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Is Josh Morgan Hurt ? (1 Viewer)

he played, but the 49ers were really conservative in the game and the passing game just never seemed to get going for them.

 
Hey Ralph,

few things...

1. It's the preseason and although you want certain guys to do things I would not worry about morgan. Look around today because many "stars" in todays games around the NFl will likely be cut before the season starts. Really think Hamilton from NO is a stud in the making?

2. Morgan has been tearing up camp and they also have not signed Crabtree who at this point might actually skip the season. What good is he at this point? he is so far behind that Morgan and Bruce are pretty much locks to hold the positions down all year.

3. What are you expecting form Morgan? I have him projected in my mind for about 50/700/5...and that may be a little high. The Niners are going to try and run the ball, Hill is bottom 10 in the NFL, Morgan has a ceiling. He is a nice mid round pick but for where you have to take him I like Hixon and Tedd Ginn Jr a little better.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
3. What are you expecting form Morgan? I have him projected in my mind for about 50/700/5...and that may be a little high. The Niners are going to try and run the ball, Hill is bottom 10 in the NFL, Morgan has a ceiling. He is a nice mid round pick but for where you have to take him I like Hixon and Tedd Ginn Jr a little better.
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Curious about this. Last year ancient Ike Bruce put up better than those numbers. After Hill became the starter he was a top 12 fantasy QB (not real NFL, fantasy), so he proved he could put up numbers. Are you saying Hill will regress, that Morgan has no shot at putting up numbers similar to Bruce's last year (61, 835, 7 TDs), or simply that San Fran will run the ball so much that no WR will stand a chance at having a decent statline.
 
inzanitee said:
Ministry of Pain said:
3. What are you expecting form Morgan? I have him projected in my mind for about 50/700/5...and that may be a little high. The Niners are going to try and run the ball, Hill is bottom 10 in the NFL, Morgan has a ceiling. He is a nice mid round pick but for where you have to take him I like Hixon and Tedd Ginn Jr a little better.
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Curious about this. Last year ancient Ike Bruce put up better than those numbers. After Hill became the starter he was a top 12 fantasy QB (not real NFL, fantasy), so he proved he could put up numbers. Are you saying Hill will regress, that Morgan has no shot at putting up numbers similar to Bruce's last year (61, 835, 7 TDs), or simply that San Fran will run the ball so much that no WR will stand a chance at having a decent statline.
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Great questions from a fellow phinfan.Martz is gone and I believe the playbook went with him. Hill being a top12 FF Qb when he played lst year has nothing to do with what he'll be like this season, and I say that because he really is one of the bottom 10 starting QBs in terms of NFL abilitites. If you asked around the league if Shaun Hill is a bottom 10 starting NFL QB, almost across the board players and front office people would say yes. He's looked OK in preseason but nothing special. Singletary is going to try and run the football more so I think Hill will be limited in passing attempts thus less targets for the WRs. Bruce is likely to get a few targets per game as well since he has the most experience and Crabtree is not signed...and I repeat that with Crabtree missing all of camp I give him about zero chance of making a splash this season. I believe the ceiling is a little higher for guys like Hixon and Ginn which are drafted about the same area. Morgan has no track record but we have seen Ginn be the #1 in Miami and is expoected to this season, and Hixon has caught some big passes(also dropped some) in real game action. We don't know exactly what Morgan will do if asked to start every week. Put it another way, in a start 3 WR league, do you want to wheel out Morgan as your WR3 every week? I like him as a WR5 and a bye week filler for now.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
inzanitee said:
Ministry of Pain said:
3. What are you expecting form Morgan? I have him projected in my mind for about 50/700/5...and that may be a little high. The Niners are going to try and run the ball, Hill is bottom 10 in the NFL, Morgan has a ceiling. He is a nice mid round pick but for where you have to take him I like Hixon and Tedd Ginn Jr a little better.
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Curious about this. Last year ancient Ike Bruce put up better than those numbers. After Hill became the starter he was a top 12 fantasy QB (not real NFL, fantasy), so he proved he could put up numbers. Are you saying Hill will regress, that Morgan has no shot at putting up numbers similar to Bruce's last year (61, 835, 7 TDs), or simply that San Fran will run the ball so much that no WR will stand a chance at having a decent statline.
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Great questions from a fellow phinfan.Martz is gone and I believe the playbook went with him. Hill being a top12 FF Qb when he played lst year has nothing to do with what he'll be like this season, and I say that because he really is one of the bottom 10 starting QBs in terms of NFL abilitites. If you asked around the league if Shaun Hill is a bottom 10 starting NFL QB, almost across the board players and front office people would say yes. He's looked OK in preseason but nothing special. Singletary is going to try and run the football more so I think Hill will be limited in passing attempts thus less targets for the WRs. Bruce is likely to get a few targets per game as well since he has the most experience and Crabtree is not signed...and I repeat that with Crabtree missing all of camp I give him about zero chance of making a splash this season. I believe the ceiling is a little higher for guys like Hixon and Ginn which are drafted about the same area. Morgan has no track record but we have seen Ginn be the #1 in Miami and is expoected to this season, and Hixon has caught some big passes(also dropped some) in real game action. We don't know exactly what Morgan will do if asked to start every week. Put it another way, in a start 3 WR league, do you want to wheel out Morgan as your WR3 every week? I like him as a WR5 and a bye week filler for now.
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I faced almost the exact choice that MOP lays out in my non-PPR redraft league yesterday, and I selected Hixon (Ginn was drafted the pick before mine) over Morgan. Here's why I went Hixon over Morgan:Hixon plays with Eli Manning, who IMO has a much better arm than HillHixon has superior hands to Morgan, IMO.Morgan 2008: 43 targets 20 receptions 319 yards 15.9 ave per catch 3 TDs (46.5 reception percentage)Hixon 2008: 72 targets 43 receptions 596 yards 13.9 ave per catch 2TDS (59.7 reception percentage) I think the Giants will be in the red zone more than the 49ers this year, and I think that the Giants will throw the ball to their wideouts in the red zone more than the 49ers will this year. My .02.
 
