Is LaDainian Tomlinson washed up? (2 Viewers)

[qimqam]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about 14 for 41 against BUF14 for 24 against ATL15 for 39 against KCCOoohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

 

[jcuadrado]

I don't get it...Sroles average under 3 YPC in the same game...like 2. 6 or something?

what am I missing?

 

[sho nuff]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about 14 for 41 against BUF14 for 24 against ATL15 for 39 against KCCOoohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

You do realize he was more injurred last year right?

 

[Chaka]

I don't get it...Sroles average under 3 YPC in the same game...like 2. 6 or something?what am I missing?

Unrealistic expectations, knee-jerk responses and a bad case of myopia.

 

[Chaka]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about 14 for 41 against BUF14 for 24 against ATL15 for 39 against KCCOoohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

You do realize he was more injurred last year right?

Be fair sho he is injured this year too.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about 14 for 41 against BUF14 for 24 against ATL15 for 39 against KCCOoohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

You do realize he was more injurred last year right?

FWIW, Tom Brady is a year older than he was last year, and he's already listed on the injury report this season (shoulder), but I still think he'll do better in 2009 than he did in 2008.I know it's a completely silly point, but yeah, guys who were more injured one year often do better if they are less injured the next year.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about 14 for 41 against BUF14 for 24 against ATL15 for 39 against KCCOoohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

And despite those three poor games, he still ran for 1,110 yards, and scored 12 total TDs. Like has been said, people expecting the LT of old and the LT numbers of old are simply not being realistic. He is not that player anymore. But he is more than capable of putting up similar numbers to last year's, if he stays relatively healthy.

 

[Klimtology]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

 

[qimqam]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about

14 for 41 against BUF

14 for 24 against ATL

15 for 39 against KCC

Ooohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.

Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

You do realize he was more injurred last year right?

FWIW, Tom Brady is a year older than he was last year, and he's already listed on the injury report this season (shoulder), but I still think he'll do better in 2009 than he did in 2008.I know it's a completely silly point, but yeah, guys who were more injured one year often do better if they are less injured the next year.

Not when their skills are declining and the injuries are becoming a trendAnd who says he is less injured? He's a RB with a sprained ankle ...That's bad.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What in the world are you talking about when you say LT was drafted late (like Sproles) due to his size?LT was drafted 5th overall.

You are right. It was brees selected in the second with the pick they got from trading down from 1 with the falcons (vick draft)IIRC (which I obviously don't) it was actually a bit of a shock that they took LT as high as they did, as his size and school (tulane) created some doubts if he would go that high. But IIRC the chargers took him, thinking they could (and did) get Brees in the second.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What in the world are you talking about when you say LT was drafted late (like Sproles) due to his size?LT was drafted 5th overall.

You are right. It was brees selected in the second with the pick they got from trading down from 1 with the falcons (vick draft)IIRC (which I obviously don't) it was actually a bit of a shock that they took LT as high as they did, as his size and school (tulane) created some doubts if he would go that high. But IIRC the chargers took him, thinking they could (and did) get Brees in the second.

Kiper rated TCU's LaDainian Tomlinson as tied for the 25th-best player in the 2001 draft, and only the third-best running back that year, behind Mississippi's Deuce McAllister and Wisconsin's Michael Bennett. Tomlinson was chosen fifth overall by San Diego; he ranks second in NFL history with 126 TDs rushing and 14th with more than 11,000 yards rushing. McAllister has run for 49 TDs and 6,096 yards; Bennett has run for 13 TDs and 3,627 yards.

 

[qimqam]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

Because it was the last game of the season against a bad run defense and a team that had nothing to play for.And by the way ... Sproles had 2 tds and averged over 8 yds per carry in that game

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

And who says he is less injured?

The guy who would know.
Previous injuries were completely debilitating, but Tomlinson wasn't that concerned with a right ankle sprained in Monday night's win over Oakland. "It's not even comparable to the other injuries," said Tomlinson, whose ankle was in a protective boot. "The toe and the groin was something that was definitely worse. When you tear something, it's something you always worry about. The toe was a whole issue in itself. I've had ankle sprains throughout my life playing football. ... The thing I'm encouraged about is that it's not something that's going to keep me out a long time." (link)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

But anyone who watched LT run, then watched Sproles run, has to realize that the writing is on the wall.

