catch WR instead of just 5 yard slants to a 90 year old driver.

 
Per Roto.....After Greg Jennings had just two catches for 18 yards Monday night, his value should be near the floor. Yes, he caught an early touchdown, but was virtually non-existent after that. Combine tonight with his 3/36/0 line in Week 2 and owners are surely panicking. Use this as an opportunity to "buy low." The Bears were playing a Tampa 2 defense that is designed to take away the exact routes that Jennings specializes in. They dared Aaron Rodgers to dump balls off underneath and on quick slants, similar to what Buffalo's quality secondary did in Week 2. Jennings' deep routes were double covered.This kind of defensive treatment won't last. Jennings gets Detroit's I-AA secondary next week, so buy up quickly. Also note that the Packers play the Lions, Patriots and Giants in Weeks 14 through 16. Jennings will be an elite play during the fantasy playoffs.
I really like Greg Jennings the football player. I don't like Greg Jennings as a FF #1 WR. At this spot you must have a guy who will at least get you 5-70 4-50 and a TD and have some blow up games 11-125 12-150 and of course at least 6-9 TD's on the season minimum (unles you name is Wes Welker and catch 110 passes a year).Other than one great season season where are people getting the idea the Greg Jennings is a bonafide #1 FF WR? He has shown it once...last year really regressed and this year it was obvious they would spread the ball around after Finley.On the other hand you have Donald Driver...who season after season after season get's drafted in the 7th, 8th, 9th rounds on average for the last 2 seasons now again this year a tremendous value. The guy perfroms at a consistent WR2 level for a WR4 price.That is the shark move.
 
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After owning Jennings in both my leagues last year I vowed "never again". At least not with the current setup in GB. Too inconsistent for the price tag by far. To be honest, I was shocked by the hype on Jennings this year after living through that nightmare last year. VJax became my WR1 and I traded for Steve Smith (and picked up Miles Austin) and all of that luckily enabled me to sit Jennings the second half. I never looked back at that ######.
Yes but he showed up huge in the fantasy playoffs against Pittsburgh. It is like golf you could have a bad day for 17 holes but birdie number 18 and you can't wait to get back out there. Jennings is the same way, he has a ton of talent so when he goes off in a playoff game last year, that sticks in the owners mind and you think it can only get better. With that said I just traded Jennings last week, he is too hit or miss and last year I had a deep enough team to absorb his misses this year I do not so he was one of my keepers but he was def. trade bait.
 
I've never liked Jennings and decided to take him on some "Top 5" BS tip I got.....yeah.....last time I go against my gut instinct.

 
Maybe Rodgers can't throw left, haha. Seems like 95% of his drop backs it instantly looks right and stays right. Maybe they need to move Jennings around and get the ball to your fastest most elusive after the catch WR instead of just 5 yard slants to a 90 year old driver.
Driver moves pretty well for a 90 year old. The problem for Jennings last night was the Bear's scheme...they were in cover 2 all night so the deeper routes were just not open. Coupled with the fact the Packers weren't running the ball the Bears D line was just pinning their ears back. That's why Rodgers was dumping the ball off alot.
 
Maybe Rodgers can't throw left, haha. Seems like 95% of his drop backs it instantly looks right and stays right. Maybe they need to move Jennings around and get the ball to your fastest most elusive after the catch WR instead of just 5 yard slants to a 90 year old driver.
Driver moves pretty well for a 90 year old. The problem for Jennings last night was the Bear's scheme...they were in cover 2 all night so the deeper routes were just not open. Coupled with the fact the Packers weren't running the ball the Bears D line was just pinning their ears back. That's why Rodgers was dumping the ball off alot.
Yeah he is so old and out of shape...and that hit he just got up from like it was a day at the office...he showed his age there too. LOL.

People...age is so overrated at the WR poition. Have you not learned? That guy is a world class athlete. He just keeps chugging along. Of course he will hit that wall one day. But I saw no signs of that last year...at all. And it took an injury for Marvin Harrison to hit the wall. Yes a knee injury. Prior to that Marvin was chugging along. To try and predict the wall you need concrete evidence. I saw none last year with Driver. And getting dual scopes on the knees was not a red flag...it was good housekeeping and par for the course as 70% of NFL players have these procedures at some point in their career.

Donald for the $$$ baby.

 
Jennings problem is the same problem of saints/patriots and colts receivers. Their qbs are too smart. They don't need lean on their stars (a lo orton to marshall last year for eg) and they take what the defense gives em. So since he is their big threat teams will often 2x him, and Rogers is too smart not to throw it to who is open, regardless of what the stats read.
:unsure:I came in this thread to post a Marques Colston comparison. Talented, clearly the #1 WR on his offense, but it doesn't matter because his QB spreads the love.
 
This is the way it was last season. Jennings vanished for games. He was drafted in the 2nd in many leagues and shouldn't have been.Reason:Finley. #1 option in offence. You guys should have seen it coming. Jennings is just the deep threat, that's all. Will be boom or bust like last year.
I agree. My number 1 concern going into the draft this year was that I would be stuck late 2nd rd having to pick Jennings as the best WR still left on the board. I decided predraft that I wouldnt take the bait and tonights game is why. I had him before and the frustration is constant.He's got the tools and in my eyes is one of the best in the league, tonights drops notwithstanding, to be a top 5 wr. But he just doesn't get the targets consistently to be that guy. And Finleys emergence is not helping any. I know guys on this site like to bag on the Finley hype train but many saw this outcome months ago.When the Pack doesnt have time against a good def to let long plays develop it's gonna be Finley and Driver.
I remember thinking the same thing last year. At the end of the season, Jennings had accumulated all these stats and I was like "When did that happen?" I went with driver in the 9th round this year. More of a possesion guy but Rodgers looks his way alot more during the game.
 