Mark Wimer said:
Ministry of Pain said:
inzanitee said:
Ministry of Pain said:
3. What are you expecting form Morgan? I have him projected in my mind for about 50/700/5...and that may be a little high. The Niners are going to try and run the ball, Hill is bottom 10 in the NFL, Morgan has a ceiling. He is a nice mid round pick but for where you have to take him I like Hixon and Tedd Ginn Jr a little better.
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Curious about this. Last year ancient Ike Bruce put up better than those numbers. After Hill became the starter he was a top 12 fantasy QB (not real NFL, fantasy), so he proved he could put up numbers. Are you saying Hill will regress, that Morgan has no shot at putting up numbers similar to Bruce's last year (61, 835, 7 TDs), or simply that San Fran will run the ball so much that no WR will stand a chance at having a decent statline.
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Great questions from a fellow phinfan.Martz is gone and I believe the playbook went with him. Hill being a top12 FF Qb when he played lst year has nothing to do with what he'll be like this season, and I say that because he really is one of the bottom 10 starting QBs in terms of NFL abilitites. If you asked around the league if Shaun Hill is a bottom 10 starting NFL QB, almost across the board players and front office people would say yes. He's looked OK in preseason but nothing special. Singletary is going to try and run the football more so I think Hill will be limited in passing attempts thus less targets for the WRs. Bruce is likely to get a few targets per game as well since he has the most experience and Crabtree is not signed...and I repeat that with Crabtree missing all of camp I give him about zero chance of making a splash this season. I believe the ceiling is a little higher for guys like Hixon and Ginn which are drafted about the same area. Morgan has no track record but we have seen Ginn be the #1 in Miami and is expoected to this season, and Hixon has caught some big passes(also dropped some) in real game action. We don't know exactly what Morgan will do if asked to start every week. Put it another way, in a start 3 WR league, do you want to wheel out Morgan as your WR3 every week? I like him as a WR5 and a bye week filler for now.
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I faced almost the exact choice that MOP lays out in my non-PPR redraft league yesterday, and I selected Hixon (Ginn was drafted the pick before mine) over Morgan. Here's why I went Hixon over Morgan:Hixon plays with Eli Manning, who IMO has a much better arm than HillHixon has superior hands to Morgan, IMO.Morgan 2008: 43 targets 20 receptions 319 yards 15.9 ave per catch 3 TDs (46.5 reception percentage)Hixon 2008: 72 targets 43 receptions 596 yards 13.9 ave per catch 2TDS (59.7 reception percentage) I think the Giants will be in the red zone more than the 49ers this year, and I think that the Giants will throw the ball to their wideouts in the red zone more than the 49ers will this year. My .02.
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:goodposting: You took what I posted and lifted up the rug, nice job MW.
 
The reception % stats have always been problematic for me. I agree that Hixon's in a better offense with a better QB, but that reception % comparison doesn't usually (in terms of the way it's discussed) account for QB or o-line problems, nor does it account for differences in the types of routes run by the respective WR's. Food for thought.

 
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