I love Sproles, but he had a horrible night running the ball against the Raiders. LT fared better. There really wasn't much blocking there for either one, though.

exactly. When the blocking breaks down, you need that extra gear to get away from the rush, get outside etc.I owned LT for years in a keeper league. Maybe my judgement is clouded by how bad I expected the raiders D Line to be. I own sproles in a keeper league now (with 8th round value next year). I wouldn't take LT straight up for him right now.

 

[rascal]

What in the world are you talking about when you say LT was drafted late (like Sproles) due to his size?LT was drafted 5th overall.

You are right. It was brees selected in the second with the pick they got from trading down from 1 with the falcons (vick draft)IIRC (which I obviously don't) it was actually a bit of a shock that they took LT as high as they did, as his size and school (tulane) created some doubts if he would go that high. But IIRC the chargers took him, thinking they could (and did) get Brees in the second.

Kiper rated TCU's LaDainian Tomlinson as tied for the 25th-best player in the 2001 draft, and only the third-best running back that year, behind Mississippi's Deuce McAllister and Wisconsin's Michael Bennett. Tomlinson was chosen fifth overall by San Diego; he ranks second in NFL history with 126 TDs rushing and 14th with more than 11,000 yards rushing. McAllister has run for 49 TDs and 6,096 yards; Bennett has run for 13 TDs and 3,627 yards.

You could fill a webster's sized dictionary with all of the incorrect evaluations of Kiper.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What in the world are you talking about when you say LT was drafted late (like Sproles) due to his size?LT was drafted 5th overall.

You are right. It was brees selected in the second with the pick they got from trading down from 1 with the falcons (vick draft)IIRC (which I obviously don't) it was actually a bit of a shock that they took LT as high as they did, as his size and school (tulane) created some doubts if he would go that high. But IIRC the chargers took him, thinking they could (and did) get Brees in the second.

A lot of people thought the Browns would take Tomlinson at #3. The Chargers were lucky he slipped past them.(The Chargers took Brees with their own second-round pick, not a pick they got from the Falcons.)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Okay let me get this straight.

LT produces 55 yards on 13 carries and Sproles produces 23 yards on 9 carries but LT is done?

Perhaps the Raiders run defense was pretty solid on Monday night.

Let's wait and see how bad the ankle is before we stick a fork in him.

Forget the stat-line. Watch the replay. The writing is already on the wall.

I watched it.Running the football LT was better.

Sproles longest run was for a whole 7 yards on 3rd and 20 on a draw.

Sproles looked great on returns and I think too many people are basing their thoughts on him on his return game not his game running the football.

Now if all the dissenting people could come to this same rational then we could quit all this Tom Foolery! Sproles looked horrible in the running game...PERIOD! LT actually made a couple decent plays but the Raiders were all over them in this game. The only thing Sproles looked good in was the return game and as a receiver in the final drive.

The screens/passing game that you mention is largely why I value sproles over LT right now. With Jackson and gates stretching the field, those dump offs to sproles will likely be there all

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Question for Maurile. If LT is out this week vs Baltimore how do you see the carries going for Sproles/Bennett etc? I see Dodds and Bloom love Sproles as a start this week. Just wondering if you agree.

It's an afternoon game, so maybe this won't work if you have to choose your starters early. But I'd check the inactive list. If Buster Davis is active, I think Sproles will be the featured runner. If Davis is inactive, I think Bennett will get as many touches as Sproles or more.Norv doesn't want Sproles to be the kick/punt returner and the featured back in the same game. That's too much for him. If Buster Davis is active, it's because they'll use him as the kick/punt returner so Sproles can get more work in the offense.If I had to guess right now, I'd say (if Tomlinson is out) that Sproles will be the kick-punt returner and split the RB load with Bennett pretty evenly.

this kind of #### is why I love this place, and Maurille especially. I mean he has won me easily 1000's of dollars over the course of my life with his Fool Proof Roulette betting System. Easily a couple hundred bucks every time I was in Vegas.