Jennings problem is the same problem of saints/patriots and colts receivers. Their qbs are too smart. They don't need lean on their stars (a lo orton to marshall last year for eg) and they take what the defense gives em. So since he is their big threat teams will often 2x him, and Rogers is too smart not to throw it to who is open, regardless of what the stats read.
:unsure:I came in this thread to post a Marques Colston comparison. Talented, clearly the #1 WR on his offense, but it doesn't matter because his QB spreads the love.
:bag: And Colston is the bone of my frustrations thus far. He is clearly the best they have where in GB I think Jennings, Jones and Driver are all high end talent. And of course you have the greek god known as Jermichael Finley.Moore is a gutsy little player, Henderson is a nice deep threat when he catches the ball, and Meecham....he is an engima. Colston to me is far better than the rest. Yet they spread it around anyway. But you can make a case for the Packers spreading it around more than the Saints based on talent.
 
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Jennings isn't worth a start anymore IMO. People don't realize that he finished 20th last year and this year he shows no sign of bouncing back. Too many games with very few points for my liking. If you have him(like me) either sell him or use as a bye week fill in. You aren't going to get burned leaving him on the bench either, as his big weeks aren't even that big. I can't remember the last time he broke 20 pts.

 
After owning Jennings in both my leagues last year I vowed "never again". At least not with the current setup in GB. Too inconsistent for the price tag by far. To be honest, I was shocked by the hype on Jennings this year after living through that nightmare last year. VJax became my WR1 and I traded for Steve Smith (and picked up Miles Austin) and all of that luckily enabled me to sit Jennings the second half. I never looked back at that ######.
Yes but he showed up huge in the fantasy playoffs against Pittsburgh. It is like golf you could have a bad day for 17 holes but birdie number 18 and you can't wait to get back out there. Jennings is the same way, he has a ton of talent so when he goes off in a playoff game last year, that sticks in the owners mind and you think it can only get better. With that said I just traded Jennings last week, he is too hit or miss and last year I had a deep enough team to absorb his misses this year I do not so he was one of my keepers but he was def. trade bait.
This is the same thing with Felix Jones. I made that mistake this year and he's my "Jennings" of 2010. At least I didn't draft him as early and had Foster and McFadden pan out. I will simply hold that Jennings is too inconsistent to be on my fantasy teams at the draft spot he commands. It was comical to me to see where he was going in drafts...
 
On the scroll on ESPN they gave the stats and included the fact that Jennings had zero catches after his TD pass and ZERO targets in the 2nd half. Kudos to them for ##### slapping McCarthy in the face for the lack of use of Jennings. 'you lost AND you failed to use your #1 WR in the 2nd half, #####'.
don't think this was the case. Packers were moving the ball fine. just way to many penalties. It's almost amazing they almost won with 19 penalties or whatever the number ended up as.
 
when...not if....Driver goes down, Jennings production will go much higher. Driver is playing on 2 rebuilt knees....can't see him making it through the season especialy at this pace.

 
Driver has been a poor WR2 to okay WR3 the last 3 seasons for fantasy purposes. There have only been 17 instances in history where a 35 year old WR has scored at least 130 points in fantasy (used that as a cutoff as that was around where WR 24 scores on average every year.) Drop that down to 100 points (WR36 territory) and it increases the number to 30. There are only 6 instances of a WR older than 35 scoring 130 points (3 by Jerry Rice.) 15 instances of WR 36 or older scoring at least 100 points (5 by Jerry Rice!) Only 17 instances of 35 or older WR having had over 1,000 receiving. Only 5 instances of a 36 or older WR doing it (3 by Jerry Rice.)

Ignore his age at your own risk, because history points to Driver being done for all intents and purposes very soon. You can see evidence of this with his 7.2 yards per reception average through the first 3 games. Some of that may be statistical noise and how he's been used, but that's the worst WR in the league out of the 51 that have at least 10 receptions thru 3 games.

 
Driver has been a poor WR2 to okay WR3 the last 3 seasons for fantasy purposes. There have only been 17 instances in history where a 35 year old WR has scored at least 130 points in fantasy (used that as a cutoff as that was around where WR 24 scores on average every year.) Drop that down to 100 points (WR36 territory) and it increases the number to 30. There are only 6 instances of a WR older than 35 scoring 130 points (3 by Jerry Rice.) 15 instances of WR 36 or older scoring at least 100 points (5 by Jerry Rice!) Only 17 instances of 35 or older WR having had over 1,000 receiving. Only 5 instances of a 36 or older WR doing it (3 by Jerry Rice.)Ignore his age at your own risk, because history points to Driver being done for all intents and purposes very soon. You can see evidence of this with his 7.2 yards per reception average through the first 3 games. Some of that may be statistical noise and how he's been used, but that's the worst WR in the league out of the 51 that have at least 10 receptions thru 3 games.
Keep counting him out and he'll keep producing.
 

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