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Is Kylie Jenner brilliant or simply “right place at the right time”? (1 Viewer)

bigbottom said:
Isn’t she an extremely successful model?  I would think that takes at least some degree of talent. She also appears to be quite good at branding and marketing. 
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I don’t know how good a model she is. If she was born Kylie Smith and looked and acted exactly the same, would she be a successful model? I have no idea. 

 
culdeus said:
I don't get what is so revolutionary here, she sells lipsticks.  What am I missing?  
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Forbes magazine says she’s revolutionary in terms of using social media to take celebrity branding to a whole new extreme. But it may be the social media that’s revolutionary, not her. Again, right place, right time? Not sure. 

Lillian Gish and Mary Pickford were two of the first movie stars because they were good looking and able to emote in front of a camera before others were. But that didn’t make them brilliant- by modern standards their acting styles were ridiculous. Yet they were there; hundreds of other women, some far more beautiful than Gish or Pickford were there too but Gish and Pickford has something, some quality of talent the others did not. It’s hard to define. 

 
I'd give most credit to her Mom who seems to do a lot of work behind the scenes.  And to think this was all started by a socialite seeking fame by following the Paris Hilton sex tape model.  

 
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Major said:
I'd give most credit to her Mom who seems to do a lot of work behind the scenes.  And to think this was all started by a socialite seeking fame by following the Paris Hilton sex tape model.  
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I thumbed through way too many posts to finally see this. Correct on all fronts. 

 
The whole family makes my skin crawl. The people that worship this trash need to be put in a mental institution.  Put all the Kartrashians on an island together never to be heard from again & the world would be a better place. 

 
I'd say it's a mix of a few things.  I wouldn't say she's "self-made" because being in that family has helped significantly and her mom has done tons for her.  And I wouldn't say she's a marketing "genius".

However, I'd say she's cute....she knows marketing pretty well (especially social media)....she's willing to work hard....and some luck has been mixed in.

More power to her.

 
irish eyes said:
The whole family makes my skin crawl. The people that worship this trash need to be put in a mental institution.  Put all the Kartrashians on an island together never to be heard from again & the world would be a better place. 
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I believe I am correct in saying you are pro-Republican, pro-Capitalism, pro-free market. What have these women done that is so vile other than take advantage of free markets, capitalism and wealth like any other billionaire or venture capitalist? 

 
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Bilking millennials is seriously lucrative and she’s clearly fantastic at it.

You don’t have to be a genius to have marketing savvy.

 
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Brilliant?  Probably not.

Give credit where it's due, but 'right place at the right time' seems like the obvious choice here.

 
Warrior said:
Of course they say that. What else would you expect? It doesn't make it true.
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Ok, what if it isn't true and she was just an investor and spokesperson? Why does that make people who are typically pro-capitalism despise her so much?

 
Ilov80s said:
Why does that make people who are typically pro-capitalism despise her so much?
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First off, the negativity that I’ve seen in this thread and elsewhere is not against Kylie in particular, but against the Kardashians in general. In fact I get the sense that, even though she’s a billionaire and the wealthiest one by far, she’s nowhere near the most offensive one for most people (that would probably be either Kim or the mom.) 

Second, I haven’t really noticed any political trend to those who dislike the Kardashians. Seems to me to be a pretty broad mix of liberals and conservatives (same for those who adore them.) 

 
Ilov80s said:
Ok, what if it isn't true and she was just an investor and spokesperson? Why does that make people who are typically pro-capitalism despise her so much?
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Why would being pro-capitalist mean one couldn't criticize someone who has made a lot of money? Part of healthy capitalism is discussion about whether products have the value that people think/claim that they have. Good information is critical for capitalism to work well.

 
timschochet said:
First off, the negativity that I’ve seen in this thread and elsewhere is not against Kylie in particular, but against the Kardashians in general. In fact I get the sense that, even though she’s a billionaire and the wealthiest one by far, she’s nowhere near the most offensive one for most people (that would probably be either Kim or the mom.) 

Second, I haven’t really noticed any political trend to those who dislike the Kardashians. Seems to me to be a pretty broad mix of liberals and conservatives (same for those who adore them.) 
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I didn’t say (or didn’t mean to say) being strongly pro-capitalism makes someone more or less likely to dislike the Kardashians. What I meant is I think it’s odd when a capitalist complains about her success. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Why would being pro-capitalist mean one couldn't criticize someone who has made a lot of money? Part of healthy capitalism is discussion about whether products have the value that people think/claim that they have. Good information is critical for capitalism to work well.
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That’s fine but I see some criticisms that don’t seem to really be part of a rational healthy discussion but just angry ranting. Most posters here were reasonable and it’s more something I see other places or in real conversation. 

 
Ilov80s said:
That’s fine but I see some criticisms that don’t seem to really be part of a rational healthy discussion but just angry ranting. Most posters here were reasonable and it’s more something I see other places or in real conversation. 
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That's fair. Especially since a whole lot of today's "conservatives" who claim to be pro-capitalist definitely aren't. 

I definitely think it's interesting how polarizing the Kardashians are. For all the hate they get, there are clearly a LOT of people that like them a whole lot.

 
GroveDiesel said:
That's fair. Especially since a whole lot of today's "conservatives" who claim to be pro-capitalist definitely aren't. 

I definitely think it's interesting how polarizing the Kardashians are. For all the hate they get, there are clearly a LOT of people that like them a whole lot.
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I don't hate them.  I just don't get the fuss.  It seems like a really stupid situation that isn't worth paying attention to.  I don't really see any value added to the world.....especially not to the point for them to be as successful as they are. 

 
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