 

[Buffaloes]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

Because it was the last game of the season against a bad run defense and a team that had nothing to play for.And by the way ... Sproles had 2 tds and averged over 8 yds per carry in that game

The Denver defense was historically bad, yes. But the AFC West was on the line that game. I agree that playing Denver had almost everything to do with both those backs having such good production though.

 

[qimqam]

And who says he is less injured?

The guy who would know.
Previous injuries were completely debilitating, but Tomlinson wasn't that concerned with a right ankle sprained in Monday night's win over Oakland. "It's not even comparable to the other injuries," said Tomlinson, whose ankle was in a protective boot. "The toe and the groin was something that was definitely worse. When you tear something, it's something you always worry about. The toe was a whole issue in itself. I've had ankle sprains throughout my life playing football. ... The thing I'm encouraged about is that it's not something that's going to keep me out a long time." (link)

He didn't miss a game last year. He was pulled from a tight game last week and now he is in a boot with a chance he will not play at all this week.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

it's a 16 game season. I make it a point to never play a RB vs the Ravens unless my others are pretty much worthless. They just kill RB's. At the same time that pass rush might lead to dump offs for sproles. if Dodds os that high on him, I have to think that is what he's thinking.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

Because it was the last game of the season against a bad run defense and a team that had nothing to play for.And by the way ... Sproles had 2 tds and averged over 8 yds per carry in that game

umm, that last game of the year was against Denver, winner wins the division, loser goes home. I think they had a little something to play for

 

[Ghost Rider]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

Because it was the last game of the season against a bad run defense and a team that had nothing to play for.

Yeah, that game was only for the division title.

 

[Chaka]

What do you think is a realistic expectation for LT the rest of this season qimqam?

 

[GoldenBear]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

Because it was the last game of the season against a bad run defense and a team that had nothing to play for.

Yeah, that game was only for the division title.

 

[Knobs]

I dont think this should have been merged.

My thread was to see what deals was made for him since the monday night game.

Now i have to read through all of this and no one will come here and post what trades there getting or sending out as its a different thread about is he done instead of whats been offered for him.

I received two counters in my attempts to snag LT:I give: Ronnie Brown, Holmes, Winslow and get LT, Owen Daniels, Sproles.

Another offer: I give: Turner, Jennings, and get LT, Fitz

I'm not asking for advice on which deal to take (if I do accept), just helping you out in your attempts to figure out his value.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I received two counters in my attempts to snag LT:I give: Ronnie Brown, Holmes, Winslow and get LT, Owen Daniels, Sproles.Another offer: I give: Turner, Jennings, and get LT, FitzI'm not asking for advice on which deal to take (if I do accept), just helping you out in your attempts to figure out his value.

I know you are not asking for advice, but no way would I do the second one. I am not that high on Turner, but he should still be solid, and I am not high on the Cardinals offense as a whole this year, plus I am very high on Jennings.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I dont think this should have been merged.

My thread was to see what deals was made for him since the monday night game.

Now i have to read through all of this and no one will come here and post what trades there getting or sending out as its a different thread about is he done instead of whats been offered for him.

I received two counters in my attempts to snag LT:I give: Ronnie Brown, Holmes, Winslow and get LT, Owen Daniels, Sproles.

Another offer: I give: Turner, Jennings, and get LT, Fitz

I'm not asking for advice on which deal to take (if I do accept), just helping you out in your attempts to figure out his value.

I received an "I'm thinking about it" note on my LT-for-DeAngelo proposal.On one of my LT-for-Portis proposals, I was countered with Portis/Welker/Jaguars for LT/L.Evans/Bears. I don't really care about Jags-Bears, but I'm not willing to give up Welker for Lee Evans as part of the deal, so I'll counter back with something else.

On the other LT-for-Portis proposal, I haven't heard anything back yet.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

One of the reasons I drafted Tomlinson in the first round this year was his 3 td performance late in the season last year.If he was washed up last year then why did he have such a monster game?

I don't think rushing for 3 TD's in week 17 helped a lot of fantasy owners. He was terrible most of the season last year, by then it was too late for redemption in the eyes of the guys that drafted him 1st or 2nd overall. And now he's starting this season just like last: looks sluggish and already has an injury that everyone will use to excuse the terrible games he's going to have over the next month or two. Still a viable #2 RB in fantasy football, but I's sorry for everyone that picked him in the 1st round.

