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So we're supposed to ignore those types of comments? It says nothing negative about his mind set as a QB and character in general?
Exactly. Did anyone stop and think that maybe in that particular play it WAS the receiver's mistake?I mean when Brady or Manning get in their receivers grill, it's shown as an example of what "field generals" they are. People seeing what they want to see. One of the biggest mysteries of this draft to me is how so many people are going out of their way to dismiss all the things we're hearing about Dez Bryant as "noise" but at the same time acting like Jimmy Clausen is a character risk. Very odd to me.
It might be overblown but we the people want as many nuggets as possible. We want to hear everything and this is part of what his job is and why we watch. I still think Clausen will be another Joe Montana ghost like every Notre Dame QB since.
He doesn't have the arm George has that's for sure.....hopefully he has a better head on his shoulders though.
Not sure which interview we're talking about, but I just listened to this Gruden / Clausen interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55o5Nax6WHc, and he not only threw the WR under the bus, but also the coaches. He said he gave the signal to the WR and he got it, but ran the wrong route anyway. Earlier in the interview he blamed the coaches for calling 4 Offsensive timeouts because they couldn't get the play into him fast enough. I guess it's the way he phrased it that bothered me.
Yes, he did say "miscommunication", but he also blamed the interception on the WR. He did both. Whether it was or wasn't he shouldn't have done that, EVER.
I don't put a lot of stock in it.It's more of a job interview than a post-game presser. If there is a time to say that your WR ran the wrong route, a job interview would be the place. A QB doesn't have to defend his pick in a post game press conference with people who won't have any real say in whether or not he gets/keeps a job. But when someone is breaking down his film in an evaluation process that might have a bearing on his draft stock, I don't have a problem with him calling a spade a spade.This is assuming that the WR did actually run the wrong route. I understand the concept that a QB shouldn't throw his WR under the bus in a press conference. But if the "uh-oh's" are because Clausen blames his WR for the pick, why would that be troublesome if his WR really did cause the pick? He should know what route the WR is supposed to run and should then know when the WR ran the wrong route. It's only an immature/prima donna/blame game issue if Clausen was at fault and is WRONGLY blaming his WR for the pick. That would concern me.
What about where he threw the coaches under the bus? Blaming them for having to call the timeouts.
If this is supposed to mimic an actual film room, with an actual coach, and he claims responsibility, wouldn't that coach say, "Cripes, he didn't even know which route that guy was supposed to run!"
I agree this comment was blown out of proportion...but Clausen did come off to me as a little less 'something' when compared to Bradford. Not sure if it was sharpness, personality, or what...but I noticed a definite difference.
He said plays were coming in late, we were doing to much, and it was loud. Obviously this is something he has to work on, but often times you will see a QB do the "roll" signal like get a play in as we are running out of time.Now 4 times and a delay of game call would be an accumlation of both is my guess, but I don't really see it as Claussen throwing his coaches under the bus.
I'm not sure what to make of all this. It could mean nothing, or it could mean a lot. I'm simply not qualified to know the difference, but as an owner of some late first rd picks, I'm certainly interested in the subject.
Really?You don't think Manning ever calls out his OL's for a missed assignment or his WR's for a wrong route in a film session or to his coaches? Never?
The fact that he partly blamed the TOs on the plays coming in late, it was the first thing out of his mouth. Only after Gruden mentioned how loud it must have been did Clausen mention that as well. When he said, "we were trying to do too much", was he blaming that on himself or the coaches? I say he was blaming that on the coaches as well because after all, they call the plays.
Big differnece in a film session that stays in house as opposed to something that will make it's way to youtube.
Fair enough. I think it's a case where if you like Clausen, you think it's nothing, and if you don't, you think it's a classic example of his leadership deficiencies. He's a very polarizing prospect.
I really don't know either way, but I amazed what a pass Bradford is getting for two shoulder injuries, playing in an offense where he was in the gun a lot, and looked to the sideline before every play, and didn't have the magical number of starts that is supposed to portend pro success.
