Is Joe Biden inappropriate? (1 Viewer)

[NCCommish]

So what, exactly, would be assault?

Well it seems these women didn't think this was it.

 

[Arizona Ron]

The women who came forward have already said this wasn't assault but it was a violation of their personal space. They didn't want to be touched, they were touched, it wasn't invited, it felt forced and they were touched by somebody they didn't feel like they could say anything about so it made them feel powerless. So yes it's not assault it's still not good.

I'm not a Joe supporter but what do we do with this information?  It's something everyone has known for years; it's not like this was done behind close doors we've seen him do this on camera all the time.

I also agree that Joe should sit this one out, he's only going to hurt his legacy trying to run for President. 

 

[zftcg]

Well it seems these women didn't think this was it.

Why do people seem to have such a hard time grokking the idea that we should just listen to and respect the accounts of women? If a woman says she felt uncomfortable but didn't view it as assault, shouldn't your baseline assumption be that she's telling the truth?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Well it seems these women didn't think this was it.

That's not what I asked.  Many women will cover for someone for various reasons.  I'm asking legally at what point is it assault?  They admitted it was unwanted and uncomfortable.  

If someone kissed your mom, wife, or daughter on the mouth the way Biden was hitting up these ladies would you consider it assault?  Or just a violation of personal space?

 

[zftcg]

I'm not a Joe supporter but what do we do with this information?  It's something everyone has known for years; it's not like this was done behind close doors we've seen him do this on camera all the time.

I also agree that Joe should sit this one out, he's only going to hurt his legacy trying to run for President. 

We take it into account when deciding whether to support him. I don't think by itself it's disqualifying, and as I said previously, I view it more as him being out of touch than him being a sexual predator. Like you, I wasn't planning on supporting Biden regardless, but if you like everything else about him and want to continue supporting him after this, I think that's perfectly defensible.

 

[ren hoek]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1113862077842640898

 

[NCCommish]

Why do people seem to have such a hard time grokking the idea that we should just listen to and respect the accounts of women? If a woman says she felt uncomfortable but didn't view it as assault, shouldn't your baseline assumption be that she's telling the truth?

Works for me.

 

[Sinn Fein]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1113862077842640898

Grab him by the #####!!    amirite?

 

[zftcg]

That's not what I asked.  Many women will cover for someone for various reasons.  I'm asking legally at what point is it assault?  They admitted it was unwanted and uncomfortable.  

If someone kissed your mom, wife, or daughter on the mouth the way Biden was hitting up these ladies would you consider it assault?  Or just a violation of personal space?

I mean, in one sense it matters because if the woman doesn't consider it assault and refuses to press charges, then legally speaking it's not. Also in this case it matters because there were only two people present and Biden isn't going into details, so Flores' account is the only one we have. If she says it wasn't assault, on what grounds are we contradicting her?

But if you're asking for my (non-lawyer) opinion on what constitutes assault, I'd say there needs to be a degree of violence, sexual or otherwise, related to the touching. Kissing on the mouth in a context where you would have no reason to believe it would be welcome (and I suppose it would matter if it were a deep kiss vs. a peck), groping the body, grabbing the person roughly, hitting, kicking, shoving hard, pulling hair, etc. In all of the accounts we've heard about Biden, I do not recall any where there was even a suggestion of violence.

But I've never thought this through, and if I'm being totally honest, I'd probably rely more on the "Potter Stewart rule", after the Supreme Court justice who said of pornography, "I know it when I see it."

 

[Henry Ford]

That's not what I asked.  Many women will cover for someone for various reasons.  I'm asking legally at what point is it assault?  They admitted it was unwanted and uncomfortable.  

If someone kissed your mom, wife, or daughter on the mouth the way Biden was hitting up these ladies would you consider it assault?  Or just a violation of personal space?

Usually it has to be a harmful or offensive touching. 

It sounds like these women don't feel harmed or offended but just kind of generally creeped out.  But it's a very thin line in cases like this.