I agree. I think its a case where maybe we should think about grabbing the Oakland defense.I was extremely impressed with that defense on many levels. I looked at the way LT Ran and I saw that he ran to the hole, and saw it was plugged then bumped it outside to save the play on a regular basis. LT played well when you consider the holes were plugged more often than not. then when he found the holes he did the trademark stiff arm and was hard to bring down.LT is fine, but I'm having durability concerns. I'm keeping LT on my roster for now. No point in selling when the value is low.

I think this is a good point. The raiders D looked awesome (especially with seymour in the middle). It had the look of a top 10 like D, not a 20-25 rank D like we thought.That might have a lot to do with cutting Meangelo Hall and his money. That guy is an absolute cancer on your team and your cap. Oh and he sucks (relative to who is and what he thinks he can do)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

One of the reasons I drafted Tomlinson in the first round this year was his 3 td performance late in the season last year.If he was washed up last year then why did he have such a monster game?

I don't think rushing for 3 TD's in week 17 helped a lot of fantasy owners. He was terrible most of the season last year, by then it was too late for redemption in the eyes of the guys that drafted him 1st or 2nd overall. And now he's starting this season just like last: looks sluggish and already has an injury that everyone will use to excuse the terrible games he's going to have over the next month or two. Still a viable #2 RB in fantasy football, but I's sorry for everyone that picked him in the 1st round.

I agree. I think its a case where maybe we should think about grabbing the Oakland defense.I was extremely impressed with that defense on many levels. I looked at the way LT Ran and I saw that he ran to the hole, and saw it was plugged then bumped it outside to save the play on a regular basis. LT played well when you consider the holes were plugged more often than not. then when he found the holes he did the trademark stiff arm and was hard to bring down.LT is fine, but I'm having durability concerns. I'm keeping LT on my roster for now. No point in selling when the value is low.

He scored over 10 points. Now might be the time to move him to a guppy Chris Johnson/matt forte owner.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Question for Maurile. If LT is out this week vs Baltimore how do you see the carries going for Sproles/Bennett etc? I see Dodds and Bloom love Sproles as a start this week. Just wondering if you agree.

It's an afternoon game, so maybe this won't work if you have to choose your starters early. But I'd check the inactive list. If Buster Davis is active, I think Sproles will be the featured runner. If Davis is inactive, I think Bennett will get as many touches as Sproles or more.Norv doesn't want Sproles to be the kick/punt returner and the featured back in the same game. That's too much for him. If Buster Davis is active, it's because they'll use him as the kick/punt returner so Sproles can get more work in the offense.If I had to guess right now, I'd say (if Tomlinson is out) that Sproles will be the kick-punt returner and split the RB load with Bennett pretty evenly.

I agree with this. I would expect slightly more carries for Bennett, and more receptions for Sproles. I will add that Bennett was outstanding in the preseason, showing quickness and agility that I didn't think he had anymore. His legs have tread left due to lack of use over the years, so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him have a good day given the opportunity. Very sneaky play if LT is inactive and you're filling a hole at RB2 or flex.

ironically to my madden analogies, in all the years I have restored the roar (lions franchise) I often end up signing Michael Bennett, as he was the fastest free agent/option available (depending on the year)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I don't get it...Sroles average under 3 YPC in the same game...like 2. 6 or something?what am I missing?

the receiving.

 

[qimqam]

What do you think is a realistic expectation for LT the rest of this season qimqam?

I think he is going to be dealing with injuries for most of the season and when he is not he will be very average. In the end ... if healthy enough he will average about 3.6 have 800-900 rushing yds 8 tds and 100-200 Receiving 0-1 tds

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I hope Tomlinson doesn't play this week, so when Sproles carries the ball 17 times for 38 yards, all of the Sproles owners can make the "but he was playing the Ravens" excuse.

17 for 38 against BAL? Could be worse ... How about 14 for 41 against BUF14 for 24 against ATL15 for 39 against KCCOoohhhh ... You're wondering what those numbers are. That's 3 of LTs games last year. I drafted him last year hoping that he was not washed up ... but he was.Now he is a year older and injured ... how much better do you think it's going to get?