Jason,Do you see Clausen falling into the 20s? I say if he's still on the board after 14 there's a good chance. I guess SF could take him at 17, but if he's still on the board at 18 he might not get picked until 26 or 30.
EXACTLY. I'm not going to pretend that I think Bradford will bust. Too many skilled talent evaluators have seen enough to like him for that. But as you say, I can't remember a kid with as many question marks that has been universally touted as the 1st overall pick. I would be scared to death taking Bradford 1st overall.
Maybe just leave it at the "miscommunication" statement. Who's to say the WR fully understood what he wanted, but even if he thought he did he should have left it as a miscommunication between him and the WR, especially since he knew this was a public forum.
Exactly. They show how "coachable" Tebow is on his Gruden video.
You notice they didn't show Clausen or the other QBs being coached on how to take a snap or drop back or plant his foot or handle his release. What's more likely. A 21 year old kid gains a bit of maturity, or a guy that's never had a pro-style game "works really hard and puts in the hours" and becomes a great NFL QB. It baffles me.
He's an easy guy to hate. Shows up in a limo, with a Jersey Shore blowout, flashing high school championship rings, plays for Notre Dame, and has Rick Mirer and Quinn attached to him (unfairly).I get it, and I think if the anti-Clausen crew was more honest, they'd admit their dislike has little to do with his actual game.Exactly. They show how "coachable" Tebow is on his Gruden video.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but we already know more about Manning. I can't say the same for Clausen. Hey, I'm a big Notre Dame fan, always have been since the late 60s. I had to pick a team other than Ky in football when I was young
. I really really want to take Clausen in my fantasy drafts, but I'm trying to have the blinders off and look at this objectively. Like I said earlier, I'm not qualified to know whether this is a red flag or not. Thus the reason why I want to talk about it.
I actually thought the way Gruden proceed to lecture him like he was a 10 year old was the embarrassing part of the interview.
That's what I'm saying. Gruden's mugging for the camera in all those segments. He sounds like an actor playing a coach reading from a script written by George Lucas.I actually thought the way Gruden proceed to lecture him like he was a 10 year old was the embarrassing part of the interview.
Yeah I agree with you to an extent. I'm pretty neutral on Clausen (from a football standpoint) but the unfair bashing he's gotten over things like this annoy the heck out of me. HATERS GONNA HATE
I often wonder that if Jimmy Clausen had stayed in Southern California and had attended USC or UCLA we might not be talking as much about character issues. He was the most highly sought after QB prospect in the nation and that all hype caused some bias against him that seemed to result in everything that he did or said being viewed in a bad light (although his behavior, like arriving on campus in a stretch Hummer limo certainly didn't help things). His background/personality may have been a poor fit for a traditional mid-western Irish Catholic university.
I like Gruden, but he came across completely biased with the way he was interacting with these guys. I think he probably has them ranked like this:BradfordTebowMcCoyClausenHe absolutely put Clausen in a no win situation. If I recall, Gruden asked Jimmy to break down the INT. Jimmy explained the pre-snap play, the audible and where the receiver was supposed to be. If Clausen has simply said "It was a miscommunication" Gruden would have grilled him to explain what the miscommunication was. Gruden than goes off on a monologue about how a QB needs to be the leader of the team, how calling audibles is a privilege etc.But I guess everyone would have preferred it if Clausen had just said "It was a really bad read Coach. I'm a wildly erratic thrower."I actually thought the way Gruden proceed to lecture him like he was a 10 year old was the embarrassing part of the interview.
You can use the "guru" derogatory tag on a lot of talking heads. BUTMayock is a GURU. Capital letters. No air quotes.
Claussen audibled to a fade, the WR ran the originally designed square in. Claussen threw the pass before the WR broke, and ended up throwing a pass that looked about 20 yards away from where his WR ended up.
It was nothing at all.