You do realize he was more injurred last year right?

FWIW, Tom Brady is a year older than he was last year, and he's already listed on the injury report this season (shoulder), but I still think he'll do better in 2009 than he did in 2008.

In fairness MT I think he already has.

 

[Johnny Ice]

What do you think is a realistic expectation for LT the rest of this season qimqam?

Not directed at me but I see barely over 1,000 yards and 10 TDs. He's not even a good start until Week 6 Denver.RavensDolphins@ SteelersBye Week

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Again, if Tomlinson was 'done' or 'washed up' last season then why did he have a three td game late in the year?

Other than the One line asserters, who has said LT is DONE. This is a comparative analysis of his worth as it relates to Him and Sproles competing for time and opportunity.As I said above LT is better than about half the starting backs in the league. I just don't think he is better than sproles, from the perspective of the San Diego Coach/OC (maximizing overall production on the office). And once again, I think this is largely due to the specific make up of that team. With Rivers arm, and Vjax/gates stretching the field, the D is in a ctach 22. Do you let gates Roam 15 yards deep, or do you leave the soft underbelly open (assuming you still are trying to pass rush). Since bend but dont break is better than trying to CB's tackle gates 20 yards down the seam.With LT in, you obviously cover Gates. maybe even 2x cover. With Sproles in (as the end of the raider game illustrated) that decision becomes harded due to the additional options you have out of the backfield.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

someone offered me LT for Jennings and I turned it down. Ugh how the might have fallen

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

And who says he is less injured?

The guy who would know.
Previous injuries were completely debilitating, but Tomlinson wasn't that concerned with a right ankle sprained in Monday night's win over Oakland. "It's not even comparable to the other injuries," said Tomlinson, whose ankle was in a protective boot. "The toe and the groin was something that was definitely worse. When you tear something, it's something you always worry about. The toe was a whole issue in itself. I've had ankle sprains throughout my life playing football. ... The thing I'm encouraged about is that it's not something that's going to keep me out a long time." (link)

yeah ankles can be taped etc. Toes, plantar facias etc are generally a lot worse to deal with. But if you had the luxury of sproles (and apparently a game michael bennett) why would you rush him back. As any of the "getting-older-guys" on this board can attest, one of the biggest pains in the ### of aging, is how much longer #### just lingers/takes to heal than it used to. Whether its a hangover, or a ankle sprain (I have chronically bad ankles that would routinely sprain on their own seemingly after years of basketball/ultimate ankle sprains/twists-- note YOGA/fish oil/chondrotin all help immensely) it just takes longer than it used too. I have to imagine that this is magnified on the NFL level.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im starting to think that after the Balt and Pitt games might be a time to grab him. playoff schedule looks nice

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What in the world are you talking about when you say LT was drafted late (like Sproles) due to his size?LT was drafted 5th overall.

You are right. It was brees selected in the second with the pick they got from trading down from 1 with the falcons (vick draft)IIRC (which I obviously don't) it was actually a bit of a shock that they took LT as high as they did, as his size and school (tulane) created some doubts if he would go that high. But IIRC the chargers took him, thinking they could (and did) get Brees in the second.

Kiper rated TCU's LaDainian Tomlinson as tied for the 25th-best player in the 2001 draft, and only the third-best running back that year, behind Mississippi's Deuce McAllister and Wisconsin's Michael Bennett. Tomlinson was chosen fifth overall by San Diego; he ranks second in NFL history with 126 TDs rushing and 14th with more than 11,000 yards rushing. McAllister has run for 49 TDs and 6,096 yards; Bennett has run for 13 TDs and 3,627 yards.

You could fill a webster's sized dictionary with all of the incorrect evaluations of Kiper.

eh it was the only 2001 draft preview i found in my one search google.It's really debating a tangential point that is largely irrelevant to anything "constructive" in this thread.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Im starting to think that after the Balt and Pitt games might be a time to grab him. playoff schedule looks nice

Only bad part about that is any little injury issue he has he will be tempted to rest or not finish games so he will be ready to roll in the playoffs.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I dont think this should have been merged.

My thread was to see what deals was made for him since the monday night game.

Now i have to read through all of this and no one will come here and post what trades there getting or sending out as its a different thread about is he done instead of whats been offered for him.

I received two counters in my attempts to snag LT:I give: Ronnie Brown, Holmes, Winslow and get LT, Owen Daniels, Sproles.

Another offer: I give: Turner, Jennings, and get LT, Fitz

I'm not asking for advice on which deal to take (if I do accept), just helping you out in your attempts to figure out his value.

I wouldn't take the second, but I would take the first. It really depends on your receiver depth.

 

[Gr00vus]

Im starting to think that after the Balt and Pitt games might be a time to grab him. playoff schedule looks nice

Only bad part about that is any little injury issue he has he will be tempted to rest or not finish games so he will be ready to roll in the playoffs.

After what I saw from the team Monday I think they'll be fighting for playoff position all year long and that if he can play he's going to as long as games are in question. I never expected him to get much in the way of garbage time production this year.

 

[Banger]

Im starting to think that after the Balt and Pitt games might be a time to grab him. playoff schedule looks nice

Only bad part about that is any little injury issue he has he will be tempted to rest or not finish games so he will be ready to roll in the playoffs.

After what I saw from the team Monday I think they'll be fighting for playoff position all year long and that if he can play he's going to as long as games are in question. I never expected him to get much in the way of garbage time production this year.

looks like the defense isn't going to be able to get off the field again this year.

 

[Gr00vus]

Im starting to think that after the Balt and Pitt games might be a time to grab him. playoff schedule looks nice

Only bad part about that is any little injury issue he has he will be tempted to rest or not finish games so he will be ready to roll in the playoffs.

After what I saw from the team Monday I think they'll be fighting for playoff position all year long and that if he can play he's going to as long as games are in question. I never expected him to get much in the way of garbage time production this year.

looks like the defense isn't going to be able to get off the field again this year.

No kidding - it's like last year all over again. I can't believe how bad they are at closing out on 3rd downs - and not just 3rd and shorts, ANY 3rd downs. Lack of pass rush will do that to you.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I can't believe how bad they are at closing out on 3rd downs - and not just 3rd and shorts, ANY 3rd downs.

And 4th downs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im starting to think that after the Balt and Pitt games might be a time to grab him. playoff schedule looks nice

Only bad part about that is any little injury issue he has he will be tempted to rest or not finish games so he will be ready to roll in the playoffs.

After what I saw from the team Monday I think they'll be fighting for playoff position all year long and that if he can play he's going to as long as games are in question. I never expected him to get much in the way of garbage time production this year.

looks like the defense isn't going to be able to get off the field again this year.

No kidding - it's like last year all over again. I can't believe how bad they are at closing out on 3rd downs - and not just 3rd and shorts, ANY 3rd downs. Lack of pass rush will do that to you.

merriman didnt look 100% percent at all. it's early and one game, hard to get a pass rush when all the other team does is run the ball and are not afraid to punt. This week I think Flacco and the Balt running game might have a very good week

 

[DanFouts]

merriman didnt look 100% percent at all.

it's early and one game, hard to get a pass rush when all the other team does is run the ball and are not afraid to punt.

This week I think Flacco and the Balt running game might have a very good week

I got a very bad feeling about this weekend.

Baltimore D plus Charger O line =

Baltimore rushing + play action passes =

 

[Chaka]

What do you think is a realistic expectation for LT the rest of this season qimqam?

I think he is going to be dealing with injuries for most of the season and when he is not he will be very average. In the end ... if healthy enough he will average about 3.6 have 800-900 rushing yds 8 tds and 100-200 Receiving 0-1 tds

So you think his high end production is 1100 yards and 9 TDs.And how is that different from what you perceived expectations were before the season started?

 

[Chaka]

What do you think is a realistic expectation for LT the rest of this season qimqam?

Not directed at me but I see barely over 1,000 yards and 10 TDs. He's not even a good start until Week 6 Denver.RavensDolphins@ SteelersBye Week

You're putting the Dolphins in the same category with the Ravens and Steelers?I know they did a good job on Turner but that's a huge stretch.